Kylo seemingly kills Luke

>Kylo seemingly kills Luke
>”haha it’s just an illusion, see ya later kiddo”
>he dies anyway

What was the fucking point?

It subverted your expectations though, right? That means it was good. What are you a dummy that liked Rogue One or something?
#theforceisfemale
#metoo

A subversion within a subversion.

The assumption is that he’s gonna haunt the fuck out of him and do what Anakin apparently won’t.

>implying that any of the concepts you mentioned have a single thing to do with each other

the movie is targeted and written for girls and girls like main characters dying because they like to cry in movies for some strange reason. like in titanic and logan and that movie that the characters mentioned in sleepless in seattle.

Does no one get what see you around kid was a reference to? Maybe they do. Well fuck me then.

So that Uncle Jake can die as he lived - fucking with Ben.

For le ebin twist and to make it superficially different from when Ben does the same thing in ANH, like when they made sure you knew it was salt instead of ice to show that it's superficially different from Hoth.

I thought it was so that Kylo Ren couldn't really kill Luke and Luke got to die on his own terms, frustrating Ren even more.

>What was the fucking point?

to buy time for the others to escpae
to teach ben that agression leads to the dark side

did you faggots even watch this movie or were you too afraid to leave your basement and just read alt-right reviews of it?

>to buy time for the others to escpae
We're talking about why he used an illusion if he was just gonna die anyway.
>to teach ben that agression leads to the dark side
Lmao I don't think Kylo's concerned about falling to the dark side at this point.

>to buy time for the others to escpae
he could still do that in person
>to teach ben that agression leads to the dark side
kylo worships vader, idiot, do you think he's avoiding the dark side?

He dies because there must be balance in force. Snoke died.

>good guy dies when bad guy dies
They're plagiarizing the Dark Crystal.

Kylo literally says to Rey in the first act of the film.

"You're not projecting yourself. At this distance it would kill a man"

It's not a TWIST, it's a setup and payoff for brainlets and yet you still didn't get it.

There was no point.

>Jenny likes the last Jedi
She was the chosen one

Nah. She a brony.

That makes it worse

He could have just wasted Kylo's time while the rest of the rebels get out of the caves but then he goes to waste Leia's time and dies. Like maybe not spend your energy on giving her imaginary dice and maybe not die?

SUBVERSIVE

What if I got it and just thought it was shit?

The point is not granting Kylo his reward for tearing Luke's flesh and bone into pieces while still spark a word of mouth about the return of Luke Skywalker. There would be no point in "LUKE SKYWALKER RETURNS" then he got blown up by ATAT in front of everyone eyes in splitsecond wouldn't it?

The Leia dice scene on the other hand, I concur was dumb

He could've showed up in person, but then as he alluded before, what is he supposed to do? Lit up his laser sword and twirl his way into the whole First Order fleet? Do a planetary Kamehameha like Goku?

Even Yoda was powerless in preventing the rise of the original Empire. Even in OT, Luke always had his friends, Biggs, Wedge, Red Leader, Han, and Obi Wan etc to help him take on the Empire.

He didn't die he turned into a cloak, retard.

Everything you said is wrong.
Sage.

What means did he exactly have to get there? His only choice was to force project and hope it distracted him long enough to let the rebels get the fuck away and it just happened to cost him his life due to the amount of energy he drained.

>We're talking about why he used an illusion if he was just gonna die anyway.

Explain how he would get there in time when he didn't have a spaceship.

Maybe he wanted to die??

they should put uo powerpoints in future screenings to illustrate these deep facts

have someone translate them into chinese too!!

dont let the toxic brainlets win!!!
#Me2Deep4U #MeGoPeePeeInURCoke

Tbh it would have been emotionally satisfying for Luke to actually show up to buy the rebelsistance some time. Have him stop the ATAT lasers like Kylo did with the blaster shot in ep 7. Or even have him lift and twirl all the ATATs around as if they were nothing to show that he has developed as a Jedi/Force user in the past 30 YEARS. Instead we got astral projection bullshit (which has never before been part of Star Wars lore) and a pointless death.

Kylo killing Luke woulda killed the series for me.

