So I've just re-watched again and there is one thing nagging at me. Was Dr...

So I've just re-watched again and there is one thing nagging at me. Was Dr. Stelline's memory erased when she was locked in the sterile chamber? Her response to K's playback of his (really it was her) memory doesn't really go either way, she could either be reacting to K's emotions in bringing up this memory or reacting to the realization that her memory has been given to a replicant, and all the implications that come with that. I honestly could go either way depending on the viewing.

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Stelline is a black box. The story she tells K is clearly a lie, but she may not know that it's a lie. We don't even know if she really has a compromised immune system or if that's just a ploy to keep her out of sight.

Perfect unapproachable dreamgiver Virgin Mary angel Stelline is still best girl.

christ you people are stupid

Is she a virgin? Says she’s been locked up her whole life

Did she have a memory husbando like K had a holo waifu?

The wooden horse bit, the factory— this was all K. For his entire adulthood he simply assumed that the memory was artificial. When he went back to find the horse we were treating to him grasping the damn thing for a full 40 seconds to a droning musical score. You're thinking too hard about it.

Stelline wasn't raised in some grimy factory. Seeing the memory was emotional to her because while she's isolated here making generic and happy memories for people and replicants to fall back on, people actually suffer out in the real world.

wow
thats
so
true

If this was true though, then he would be the child, but we know he's not. He's just a completely normal replicant who happened to get that memory.

>actually believing K is Deckard's kid

As far as deliberate misunderstandings of the movie go, this one is pretty good.

no, i tapped that shit. ate her ass lmao

I just watched it for the first time.
I really wish they gave K some lines near the end of the movie. He barely says a word for the last 30 minutes. A very short death monologue would have been appropriate, I think.

Exactly. The point is, that it's a genuine memory and it happened to somebody. If the girl is Stelline, then the boy is. . . We do not find out. The answer is irrelevant. The boy ended up little more than a slave, lived a hard and shitty life, the boy was acquired by Wallace Corp (presumably) and the memory implanted onto a multitude of replicants as a means of hunting Deckard.

Several of the AWOL replicants had believed, at one point, that they were the child. They were deceived. In both cases, a human life is valued as nothing, if not a means to an end.

I didn't say he was.

So the number carved into the tree and the number carved into the horse figure being the day Rachel died and the child was born was a sheer coincidence.

>if the girl is stelline, the boy is...

There is no boy, it's a fabrication.

There was no boy. One of the records was fictitious in order to mislead investigators (it worked).

Also I don't think we can reliably say that the replicant resistance all had real memories from Stelline. At least some of them were older models like Sapper who went AWOL after fighting some war.

There is no boy, the boy was just a DNA entry in the database, a fabrication that Deckard made to further hide his daughter. Dr. Stelline is the person who experienced that memory.

When K goes to the scrappers, he sees that the boys have short hair and the girls have long hair. The child in the memory has long hair.

There's not much to it. K's memory of getting beaten up and stashing the horse is Stelline's memory.
It's her horse, Deckard carved it for her just like he carved the other animals we saw in Vegas.
She probably could tell it's a real memory somehow, but in hindsight her response suggests she knows its real because she remembers it.

>hand all the way inside stretchy sleeve
C U T E

>the boy was acquired by Wallace Corp (presumably) and the memory implanted onto a multitude of replicants as a means of hunting Deckard

The only reason they wanted Deckard was as a means to find the kid. Nothing about Deckard interested Wallace besides a passing interest in how he saw Rachel. If they already had a kid they wouldn't act surprised when they find out a replicant had given birth and they would already have all the genetic information they needed.

Did you have to take a leak during half the dialogue scenes or what.

>being this of a brainlet
>contradicting yourself but not able to realize it
I'm impressed.

No coincidence. The "boy" was lost for years, until he was found and retrieved from the factory and the nigger's records pertaining to the boy were either destroyed or confiscated. All the boy left behind was his horsie in a furnace, probably all he had to remember his mom.

Maybe there was no boy. It is never confirmed that the boy never existed, however K himself forces the nigger to admit that one of his boys was taken years back. K thinks it was him, naturally.

The memory belonged to someone. Satellite is too well-bred and a cute for the memory to have been hers. She's a different manner of slave.

Dammit, now I might have to see it again and I don't want it to get stale. Stelline best girl.

>as a means to find the kid
I thought you said there was no fucking kid.

Say that to my face whoresson !

>It is never confirmed that the boy never existed

K flatly says "these are identical, one of them is fake" when he's looking at the microfiche. He takes that to mean that the girl was fake and he's the child, but the movie makes it clear that it's the other way around.

>Satellite is too well-bred and a cute for the memory to have been hers. She's a different manner of slave.
I think the fact she's the best memory maker despite being bubble girl hints that she's lived more than she lets on. If all she knew was the bubble then she would probably make boring memories.

Stelline is the kid. What the fuck did you think was happening for the entire last hour of the movie, man.

i think there must be some connection between them. why else would they have her standing in some fake snow right when K is having his final moment? was the snow even real?

The connection is that even though K isn't actually Deckard's kid, because he has the memories, he still is, in a way. This is highlighted when Deckard asks him "So what am I, to you?" and K doesn't reply because he wants to call Deckard his father but he knows he can't.

