Utrom Shredder

So why is this twist so hated again? Personally, the whole Utrom backstory was my favorite part of the cartoon by far.

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jeez how many shredders were there in 2003 tmnt?

Because all the ninjutsu and impressive fighting was just a programmed robot. It wasn't human at peak physical condition.

At least that's why I hated it.

Iunno. I liked it, thought it was a pretty cool and unexpected twist. But if I had to hazard a guess, it was probably gut instinct disliked because it was a concept that was radically different from any previous model of the show. I don't think there has been a version of TMNT outside of 2k3 where Shredder has had this backstory.

How in the world was it a robot?

The suit user. The Utom was controlling a robotic suit.

I don't know, makes a pretty good point.

I loved this twist. 2003 Turtles in general was great up until they did the time travel season.

I hope idw does something like he fakes being shredder because he sees how much power he has

Dude nearly fucked up the Turtles multiverse. He had balls, I'll give him that.

I wanna see him fight 90's movie Shredder.

Exactly this

If it doesn't have a computer for a brain, it's not a robot.

Where was it established that the robot was "programmed"? I assumed that while he was using a robot suit, it was still him controlling it to pull off all the crazy ninja shit.

2.
Normal Shredder and his daughter took up the mantle for one season when we though he was dead.

Him, Karai, the demon he impersonated and his AI simulation.

Four, one of which is a duplicate.

This is autistic.

It's a clever idea, I thought that even at the time. I just personally find it hard to take him seriously after that twist when I know he's just a Coldsteel the Edgeheg recolor of Krang. But it's hard to take Shredder seriously anyway the thirtieth time the Turtles kick his ass in any continuity, so he's not so different from any other version of Shredder in that regard. I just find him inherently cooler when he's a human being.

It's boring.

No, it's quite literal. It's just superpowered armor in this specific case.

>Because all the ninjutsu and impressive fighting was just a programmed robot. It wasn't human at peak physical condition.
>At least that's why I hated it.

That is literally the dumbest reason to hate it.
>Boo hoo, a concept that wasn't even really implied is getting in the way of my preferences!

I initially hated it until I realized that I've seen classic Shredder done to death and so Utrom Shredder ended up growing on me as different take on the character.

I just wish he actually got more of a motivation beyond "DESTROY EVERYTHING" in the end, but I'll be damned if he wasn't enjoyable to watch with how ridiculously sinister he was.

>recolor of Krang.

Utroms have been part of the TMNT comics since forever

He is quite literally a composite of Krang and Shredder.

No because Krang is a useless lump of annoying Peter Laird made sure was going to be ignored for as long as possible.

>If it doesn't have a computer for a brain, it's not a robot.
1- Not all robots are controlled by computers, some are controlled by chips with basic function programed in
2- There's a difference between an artificial brain/ Artificial intelligence and a computer.
3- A computer works by responding to inputs/information given by a user, so one would be needed to pilot a mechanical body.

>it was still him controlling it to pull off all the crazy ninja shit.

That's like saying it's you doing cool shit when you're playing a video game. Using a robotic body that doesn't have the physical limitations of flesh and blood isn't as impressive as skill and training.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_robots

Ok? All his standoffs with Splinter and the turtles just felt flat after it was revealed it was a dude in a machine. It just wasn't impressive to me anymore.

>1- Not all robots are controlled by computers, some are controlled by chips with basic function programed in
>2- There's a difference between an artificial brain/ Artificial intelligence and a computer.
This is all literal nonsense.
>3- A computer works by responding to inputs/information given by a user, so one would be needed to pilot a mechanical body.
Unless it's thought controlled, which seems extremely likely.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computing

It's not remotely comparable to playing a video game, not at all. It's like superpowered armor.

Autism.

>That's like saying it's you doing cool shit when you're playing a video game.

More analogous to a fighter pilot or something. It still requires skill to be able to use it effectively.

If you think real-world soldiers who wear high-tech armor become robots I don't think there's much point arguing with you.

Autism.

> It's like superpowered armor.

Which is why it's less impressive than a guy who trained his body.

>If you think real-world soldiers who wear high-tech armor become robots I don't think there's much point arguing with you.

They don't become robots they are USING ROBOTS.

"Autism" isn't an argument, fool.

>Which is why it's less impressive than a guy who trained his body.
If it's thought controlled as seems extremely likely, it's actually MORE impressive.
>They don't become robots they are USING ROBOTS.
Now you're just being silly.

>If it doesn't have a computer for a brain, it's not a robot.
I shown you a link with robots that do not have computers for a brain. Showing me examples of computing with no relation to robots doesn't refute that.