>he could still do that in person
why do it in person? what would the advantage of dragging his elderly ass across the galaxy be? tell me ONE reason to do it in person

>kylo is already dark side
it's not about kylo wants
luke wants to redeem him
and getting into a fight that results in one of them dying will not redeem him
it will either kill him or turn him into a crippled uber darkfag like vader

how can you idiots not understand those things
it's like you refuse to understand this movie's plot points on purpose at this point

>implying Luke wouldn't have force-pushed Kylo away as the Falcon swung around to pick him up

>implying that makes people cry
Why would they when they don't care about Luke

>implying that if Luke had physically shown up to the fight it meant that either of them had to die
There are several lightsaber fights in Star Wars where both combatants survive.

>Mark is at the perfect age to portray Luke as a Jedi Master
>we will never see Lucas's vision for the character
it hurts

Not when one side has 20 armored ATATs and Neo Armstrong Cyclone Jet Armstrong Giant cannon while the other side had one 60 years old out of practice Jedi and 10 or so remaining rebels with bunch of blasters

So basically if all the jedi were to an hero, it would auto-kill the sith? Fuck Obiwan and Yoda. Could have cyanide pilled and saved billions from the empire's opression

both surviving is arguably worse
do you understand that fighting/hurting/killing/losing your loved ones is a the fastest way to the dark side?
and that luke was already one step away, which his why he locked himself out of the force for 10 years and adopted his anti-jedi, anti-lightsaber, non-aggression stance
but nope let's throw aaaaal that shit away and have a badass lightsaber fight because that's what manbabies want

once again: did you faggots even watch this film i'm starting to have serious doubts

Uh sweetie, Lucas came up with most of the ideas for TLJ.

because he couldn't leave the island you dumb dumb, he didn't have a ship. His death was the consequence of his own mistakes, he secluded himself on the island running away from everything, he didn't follow Rey, but he realized he was wrong too late and had to use a force ghost as a last resort to help everyone.

He did have a spaceship though.

>luke was already one step away, which his why he locked himself out of the force for 10 years and adopted his anti-jedi, anti-lightsaber, non-aggression stance
You seem to be talking about Jake there, my friend.
>but nope let's throw aaaaal that shit away
Yup. Throw out the entirety of TLJ (and most of TFA). Deconstructionism/Critical Theory has no place in muh monomyth.
>and have a badass lightsaber fight
More like a scene of Luke wrecking the ATATs mirroring Yoda with the X-Wing and then denying Kylo his chance to strike out at Luke by escaping with the rest of the rebesistance on the Falcon.

When has Luke proven he can drive a spaceship?

The final prank he pulled on Ben. Uncle Jake truly was a monster.

Nigga what he drove all the way from Hoth to Dagobah and then from Dagobah to Bespin

Kinda made me realize that having R2 in this move was entirely pointless, imagine if Luke came in lazers blazing with R2D2 in the back.

You have a point. Wouldn't want Luke to become a Mary Sue by having him instantly know how to fly a spaceship that had been sitting idle for years on some place with lots of sand or saltwater which might corrode it.

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He's been on an island for 40 years, his brain probably decayed.

>why do it in person? what would the advantage of dragging his elderly ass across the galaxy be? tell me ONE reason to do it in person
hey, why should i drag my ass across the galaxy to help my friends when i can force project, resulting in certain death?
you fucking idiot.

>You seem to be talking about Jake there, my friend.
dunno who that is
>Yup. Throw out the entirety of TLJ (and most of TFA). Deconstructionism/Critical Theory has no place in muh monomyth.
nu wars is 2-3 intertwinned monomyths, dumbo
flew right past brainlets heads
>scene of luke being badass
oh and kylo would just sit there and watch him and be "denyed to strike" that would be great storytelling
also again, non-aggression stance. what part of it don't you get
luke fighting using the force = luke falling into the dark side so he won't do it and he discourages rey from doing it, too

No he didn't.

Is this a real photo or has his head been photo shopped onto a midget's body

because he would have foreseen the situation upon departure? just stop, you moron.

He explicitly did

No, that was Kathleen Kennedy's brain.

oh like when obi wan went in to "protect his friends" against anakin and ended up turning him into a miserable crippled sith and himself into a hermit

fucking brainlet piece of shit
look:
at the end of TLJ, Kylo thought he was going for a "vader vs old ben" where he would kills his old jedi master and be awesome
he was in fact walking RIGHT into a "obi-wan vs anakin" and was about to get chopped up by the superior skill of his jedi master
luke realized this, and instead pulled the "see you around kid" because a fight would have most probably resulted in either or both of them falling even further into the dark side

>nu wars is 2-3 intertwinned monomyths
Do you have a-proof of these craims? Also I was under the impression that there was only ONE monomyth, hence the name.
>luke fighting using the force = luke falling into the dark side
Obi-Wan literally tells Luke to use the force to blow up the Death Star.

