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All Disney/Lucas mental gymnastic physics aside, did no one bring up the fact how utterly fucking retarded the idea of a "space bomber" is? Inb4 magnets and other nonsense.

Star Wars isn't science fiction. It's fantasy based on a literary genre called space opera. None of the space scenes actually obey the laws of physics or scientific fact as understood today nor do they have to nor should they be expected to. This isn't a matter of verisimilitude. It's a matter of genre conventions. It's a work of art that deliberately adheres to outdated tropes in order to draw attention to its own artifice. It's a throwback. You might as well be complaining that John Carter depicts Mars inaccurately.

It makes as much sense as the X-wings (none).

Remember when TIE Bombers assaulted the surface of the asteroid the Falcon was hiding in during Empire? The concept is not new to Star Wars, even if nerds are starting to care about it now.

Luke's character raping, humor, and poor writing are the issues with TLJ, not nitpicky space physics.

>just turn your brain off bro argument

You mean those blue laser looking bombs that looked propelled straight down?

The first 10 minutes of this movie left such a bad taste in my mouth. A literal yo mama joke and then these slow, lumbering fuckbags instead of B-Wings, with no shields on them when they're slow as fuck, getting destroyed by basic laser attacks from TIE fighters and the mere shrapnel from that hitting other Shit-Bombers and destroying them outright.

Then one little pissant payload of 80 bouncy-balls from this hunk of shit destroys a ship 40 times larger than America's largest super-destroyer, the USS Zumwault.

This totally took me right out of the movie. What a debacle.

>Tie Bombers in ESB
>Awww cool, new Tie Fighters sweet

>Rebellion bombers in TLG
>Dude this is fucking retarded

I'm not telling you to stop thinking. I'm telling you to think differently because of the story's genre.

Why did you add the name of america's largest super destroyer? Did you'd think we'd think you're cool cuz you knew the name?

I'm thinking in terms of the last 6 films and mass media push the same series had for the last 20 years, not some shitty genre guideline, but thanks for the attempt at a thought though.

>tie bomber
>just an adjusted tie fighter with an extra pod to carry it's arsenal.
>that monstrosity of a "bomber"

I thought the bombers were dumb, but they're a tradition.

it's called artistic liberty you massive autist.

Fair enough but plausibility CAN be strained. Suspension of disbelief is a thing.

>why do you know things bro, do you think you're smart or something?

>imagine if these things were in the EPIV or any of OT trilogy
>Luke's mission became bombing the vent with one of these

Here are some thoughts. there must be some kind of gravity generator on all these ships, because no one is ever floating around on them, even in the OT.

So, if their is a gravity generator in the bomber bay, when the bombs exit the gravity field, they would continue their trajectory without the gravity field.

The problem with how they showed it in the movie, was that they didn't show the force field at the bottom of the bomber like they usually do when ships fly in and out of hangers in the star wars universe.

However, the concept is still dumb. Why not just have a rail gun or something?
It seems more efficient to have a gun of some kind, rather than having the ships gravity generator randomley propel a mass of unguided orbs.

He looked it up in the middle of typing. But I agree with everything he said.

>Y-Wings and TIE Bombers have been a thing for decades
>Only now getting butthurt

How did the guy at the top of the bomber even die? I don't remember it being damaged at all, but for some reason he was just lying on the floor.

I think you mean, "B-Wing".

>instead of B wings

truly the greatest sin

>Relatively fast ship configured to deliver a heavy payload to capital ships, but limited ability to engage starfighters.

I don't see how this doesn't make sense. In fact it makes amazing sense if your opponent uses fucking huge ships all the time.

All of the other films follow the same conventions.

Nothing in Star Wars actually makes any sense. The opening crawl and the first line in the very first movie are in English. Why would another galaxy happen to have a language that sounds identical to English? You should have dropped it there.

>Relatively fast ship
wat

No the y wing was a bomber the b wing was a jack of all trades.

It's a simple design.

Why didn't the bombs magnetize back to the bomber?

Star Wars bombers are usually pretty fast. Not always so maneuverable.

And the idea that they are so fucking SLOW, presumably because of the massive weight of their payload... or something? Jesus Christ.

Why is lego so expensive?

Why not get your kid a real bomber?

I get the suspension of disbelief thing, but it's just nonsensical. It's like if their blasters were shooting sausages. Just turning your brain off doesn't work for that.

I think it's very immoral to make toys of actual war machines for children.

The better question is why not give them big missiles, or suicide droids that get into sensitive parts of the ship.

>namedropping things makes you smart

there have been space bombers before
Y-wing
B-wing
TIE bomber

But they'se were million times more maneuverable and fast

>what if... it was a bit like a B-wing... but ugly and fat?

