WAKEY WAKEY SITHLORD BABY

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TRY GETTING A RESERVATION AT DEXTER'S NOW YOU STUPID FUCKING BASTARD!

kek

pure cinema

JAKE NO!

Kylo, Did I ever tell you about your uncle LOOK. He was a good friend, and regularly considered the murder of innocents.

Go now, there are other worlds than these.

>qui gon tries to stop anakin before he murders sandpeople
>neither obiwan or yoda tries to stop luke from murdering his nephew

>Guy witnesses the atrocities of the Dark Side first hand
>Guy sees those same signs in his young apprentice, in a state that he's not sure he can reverse
>Guy has a moment of weakness that he quickly recovers from, and experiences instant consequences for

I really don't understand the problem with this whole thing. It makes perfect sense to me, and feels perfectly in character with who Luke is.

I think a lot of you forget that Luke fucks up ALL THE FUCKING TIME, even when he's a "Master" in ROTJ. He's not Space Jesus

>your father killed thousands
>YES BUT I CANT KILL HIM HE IS MY FATHER
>ON THE OTHER HAND I CAN KILL MY NEPHEW WHO DID NOTHING WRONG

kys you fucking disney shill

actually skywalker is a reference to the morning star aka lucifer

Heeeeeeeeeeeere's Luuukey!

>Point loaded gun at my nephew because he seems kind of emo
>It was just a moment of weakness lmao. Also,

>Can sense good in an extremely evil being
>But somehow can't sense evil in an as-yet GOOD being

Also, we're still missing the part where he doesn't go through with it of his own volition. He acknowledges he was weak, and immediately feels shame

He literally felt Snoke's presence inside Kylo.

>>YES BUT I CANT KILL HIM HE IS MY FATHER
Did anyone forget that Luke went berserk and tried to murder Vader after they baited him by saying they'll turn Leia instead? Luke then had a chimpout episode and cut off Vader's arm before snapping to his sense

That was the exact moment of weakness that he had when he lit his saber against Kylo

No but see Luke didn't actually kill Vader, so he knew it was wrong and that means he would never be tempted by the dark side ever again because that's how temptation works.

What's the point of character development if you're just going to throw it out the window whenever it's convenient? Why have Luke struggle with the the temptation of the dark side, reject it, and prove himself a Jedi, if the experience gained through struggle and hardship is immediately discarded the next time he runs into a potential Dark Jedi?

Why even have Luke in the fucking film at all if you don't want his character to be a natural progression of what would follow after RotJ?

You fucking dumb nigger, that was after hours where he faced the most evil thing and the galaxy, and he saw the destruction of the rebel fleet.

Here it was a comfy night where he visited the tent of his nephew.

>Why even have Luke in the fucking film at all if you don't want his character to be a natural progression of what would follow after RotJ?

It was literally exactly that, though.

Luke Skywalker's story is literally a retelling of the story of King Aurthur.
You know how that story ended? Arthur fell victim to his own notoriety, abused his power, fucked up his kingdom, and fucked off to a remote island where he spent the rest of his days studying religious texts.

Luke doing that in TLJ is far, FAR more faithful to his character than literally anything in the EU

>Here it was a comfy night where he visited the tent of his nephew
He visited his nephew to check on the dark side meter. He had a vision, was spooked by it and showed a moment of weakness

>he would never be tempted by the dark side ever again because that's how temptation works.
That's exactly how temptation works. Ask anyone who tried to stop smoking or doing a nofap month. Temptation comes again and again and again and you had to parry it multiple times

Pretty sure King Arthur died, my man.
>Hic jacet Arthurus, Rex quondam, Rexque futurus

Scenario 1: Luke is already in combat with his father, Darth Vader, a man who has murdered billions, who nobody but him has any hope for, in a situation where the Emperor manipulated the entirety of the conflict between the Empire and the Rebels for the express purpose of bringing Luke to his lowest possible point to turn him to the dark side, and Luke immediately stops after disarming Vader.

