So have we reached a point of diversion so stark that audiences and critics are diametrically opposed now...

so have we reached a point of diversion so stark that audiences and critics are diametrically opposed now? Literally a good movie gets critical praise but a shit movie gets audience praise.

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>IMPLYING

Critics aren’t going to criticize Star Wars because
1). It shares their worldview/propaganda of social justice, diversity, and Marxism. They aren’t going to shit on their own progressive beliefs (see Ghostbusters).
2). Disney and Star Wars is big. If someone says something bad about Soy Wars, they could blacklisted from ever being invited to a premier showing (and for RT critics that is the death penalty) which means you won’t get an early review and will lose cred.

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or maybe, it wasn't bad and the people complaining are big babies?

movie critics are now as politicized as video game reviewers

I think you have that backwards, OP.

Good movie gets audience praise, shit movie gets critical praise. Why? Because paid shills. Literally.

the greatest showman was hated by politi-critucs because of the circus animal thing.

t. Disney Mom shilling for FREE

Where were you when you first realized critics are retards who will do absolutely nothing to help you decide whether a movie is worth seeing?

I was reading the rotten tomatoes for London is Falling and noticed how half the reviews mentioned trump.

I think reviewers and critics of most types have found themselves in the same box as news media. Nobody fucking trusts them. Nobody. They're pissing in the wind.
They might say movie 1 gets A+, and an viewer might also give that movie an A+ but that viewer has not let the review affect their opinion at all.
I think there's some newer research that shows for news media, even when left wing people are consuming left wing media they still don't really trust it, and vice versa for right wing people.

Financial incentives have eroded trust in most social institutions.

In Rome, it was devaluation of currency. I think mistrust of the organs of society will be the end of the West.

Critics have more and stronger reasons to fudge their review, audiences less so.

> McDonald's gets lambasted by almost every health and environmental organization, let alone gastronomy critics
> Still the most popular restaurant worldwide

Hmm. It's almost like crowd-pleasing != quality.

> inb4 le Jews
> inb4 le shills
> inb4 le grassroots movement! XD

Hey op what's it like being stupid to the point where you have to make troll threads to find happiness? sage nigger

>society is going to collapse because people realized biased assholes are biased
you what?

are you saying the movie that think P.T. Barnum was a SJW and not just a hotdog salesman is good?

one day little jimmy is just reading online movie reviews and the next day he's asking about the jewish question.

lol. i watch that movie one day because i needed to organize my hentai and didn't want to pay close attention to anything. it was okay. I actually got a trump feeling from the darkest hour though, i kind of felt like they were making slight allusions to trump and church hill, probably just me though.

check out this faggot jew shill thinking he can come in here and change anyone's mind about anything

We live in a scaled up version of the behavioural sink mouse colony. Google it, it's full of startling parallels.

>lose cred.
Among who? Audiences already think they're paid and don't trust them.

lol, i didn't want it to be but Star Wars fit the bill best. I was originally gonna use Blade Runner but it actually has a good audience score, i though it didn't. Then i couldn't find a new example so i picked stair wares even though i know everyone on here hates it

Hi Disney mom?
What's the discount up to?
When's bedtime at your house?

i wonder if anyone smarter than me has debunked it as applied towards humans and that it's like a 50 year old experiment.

Audiences are idiots who only look for something that isn't challenging and something they can eat popcorn over

This was established when paranormal activity made money

Sup Forums has good reasons to hate it and didn;t even like the force awakens but the vast majority of the backlash is actually from butt hurt fanboys that wanted darth vader to show up and swish his red light saber or other such childish stupidity.

more so when they made 4 of them and 2 stand alone movies.

Huh?
You psychic?
How do you know what Fanboys wanted?

Relativity is, like, a 50 year old theory man. There is nothing to debunk, it just exposes some interesting parallels. It's not going to be applicable to humans directly, I was being hyperbolic.

they say it

Whatever your stance, it comes down to one factor: Do you enjoy the overarching Star Wars story line or not?