Bravo

And yet the resistance bombers seen in TLJ were neither fast nor maneuverable.

And they weren't inexplicably slow as fuck, as if flying through molasses.

t. hippie

Danish Jews are among the most powerful of all the jews

It also educates others. I'm glad he educated us. I didnt know those facts.

This, they're realitvely fast...if you compare them with a snail or a dead cheeta

>What are magnetic fields?
The bigger the magnetic field the stronger it its, that's why a turbomagnet is better than a fridge magnet

By your logic a ball will never leave your hand when you drop it because "you're attracting it with your gravity, why would it go down to Earth?"

>Getting butthurt at someone name dropping a thing, mad at utilizing a real-world example and using real-world knowledge to support his statement
Sit down, child. Try to learn something.

Everything is slow in this movie. Thats why it takes 2.5 hours for one space battle.

You could justify space bombers with enough fuckery. Say the bombs need to be delivered at point blank because they rely on some kind of internal reaction that needs to be jump-started by a heavy machine stored on the ship, and the reaction is unstable enough that if the activated bomb travels over a certain velocity or goes too long without reaching its target, it detonates. And then they fall toward the capital ship because of magnets and other nonsense, but the bomber itself is made of lasers so it's not magnetic

If they are big and slow, why not give them shields, or heavy armor. Or at least tell them to fly in a loose formation.

>relatively fast
did you watch the same movie as me, m8?

>'member B-17s?

The ship book that specs these things says they fly in close formation so they can overlap their fields of fire. But apparently all their guns are designed to shoot below and behind them, not in front. So they're only any good at hitting something that's trailing them. Which is baffling given their speed.

Why is everything in nu-star wars so fucking ugly and unoriginal? I understand they're trying to emulate that WW2 fighter and bomber mentality but holy fuck it's like they're not even trying

Take pic related. It has a crew of 3, a pilot, a navigator and a fucking tail gunner and yet it still feels like star wars ship. It looks like the natural precursor to the x-wing and it's aesthetic as fuck. That bomber just looks fucking retarded.

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It's not really a jack of all trades, it's more of just a specialized anti-large platform.

I'll take your word for it. I have no interest in seeing the movie. A slow bomber wouldn't really work in Star Wars, particularly for a small faction. The rebels put all their eggs in the Starfighter basket for a good reason.

I thought it was really weird too, reminded me of genre fiction where they jarringly write like "he quickly ran to his car, a Mercedes-Benz C209"

That's literally just a fat xwing with extra cockpits and wings.

You know what irks me? you really want to know?
Y-wings are cheaper than OLD X-wings, and Y-wings are billtion times better than these shitty bombers, so:
Why design something so slow and bad when a starship FIFTY YEARS OLDER is better? Why?
Why equip your rebellion with a shitty ship when a FIFTY YEARS OLDER ship is cheaper than your main fighters and better than your main bombers? why?

Add this to the disarmament of the New Republic by a woman who saw at close how an disarmed Republic died (Mon Mothma) and that the FO is technically financially bankrupt but treats the Starkillerbase like pocket money

This Nuwars make even less sense than the prequels

Because my brother was in the Navy and I was in the Army so my ZOG-brain spergs out every time I see a Star Wars space battle.

"I bet that thing is 40 times bigger than a blah blah blah!"

Fuck you guys, I thought it was a good tidbit of information.

The world's slowest space pursuit was truly nailbiting.

That doesn't make sense with Star Wars ships. At all.

That looks fucking awful.

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That user is absolutely right about suspension of disbelief, and after everything that happened in Star Wars before it was never as big an asspull as someone living through the vacuum of space

They had fighter support, they didn't need their guns that badly.

Honestly, I think the movie scenes went like
>Okay, we need Resistance to run away, but have it be dramatic and make Poe's forces take losses to make him fail. And introduce the token
>They can destroy that huge SD and the losses can be from big ships filled with bombs that chain detonate and take out half of the fleet, before one of them succeeds in the last second.

>Walk into the toy aisle
>"It Ain't Me" starts playing

I'm going to answer both questions with this: they're lead by a woman which degree is Astrology, comes from a communist utopia lead by a council of mothers and where every dispute is decided by hugs. I'm not making this shit btw.

Especially when they say things like, "They're gonna run out of fuel before we do!"

It was like the OJ Simpson 30 mile an hour White Bronco "chase." It wasn't even a HIGH SPEED CHASE. It was a slow speed trot. They did a chase plot in the most boring way possible.

this. TLJ was shit but most people think so for the wrong reasons. The bombers were one of the few good things of this movie, as well as the milky milky scene.