Scenario 2: Luke senses some darkness in his innocent nephew, and considers murdering him in his sleep, to the point of going into his room with weapon in hand.

Yeah, totally the same moment of weakness lmao.

>to the point of going into his room with weapon in hand.
He didn't explicitly go there to murder his nephew. He went there to check the darkside meter on his nephew, and happen to have lightsaber on his holster like any Jedi would. He was granted a horrifying Jedi vision of the future, in which he freaked out and lit his saber for a split second before just like in ROTJ realizing the error of his ways and snapping out of it.

What's so hard to understand

Aurthur died on the isle of Avalon to recover from his wounds during the battle of Camlann.

It's pretty fucking obvious that's where Luke is, metaphorically. They didn't pick a blatantly British looking island for nothing.

Your understanding only proves how shitty the movie is. Instead of dumping one scene where Luke is about to go ballistic on his nephew, a competent writer/director would have built up to that point with some additional flashbacks or something along those lines to ease the audience into it.

Underrated post

why didn't he just press the saber against him and turn it on and off?

This is how the story of King Arthur end

>Because story A parallels story B in some ways, it makes sense and is good for story A to parallel story B in others

Not sure about that logic, mate.

When people dont want to like something they wont like it even if it makes total sense.

People dont want to try to understand your point. They just want to say its wrong.

Why didn’t he force choke him

Even if we grant that Luke's mistake might be justified, it is still not in character that he becomes bitter and just self-exiled himself as a hermit to die like Yoda.

The Luke we all know would've done everything in his power to bring Kylo back, just like he did with Vader

The whole reason Kylo exists is due to Luke. He feels its better to just not be involved because the Jedi always create their own villains.

Also you gotta keep in mind that Kylo doesn't WANT to be turned. Vader knew he was a monster and wanted to turn but believed he was too far gone to ever be redeemed. Kylo has rejected every chance at redemption hes been given

>refuses to give up and redeems one of the most evil characters in stars wars
>sees darkness in his young nephew and his knee-jerk reaction is to kill him in his sleep
How does that fit Luke's character at all? Maybe if we'd been given a bit more exposition, like perhaps show Ben working with Snoke beforehand and Luke confronting him and having no choice, but we got fuckall.

IT'S CLOBBERIN' TIME!

The entire point is that Luke did something so bad he cant forgive himself. If he sees Snoke and Kylo plotting it removes any ambiguity or nuance to it

Face it, youre just mad you didn't get the Gary Stu Jedi master you imagined post-RotJ Luke to be when you were a child

The idea of introducing more nuance into Star Wars is misguided. Star Wars OT has the standing that it has because it was a fairy tale that walked the fine balance of being so simple that children can get it and yet complex enough to entertain adolescents and adults.
Does a kid understand why Luke throws the lightsabre away and why he doesn't want to be a Jedi anymore? Does he understand why he wants to kill Ben? Instead of winning him back? My guess is: not without explanation.
The Last Jedi has abandoned what has made Star Wars Star Wars. And I am glad that the fandom is splitting - I don't want to be in the same fandom with the likes of you. We are rejecting you and your ilk. You can pick up your toys and go home now.

>Luke did something so bad he cant forgive himself.
That is not the Jedi ideal. The Jedi way is to not dwell on it but to right any wrongs made as good as possible.