Pretty much the only people I've seen that enjoy The Last Jedi are those who never cared for the originals or prequels. For them, its an reboot of an dated franchise which pushes diversity quotas and fresh looking visuals. The other side is compiled of lore nerds and people over 25 who were fans before the sequels.

Although, fuck anyone who injects their headcannon politics into this shit. That's what is truly dragging SW through the mud, both Disney and twitter warriors.

Does it embarrass you any that you are actually defending disney for free?

>are diametrically opposed now
it's not opposition, it's politics

star wars the last jedi is a sjw wetdream
the greatest showman has a white fucking male lead, and not only that, a historical white male lead, in positive light. Just google P. T. Barnum if you want to learn more.

that's why the critics loved tlj while hated the greatest showman. it has nothing to do with the quality of the movie

I wrote a 20 page paper about PT Barnum a few years ago. The guy was a self described con man and the only “special”person that performed for him that he had an ounce of care for was Charles Stratton, aka General Tom Thumb. Barnum took pride in cheating people out of their money. Fucking retards full of liberal dreams will walk out of Showman believing that they just watched a documentary about a great accepting man.

>implying they care about the audiences
They're shitty stuck up people that try to 1-up the rest of their kin, literal shark babies in the womb.

>49%

>Fucking retards full of liberal dreams will walk out of Showman believing that they just watched a documentary about a great accepting man.

Based Barnum tricking people from beyond the grave.

>Pretty much the only people I've seen that enjoy The Last Jedi are those who never cared for the originals or prequels.
Then you must not know a lot of people. Most Star Wars people I talk to liked TLJ. I don't know if it's because they uncritically eat up everything with the logo or not, but I do know quite a few fans of the OT who loved this.

But it was really bad.

ill only believe this when MCU gets a bad critical score or bad audience score

>It shares their worldview/propaganda of social justice, diversity

Except they are wrong.

>food analogy

Exactly. McDonalds being unhealthy but still popular totally proves The Last Jedi ain't a piece of turd.

There's always been a difference in critic and audience reaction to movies. In the past everyone knew it was because the average person was dumb and wanted dumb, as in Kevin Smith's defense of "I don't make movies for critics" whenever his movies would get shit reviews. Also remember how audiences loved Adam Sandler and Rob Schneider movies while critics didn't.

>an sucessfull

critics used to have good taste

Fuck off Mouse

Your analogy is flawed, because lots of people are still watching TLJ despite it being recognised as being bad by the public. Which is the same as McDonlads. It's literally the McDonalds of movies, the brand power alone keeps it a float.

Critics at the time were people with actual good taste. Today they are just art students brainwashed by leftist agenda with a open love for post-modernism, and failed journalists who are too incompetent to find a job on the field.

kek, that spelling

this is nothing new.

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tldw; Critics breaks down a movie piece by piece, to point out the good, the bad, the ugly, and the overdone cliches, all to give an unbiased, professional review, if to the point of being pretentious.

audiences only care for the overall experience. simply put; was it fun? at most, they'll further judge a movie whether it aligns with their social/political opinion. and that's all it's gonna be; their personal, biased opinion.

you can throw around claims of pushing an agenda, or being paid to review better, but personally, if at least one side claims a higher point than the other, it's at least worth a try to make out my own opinion on the movie if i'm that curious.

SW failing with audience is not a surprise. nevermind the EA Lootbox shenanigans, but the extended lore (& fanfic) fed to the fans for decades between the OG Trilogy & the Prequel Trilogy, through books & TV , can give rise to some level of fanatic expectations, resulting in a critical view when those expectations aren't met or are contradicted.

Yeah, the same people that go to see transformers and fast and furious every year now have clout

All the best vehicles, lore and characters come from extended materials, not the movies.

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>nu/pol/ has unironically become defensive of globalist opinions (China) and normalfaggotry (TLJ)

Greatest showman is awful. Audiences are fucking stupid, and giving a low score to the 8th entry to their favorite fanboy series doesn't change that because Star Wars in general is made for drooling idiot wide audience.