Maybe they aren't making Y-wings any more

The Republic decided to just not have a military any more so maybe all the big arms manufacturers just stopped manufacturing arms and all that's left is shit

>8km ship with dozens of nuclear engines doesn't have a stronger magnetic field than a 10 meter one

Or maybe like this
Resistance tries to run, but SUBVERTED they can't because of Poe
Poe's single fighter attacks the dread in a suicide run and SUBVERTED he destroys the cannons
Dread is attacked by the fleet but SUBVERTED the bombers chain detonate
Dread is about to destroy the cruiser but SUBVERTED the last bomber destroys it

wow so glad i learned such a disposable google fact

This is the most retarded thing a new government could possibly ever do.

>They had fighter support, they didn't need their guns that badly.
Irrelevant. They're flying in tight enough formation that a spare piece of shrapnel is enough to destroy three bombers. If their guns aren't worthwhile because they can't even cover what's in front of them, or they don't need them because they have fighter support, then why the fuck are they flying in tight formation?

The entire scene was retarded. The entire thing could have had identical results while using an established bomber like the Y-Wing rather than these baffling new ships.

Honestly I wouldn't have a problem with "bombers" if they were fast as fuck, and were simply used to make quick runs above large battleships to unload their propelled payloads.

But they don't do that. They're slow and they fucking dropped their payloads.

lmao

>artistic

>so maybe all the big arms manufacturers just stopped manufacturing arms and all that's left is shit
T-70 X-wing wants to talk with you, it's the improved version of the T-65 (from the originals) plus A-wings still in service, so no, the rebellion clearly has manufactures, they for some reason decided to waste money on fighters and leave the bombing to space tractors.

Those bombers were dead the moment they left the hangar, even if they didn't lose them all the will never reach the hangar in time

Honestly this. OP is the same kind of fag that complains that the space battles in LOGH are 2D and the tactics are rudimentary naval tactics

And only after came the actual script about how bombers should look, how the dread explodes, etc.

never understood why that thing got s-foils

BUT WE ARE FIGHTING THE SPACE NAZIS!
WITH BOMBERS LIKE THE US!
BECAUSE WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS!

YOU STILL NOT GET IT, GOOOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYY??????????????

That's what Y-wings and B-wings supposedly did

>Those bombers were dead the moment they left the hangar, even if they didn't lose them all the will never reach the hangar in time
Which in retrospect makes Poe's actions entirely justified. The entire bomber wing was lost anyways, might as well try to take something with them.

Of course, shouldn't all these ships have hyperdrives? I'm not even sure why Poe and company needed to get back to the hanger before anyone could jump.

lmao

For the 1001th time, Internal cosistency doesn't mean realism. If you had faster and more so maneuverable bombers before why not have them now?

Same with the hyperspace ram, they had hyperdrives for 4050 (according to canon sources) and maybe even more (as luke mentions Jedi have been protecting the galaxy for thousands of generations), and you want to make me believe nobody did that before? specialy when you literally too an ENTIRE fleet with a single ship 1/3th the size of the smallest destroyer in the FO?

Realism has nothing to do with common sense, internal consistence and continuity.

Fuck outta here faggot. Completely non-sensical is completely non-sensical, no matter what retarded lore you wrap it around.

I guess it is, you just put it in a surprisingly formal way

Y-Wings are so old that they are actually Clone Wars era bombers. You know what never gets old though? Being fast enough not to get shot by a million fucking turbolasers on your attack run.

>ITT: “Hey guiz, I watch YouTube personalities as well! Am I smart now?”
The absolute state of Sup Forums.

That's why I said 50 years (20 from Clone wars to A new hope, 30 from A new hope to TFA). And yet they were faster and more maneuverable. Also they had hyperdrive

kek

Yeah when there was a massive planetoid that had gravity to attract them to it

Why didn't legolas fart and killed Sauron? I mean, is fantasy, why they have these convoluted rules, why not literally make your shit as you go? it's fantasy. That's why TLJ is so good, it doens't rely in his own previous rules, it subverts your expectations

Ate some fart inducing pudding, used up all his oxygen

>plays battlefront 2 with fighters
>”the rebels/republic are starting a bomber run, destroy those bombers!”
>thanks for the easy points game.

I'm gonna straight up murder the next faggot that uses the term "subverts your expectations"

he just didn't want to open his eyes, he just didn't

Nobody knows what LOGH is, you nerd queer.

>Can I copy your homework?
>Yeah just change it up a bit so it doesn't look obvious you copied

And T-55 is just T-44 with bigger turret