Do you think Last Jedi has a point?

It's time for old wh*te men to step aside.

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>only ONE monomyth
there is but that doesn't mean only one character has to follow that road
finn, luke and rey are individually hitting each point of the monomyth, in order
>Obi-Wan literally tells Luke to use the force to blow up the Death Star
obi-wan wasn't perfect
that's why luke swore off being a jedi altogether
because he realized that the jedi were partly to blame

The point was to bypass good writing in order to be subversive. How did you not get that? It's basic, third grade level writing.

*finn, kylo and rey

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Well what about all the Jedi generals in the Clone Wars. Your assumption that fighting necessarily leads to the darkside is flawed. Sure I could grant that it usually leads to the darkside, but sometimes fighting is necessary and in alignment with the light side.

>jedi fighting in the clone wars leads to the empire
>Your assumption that fighting necessarily leads to the darkside is flawed

read that again

and yes maybe not ABSOLUTELY all fighting of any kind leads to the dark side
but lightsaber duels against your loved ones most certainly does

His plane was broke so he had to cast an illusion spell instead of drive there.

>Ahch-to is an ancient Jedi temple
>lol I went there to die

What fucking short sighted writing.
IT WAS ALL SET UP ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS TAKE THE BATON AND JOG

>but lightsaber duels against your loved ones most certainly does

What kind of dumb logic is that. By that logic Obi Wan shouldn't have confronted Anakin at the end of Ep3, because Obi Wan might turn to the dark side and join Sheev.

By that logic then Luke shouldn't have confronted Vader in Ep6, and just let Vader and the Emperor rule the galaxy while Luke exiled himself into being a pacifist.

>oh like when obi wan went in to "protect his friends" against anakin and ended up turning him into a miserable crippled sith and himself into a hermit
What makes you think that I consider anything but the OT canon?

>fucking brainlet piece of shit
No u.

>at the end of TLJ, Kylo thought he was going for a "vader vs old ben" where he would kills his old jedi master and be awesome
>he was in fact walking RIGHT into a "obi-wan vs anakin" and was about to get chopped up by the superior skill of his jedi master
>luke realized this, and instead pulled the "see you around kid" because a fight would have most probably resulted in either or both of them falling even further into the dark side
If you need to explain it that elaborately, it's already shit.

watch this:
>Luke wants to save his friends, so he must face the evil Darth Vader
Every 10 yo understands that.
>Vader can sense his presence, so Luke leaves to protect his friends.
>Luke tries to redeem his father but gets tempted by the evil Emperor
This, my friend, is Star Wars. And you know what is NOT Star Wars?

>Luke hides for some reason on an island instead of helping his friends
Nobody understands easily why.
>Luke has renoucned the Jedi ways.
Why? What is wrong with being a Jedi? The Jedi are the force for good, aren't they?

If your Star Wars it's more nuanced than this, it's shit. It's not Star Wars, except in name.

>jedi fighting in the clone wars leads to the empire
Nah it was all Sheev. The Jedi did nothing wrong, at least so far as we see in the films. Except failing to detect that Sheev was the Sith Lord, but, again, that was Sheev's doing.
>lightsaber duels against your loved ones most certainly does
But that's how Vader was redeemed.

>>Obi-Wan literally tells Luke to use the force to blow up the Death Star
>obi-wan wasn't perfect
>that's why luke swore off being a jedi altogether
>because he realized that the jedi were partly to blame
No 10 yo gets this. In fact, a lot of grown-ups don't get this decision and disagree.

And you know what? This makes it shitty Star Wars.

>Have him stop the ATAT lasers like Kylo did with the blaster shot in ep 7
>Instead we got astral projection bullshit (which has never before been part of Star Wars lore)
I don't remember anyone in canon lore stopping a blaster shot before TFA. Why is TFA allowed to introduce new powers but TLJ isn't?

Why didn't Luke project himself from the Falcon? Effect would be the same and he wouldn't kill himself.

>stopping all the lasers or making him lift and twirl the ATATs
That'd be ridiculous and violent, considering Luke's basically a pacifist at the end of his story in the OT.