They aren't suddenly smart because they didn't like a movie in a series they have way too much stake in.

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Not to mention they rated the movie based on story choices (Luke dying, Snoke not being explained) and not on the quality of the film. This is the first fucking time I've seen people rate a movie badly "cuz it didn't deliver" since fucking Lost World.

He's not wrong but he's also clearly a pajeet

You should take critic's opinion seriously only in case of non Disney movies. Audience tends to be more accurate about the mouse shit

/poltv/ only uses normies as a crutch when it furthers their narrative.

i posted this shit like 2 days ago you jew

alri disney mom

The only thing that equals quality is quality. Everyone can go eat at McDonalds right now and then everyone can walk out feeling full.
>crowd "pleased"
But the food is still shitty quality.

>admitting this movie is the equivalent of shitty mcfood
Thank you, that's what wee been sayin yo', its empty garbage

The disconnect is bigger than it's ever been.

If audiences want the reviewers to agree with them, then they will need to pay as much for those reviews as Disney does.

The movie is bad. It have pacing issues, climate killing jokes, lore breaking decisions that require the audience to turn off their brains to the lack of logic, A literal crime on sci-fi with stablished worlds and lore. To be disconected with your audience is to be a retarded entertainment maker. it fails to pick the threads from it's previous installment, and give no reasons to watch it's next installment. The sheep will obviously look at it and realize that it is a bad movie. But, they have no knowledge to point out the flaws, so they justify their disapointment with silly reasons, like "Luke is not luke".

My father watched Justice League and tought the movie was bad, but couldn't explain why, since the fight scenes were actually good. Is it because the movie is good and he is nitpicking? No, it's because he don't have the specific knowledge to point out where the movie fails.

what, mace was like the most boring dude ever, he didnt do anything except get his ass fried out a window and all that gay shit is in books and crap, fuck is this gay shit?

He was literally the most powerful member of the council.

wheres that line or scene in the movie showing that?

He beat Sheev one on one when Yoda could not and lets face it, Yoda and Mace were the only two important council members. Yoda was just too old by episode III.

Star Wars fans lack any cultural or religious foundation. Their love pop culture becomes a religion. This is can be confined to politics too, so they embrace and enforce utopias, such as Socialism, The EU, or Multiculturalism.

what? nahh sheev took the fall for the big bucks if ya know what i mean

The biggest success of Disney is that they don’t even need to pay critics anymore, they’re genus.

TLJ is just not a good movie from any angle aside maybe Adam Driver. There is just too much about it that presents terribly.

Source: ASS

Since liking the movie is the minority opinion, explain why it is good.

i love your new fillet recipe btw

>Most Star Wars people I talk to liked TLJ.

Must be hard to have imaginary people in your head.

It's just a bad story. I don't even give a shit about Star Wars, but it's just garbage.

From the angle of someone indifferent on the franchise as a whole i found it to be fine and found that the hate for the movie blown out of proportions by hyperbolic, autistic, seething man children.

Not european, but EU is pretty great. I can fuck around an entire continent with only one pass.

It's only rated so low because Nazis hate women, that's why Wonder Woman got review bombed too!

I remember leaving TLJ the same time TGS crowd was leaving and they all looked happy and fulfilled adn I turned to my brother and said "fuck man we should have paid to see the Huge Act Man instead"

The Greatest Showman was pretty good. It wasn't groundbreaking but it clearly was a passion project and it showed.

>Most Star Wars people I talk to liked TLJ

I literally don't know a single person, star wars fans or not, that liked TLJ. I realize there must be tens of millions of people out there that do like it, it has a 50% on RT so half the people who saw it did actually like it, but I certainly don't know any of them, have never met any of them, and quite frankly wouldn't care to.

you know 50% of people on rt dont equal 50% of the people who saw it, just the people who gave it a score...asshole.

Agreed. Adam is too good an actor for this trainwreck.

Same here. But unlike the other user, I don't have soyboys, or "nerds because of trends" in my social circles.

Is this the new disneyshills defence for the low score?