Well, Mirage Shredder had the same overall arc of going insane and trying to just kill the turtles when you think on it:

>Given a mortal stab by Leo in TMNT #1
>Comes back in Leonardo #1, kicks TMNT's asses to westMass, doesn't give a shit on them afterward as he's got revenge
>Method of resurrection is revealed as mad science in TMNT #20, killed again via decapitation in TMNT #21 by Leo
>Resurrected once more by Foot mysticism, but is now a shark-mutant due to remains molding with shark that ate his decapitated head
>Finally gone crazy both due to turtles coming out of the blue twice to kill him and becoming a mutant after being revived TWICE can't be good for your psyche
>Finally flat-out goes for trying to kill the TMNT, this is barely averted by Splinter, and later killed for good by Splinter and Casey of all people (kek)

It seems Shredders TRY to blow off the turtles, but being continually foiled to the point of death finally makes them go crazy and focus entirely on murdering them with sanity slippage in the process.

You still don't get it, do you? The "brain" of a robot is a computer by definition.

A robot cannot exist without a computer (but obviously not vice versa).

Autism.

So there has never been a remote controlled robot?

Whether a machine is a robot depends on the degree of autonomy, not the method of communication.

It's like he's fucking Krang.

Lewd

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_(robot)

Wrong again

The closest to Krang Shredder that you'll ever get.

that doesn't make him impressive, it turn him from an actual martial artist into a Street Fighter player

You're a fucking idiot, read this thread thoroughly.

This is the definition robot

a machine capable of carrying out a complex series of actions automatically, ESPECIALLY one programmable by a computer.

Wikipedia isn't authoritative, you retard. Think for yourself, will you?

That's the google definition not wikipedia

Would have preferred him being a demon, or maybe he made a deal with one and became an immortal zombie, which is the backstory of the feudal japan shredder

>Google definition
what the fuck am I reading

A man working hard to become a ninja master is more compelling than an alien driving a mecha.

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Has there been any word on if Nick are going to release more of 2k3 on dvd? I know that did a couple of releases a year or so ago.

Utrom, Karai, Cyber, Oroku Saki/ Tengu.

You could easily rig a wind up alarm clock or egg timer to start and stop a series of electrical motors that perform some simple task. If new information doesn't have to be computed it doesn't need a computer.

It was still impressive that he was reacting well to their attacks piloting the suit, and he still had his life at risk if they ever aimed at the gut.

Why would they do that? It might drive down sales of their massive 2012 TMNT franchise.

I don't hate it but it's kind of sad that the objectively most competent Shredder is furthest from the original version.

They only did it to get away with beheading him anyway.

welcome to 2017.

AFAIK the main reason for the change was to tie the street-level and outer space aspects of the mythos closer together.

In the other versions (including the original comics), it feels kind of bizarre how the Turtles fight street gangs and then superpowered aliens.

I hated it because it just seemed too much for Shredder. I always liked the idea that in a world of mutants, aliens, and magic, the Turtles are most intimidated by a man in armor. That out of everything to be concerned with, Saki pushed himself above and beyond his limits to become a threat when he honestly shouldn't be.

The whole Utrom Shredder thing just felt like a lame asspull that made his rivalry with Yoshi seem really useless and stupid when you realize he's terrorized planets.

But they already did do it.

Everyone who brings up the Yoshi aspect seems to be forgetting a hugely important fact: in the cartoon he is a protector of the Utroms, which is a MUCH BETTER origin for a deep-seated hatred than a rivalry over a girlfriend.

Perhaps they realized their (potential) mistake?

You... you anons can't be serious, c-can you? I mean, surely nobody can be THIS stupid!?

Definitely disagree. I find the "protector of the Utroms" thing a lot less interesting and far more contrived. Two friends who became bitter rivals over love may be cliche, but it really worked as a foundation to Yoshi and Saki's constant struggle. It's easier to be drawn in emotionally to it.

Welcome to 2017.

Eh, it's been played out so many times in so much media that it's one of the most despised clichés ever at this point. It also VASTLY diminishes the "ultimate supervillain" characterization that is the very reason this Shredder is considered the best - even by many of those who hate the alien reveal! (And I don't see how you can call the protector thing "contrived", at all.)

But there's also the whole thing about Splinter's origin: in this cartoon as in the original comics he is not Yoshi himself, which makes the girlfriend angle look even worse by comparison.

>it really worked as a foundation to Yoshi and Saki's constant struggle

It also characterizes Yoshi well since he decided to move on with his life than to stew in hatred.

IDW did it better

Doesn't matter if he was human or not.

He was still an wicked, twisted bastard and quite possibly the evilest Shredder ever. And thats all that matters.