Rule of cool.
>Stopping a blaster shot
Whoah this new villain must be crazy-powerful with the force, how intimidating!
>astral projection
I sleep negro meme

>Luke's basically a pacifist at the end of his story in the OT
I don't think he is. He just didn't want to (attempt) to strike down Sheev in anger because he knew/assumed it was another of Sheev's tricks.

you need to be extremely lucky to dance around with laser swords and not at least end up heavily injured or losing a limb

and yes obi wan confronting anakin was a huge mistake
if anakin wasn't a miserable crippled cyborg stuck in a suit with a dead wife, sheev would have a much harder time controlling him and the empire might never have succeeded

luke going after vader not the best idea either, as it was only vader's sudden change of heart (that luke had no idea would happen) that saved him from sheev

>What makes you think that I consider anything but the OT canon?
stopped reading why even talk about TLJ then

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>if anakin wasn't a miserable crippled cyborg stuck in a suit with a dead wife, sheev would have a much harder time controlling him
Idk man, Sheev didn't have much trouble getting him to kill all the Jedi in the Temple and the younglings for that matter.

this. force projection has created false suspense. it's cheap story-telling.
>i never really was in danger, kiddo. nothing personnel.

>it was all Sheev
of course it was but he wouldn't get anywhere without manipulating the jedi
so no jedi = no problem according to luke
i'm not saying this is necessarily right
i'm saying that's what luke was thinking
until rey proved him wrong

>But that's how Vader was redeemed.
nope that's how luke chimped out and almost slaughtered vader and took his place under sheev
throwing sheev down the ditch is what redeemed him

>if anakin wasn't a miserable crippled cyborg stuck in a suit with a dead wife, sheev would have a much harder time controlling him and the empire might never have succeeded
YOUR NEW EMPIRE would still be a thing, maybe even worse because non crippled prime Anakin would be so OP that not even Luke would be able to stop him

>stopped reading why even talk about TLJ then
Because it shits on the OT ane now I am shitting back.

point, but he needed padme to do that and for anakin to still have passion
if both anakin and padme were healthy, why would they follow sheev?
it was vader being depressed, crippled and in constant physical and emotional pain that made him not give a fuck that sheev was turning the galaxy into a dystopia with him as his right hand

>so no jedi = no problem according to luke
I am a jedi, like my father before me.
>i'm not saying this is necessarily right
Good on ya mate. The Luke we knew and loved would never turn his back on his sacred mission from Yoda of bringing back the Jedi Order. Rian Johnson and that kike JJ really ruined Star Wars.

What an awful movie.

yes it would be a thing but not under sheev plus padme would reign anakin in
OP healthy anakin was a problem for sheev, because he would eventually surpass and kill him like sith tend to do
anakin being crippled was the best thing that could happen to sheev, and most likely part of his plan

you mean you're not excited for force ghost luke?

>if both anakin and padme were healthy, why would they follow sheev?
Because Anakin has fascist sympathies as revealed in AotC when he's romancing Padme in that meadow. Anakin believes that the outer systems should be under stricter control/"then they should be made to". It's not hard to see why as he was a slave and his mother died a slave because the Republic was too ineffectual to enforce their laws against slavery.

>If you strike me down, I'll haunt you forever
>We see earlier that you can touch people using force FaceTime
Luke let Kylo kill him. Kylo did not hurt Luke's force projection, but he did hurt the real Luke. The injury transferred over the force like the dice.

LUKE WAS KILLED BY KYLO

Note that what the other user says would be realistically speaking possible in real life. But this represents adult thought. Note that the Luke and the Jedi you're talking about are from the OT, where they are fairy tale-like characters, archetpyical heroes - forces for the good. The Jedis are literally knights for the good side.

Exactly. Get your Deconstructionism/Critical Theory out of muh monomyth!

>Scenes men will never understand

>dumb fairytale user is here
After getting BTFO with logic and reason when trying to poke holes into TLJ stories, had to retort to if it's not SIMPLE good/evil then IT'S SHIT REE.

You alt righters are pathetic

I unironically am after they showed that force ghosts fucking shit up is canon, like in the EU
proof: ghost yoda whacking luke etc

yes but why FOLLOW sheev and not surpass and kill him like sith do?
plus padme would reign him in if she was still alive and his wife in the time of the empire

anakin's hypothetical empire doesn't sound nearly as bad as sheev's actually

To parallel Obi-wans death. If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.