>someone indifferent on the franchise as a whole
>i found it to be fine
So even someone who doesn't give a fuck doesn't think it's good, just fine? Yet you can't understand why "fine" isn't something fans would want?

>Whatever your stance, it comes down to one factor: Do you enjoy the overarching Star Wars story line or not?

Actually outside of burgerland, where it seems to be a shameful and difficult act to admit dislike of Star Wars, TLJ is disliked regardless of what it does to SW characters, story and lore.

Because if you examine it without SW fan baggage, it is a below-average excruciatingly drawn-out boring stupid blockbuster that makes Bayformers seem concise and action-packed and has nothing going for it except your average blockbuster budget. Mind you, TFA also was your average stupid blockbuster movie with nothing going for it, and it already killed Star Wars franchise stone dead in many countries, most importantly China, but at least it had enough action to avoid being fucking boring.

TLJ placed itself in a lose-lose situation. The only people who could remotely give a shit about its subversive plot and message were old SW fans. Those whom it strove to piss off. But non-fans had no idea why fuck the movie is spending so much time on Mary Sue having acid trips in the company of creepy old men, or why they are supposed to care about an ugly manchild villain, or what was the point of the casino trip.

>defending star wars
Manchild detected

TLJ has 172 000 user reviews. How many of those do you think are Sup Forums shitposters? Is it that inconceivable that maybe, just maybe, the general public liked this movie less than the critics?

no, just pointing out facts, movie was shit but i know plenty of people who liked it, I just hate how people thing rt is treated as the end all be all opinion on a movie when really its just another court of public opinion that no one ever believes in till it serves data they agree with.

i mean there just action adventure sci-fa movies, with simple themes and characters. As long as there decently acted and well shot and im not bored i couldnt care less. Fans hate the movie but thats because they didnt get the movie they want and really only one in every dozen can actually come up with actual criticism and why the film as a whole is a net negative. "It doesnt feel like star wars" the amount of times ive seen this one is just starting to numb my mind. And even with all the movies flaws that are practically objective that i am aware of or agree with, i really cant take peoples criticism seriously when they them selves are prequel apologist.

It won’t last. Too many nationalists, too many poor, and it’s too artificial. Every government is founded under a contract, and its often natural. An Englishman will mostly likely die for a Scott despite their conflict and differences, but a pole couldn’t careless for the French or German. Like most utopias, it’s impossible.

>As long as there decently acted and well shot

Which is not true for TLJ.

>Fans hate the movie but thats because they didnt get the movie they want

Okay, shill.

>only one in every dozen can actually come up with actual criticism and why the film as a whole is a net negative.

Justify 1.5 hours of pointless filler tacked on a 60-minutes movie or fuck off.

>As long as there decently acted and well shot and im not bored i couldnt care less.
Which is why it was okay for you. You don't give a fuck about the subject matter as long as it's shiny and pretty.
>Fans hate the movie but thats because they didnt get the movie they want
Fans hate it for a multitude of reasons, but not getting what they wanted (a competent story within the setting) is a reason they all share.
>"It doesnt feel like star wars" the amount of times ive seen this one is just starting to numb my mind.
That's never been used as a criticism of the movie when people have been discussing it, I've never once heard that.
> i really cant take peoples criticism seriously when they them selves are prequel apologist.
Disliking TLJ doesn't mean you love AotC. You're just taking edgy contrarians at face value like a retard. Stop being retarded.

um yeah it was well acted, especially considering this franchises strong suit has never been acting.
How is it not well shot? How is it not well acted?
the latter is debatable but the former? Compared to the prequels shit looks like citizen kane in comparison if were talking solely about blocking and cinematography.
Are you denying there isnt a vast group of people mad that they didnt get what they wanted? Im not saying you are part of that group but were talking about the star wars fanbase here, thats worst than anime and islam combined.
Canto was 1,5 hours? Really?

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>Disliking TLJ doesn't mean you love AotC
who said that? Im talking about people who shit on tlj and like the prequels, im not saying if you hated the movie you automatically like garbage you fucking mong.