[Intro: Garnet]
Take a moment to think of just
Flexibility, love, and trust
Take a moment to think of just
Flexibility, love, and trust

[Verse 1: Garnet]
Here comes a thought that might alarm you
What someone said and how it harmed you
Something you did that failed to be charming
Things that you said are suddenly swarming

[Pre-Chorus: Garnet]
And, oh, you're losing sight, you're losing touch
All these little things seem to matter so much
That they confuse you
That I might lose you

[Chorus: Garnet]
Take a moment, remind yourself
To take a moment and find yourself
Take a moment and ask yourself
If this is how we fall apart
But it's not, but it's not, but it's not, but it's not, but it's not
It's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay
You've got nothing, got nothing, got nothing, got nothing to fear
I'm here, I'm here, I'm here

you living shit
did you miss the part where he's trying to redeem ben in TLJ

die in a fire

[muffled huey lewis and the news playing in the distance]

Yeah and when Luke followed the Jedi way he created another Vader. And you do know the movie makes it a point that he was wrong to leave, right? And the Luke we see on Crait is the idealized version, representing the Jedi he REALLY is?

Again, it just sounds like you wanted a boring static character who never makes mistakes

Heres how you fix it

More school time in the film. You see kylo not doing great in the classes and others are doing better than him at almost everything. He feels the weight of his name crushing him. Hes a fucking skywalker. His grandfather was the the chosen one. His uncle is the most powerful jedi of all time and thew savoir of the order. How can he be so weak?

Luke senses snoke talking to him in his dreams. Hes preying upon his weakness, telling him he knows how to make him more powerful... The methods his grandfather learned while a jedi to make him more powerful than anyone could imagine. Luke approaches him the next day and tries talking to him. Lets him know that hes felt the draw of the dark side as well and it leads no where good. That his skills will grow in time and that snoke is feeding him lies. Upon seeing a student do a really advanced move (like say mind control), something far beyond his current state, he snaps. That night, with snokes prodding, he gathers his closest friends at school murders the student who did the mind control while his friends kill the others and burn the school

Luke, devastated that not only couldnt he save his own family, his inability got plenty of innocent jedi's killed. Thats why he went into hiding and was so reluctant to help rey. As for him becoming one with the force, its the famous star wars poetry. Hes the new yoda. Yoda went into hiding after his student went to the darkside and he could never forgive himself for vaders actions, like luke with kylo. And like yoda, he became one with the force after he accepted that you cant save everyone. No matter how hard you try, sometimes people just end up bad. Its not the bad students you need to judge by, but by the good ones you help lead on the correct path, like yoda and obi did for luke, and like luke just did for rey

Now his isolation, self anger, reluctance to teach rey and his becoming one with the force makes sense and the movie is fixed.

>Yeah and when Luke followed the Jedi way he created another Vader
Go explain that a 10 year old why being a good guy and trying to raise children right creates villains.
You idiots are pretending as if "it could happen in real life, it's realistic" makes for good story-telling. You can't just tell any story in Star Wars. Star Wars is a space fairy tale that every 10 year old gets. Go ahead and explain that 10 year old why the Jedis are wrong.

>Again, it just sounds like you wanted a boring static character who never makes mistakes
Luke wasn't static in the OT. Yoda wasn't static in the OT. Han Solo wasn't static in the OT. But they were easy to understand archetypes which served a clear role in the fairy tale.
Your "nuance" and "realism" are destroying the fairy tale character of Star Wars. You can of course turn your back on what made Star Wars so popular but then don't be surprised if fans are turning their back on nuWars.

>Go explain that a 10 year old why being a good guy and trying to raise children right creates villains.
>You idiots are pretending as if "it could happen in real life, it's realistic" makes for good story-telling

You know that Luke's line of reasoning is presented as being wrong? God, its just like how you autists think the movie is advocating for "letting the past die" when its the villain who says it

This scene is the pinnacle of TLJ's nonsense. Why would Luke, the guy that was still able to find the good in his father despite the monster he became, would ever try to kill his nephew just because "he saw far more darkness than he had expected"?

Was this regular look or the bigger one?

Look how simple Luke's motivations are in the OT:
>I want to go on adventure!
>I want to become a Jedi like my father!
>I want to rescue the princess and escape the death star!
>I want to blow up the death star and save the alliance!
Look at how easily understood all of this is, even for kids. Now compare with The Last Jedi.