So we end up with the irony of the fake kid is sitting in the real snow, while the real kid is inside, experiencing holographic snow.

i like that and you're probably right. but it seems a bit too coincidental as well, that she'd be making some snow for herself at the exact same time, or maybe she just knew it was snowing outside?

I think they wanted to avoid going for another "tears in the rain" monologue, but I agree in that at the end of the movie I was desperate for K to say something profound

Wait if she was locked all her life
How did she get this memory (that was given to K) about the horse?

user imagine for a moment that not every character in the film is telling the truth at all times

Why didn't she lie about real\fake memories then?

As far as I could tell she couldn't actually 'see' the memory she could just tell if it was real. Her memory could not have been erased as she was using it as inspiration for her works.

All these anons implying that K actually had a childhood, you're factually wrong.

The biggest clue in the memories should be the hair. In the furnace memory, the kid who is hiding the horse has hair while everyone else has shaved heads. When K gets to that kids slave factory, every boy has shaved heads while girls have some hair on their heads. So the memory is without question from Ana, end of story.

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It's embarrassing how dumb people can be in this board. No wonder this meme surfaced in this website

this dude is a terrible actor

another film ruined by ryan "only has two acting modes" gosling

He is the child, the le epic twist is fucking stupid

You can believe your autistic headcanon all you want, but he is not the child and those are not his memories, just look at the hair in the memories.

It fits absolutely perfectly for the role, he's playing an emotionally stunted replicant who now has to emotionally express himself for the first time in his life.
Same goes for his other roles, not one of them calls for a wide and grand performance.

Give me a single other actor who would suit K better

I disagree with you, but you'll appreciate this

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Fuck off cunt. It might be FunnyOrDie but it's still funny

Imagine living through your life carrying opinions influenced by Reddit or Die. Now imagine going through life thinking there is nothing wrong with this.

I thought she represents the holy spirit. Through the memories she gives them emotions and all.

anyone who believes that the horse factory child person was a boy is plain stupid....

also another detail you all seemed to miss is that:
all boys in the orphanage had fully shaved heads, all girls had hair... so its clearly a girl from the memory

This. I caught it in my second viewing. There are a lot more clues hiding in plain sight on the true identity of K and Joi. As well as the use of symbolism, to make things more clearly.

only watched it once...
give me some of those clues hiding in plain sight... i mightve missed them

Wasn't she only 'locked' after being 8?

yes she was (according to her anyway)

Lol

The real question is how did she get that weird Swedish accent if she was locked in a glass box her whole life

Her parents implanted a Swede household into her memory to throw any curious busybodies off her even further. Would you believe she was related to Deckard and Rachael if the film never told you?

She didn't grow up with her parents, and with all the other weird people in the orphanage it probably meant she didn't develop into a normal accent.

No, because I think it's corny as fuck to make the plot of the second movie revolve around the kid of characters from the first movie who barely had an established romance, but that's just me

Even cornier is wanting a film to visually establish a relationship in order for the fruit of that relationship be plausible. Villenueve gambled that audiences were too stupid to assume Deckard and Rachael model #1 had a child and he was right.

K being not the special child: His enhanced strength, perception, and agility. If he really was the child of Deckard and Rachel then he wouldn't have had those traits since neither Deckard and Rachel have those traits. They even made a point on DNA and binary coding, telling us the difference beteween K and Joi. Replicants are not robots, they are engineered humans as the title sequence said.

Joi: In the DNA scene we see Joi project an exact copy, right down to the smallest detail of the wooden horse, even though she never seen it before. This might be because she is able to read K's mind and read his inner desires and wishes since mind reading machines exist in this universe. It is also revealed that she is a spyware, since she has a memory data storage and Luv mentioned that Wallace is a data hoarder. When K broke off the transmitter of the emenator, we see Luv angrily getting up from her chair in her office, where there is a computer on her desk revealing that she had been monitoring K through Joi. Also she named K Joe and the giant Ad called Joe too. Meaning he is an Average Joe.

As for symbolism there was a Russian equilevant of Joi called Soviet Happy, the giant ballerina we see near the whorehouse. When K was coming home to his apartment, there was an old belligerent Russian woman that called K a handsome tin soldier. Connecting those two ethnicities together, then you will get the reference to The Steadfast Tin Soldier. The moral of the story is to not blindly fall in love with a woman that could never love you. K represents the tin soldier, Joi the ballerina and the old russian woman as The Jack-in-the-box.

There is most likely alot more that I missed but that's what I got so far.

You are so stupid it hurts

Does your mom know that you use the N word in a bladerunner thread on the internet? I might have to tell her

In my head cannon k doesnt die on the steps. Deckard comes back outside because while hes happy he found his daughter he still knows K got him there. And though ks not his real son, hes still the closest thing he will ever have. Oddly K was also created in an act of love.

For a short time he was the adopted son of Deckard. It's implied that Deckard thought that K was his child too since he looks so confused when there were outside of Stelline's facility.

He looks confused because he doesn’t have a clue why does a random replicant risk his entire life just to reunite him with his daughter. He even straight up asks him "What am it you?"

This can go both ways. He revealed that he never knew the gender of his kid since he was long gone before Ana was born. When he said "You okay?" sympathetically, he figured out that K also thought that he was the son, knowing how mindfucking it is to have implanted memories. One of the themes of Blade Runner is to have insight over ones being and be empathetic towards other people that you perceive as different.

I hope they beat you up in school on Monday