Avengers vs Justice League

OP says Justice League wins.
Debate. Go.

Avengers have more scientists and enough magic users to counter act JL's magic base characters.

Take Superman out of the equation and Avengers win 10/10

We all know it comes down to whether the hulk gets angry enough

Avengers have no counter to Plastic man

Yeah Superman bacically makes everyone else BTFO. But even if Superman gets taken out of the equation, I still say the Justice League wins. Do you know why? Because Batman.

Hulk beat the living shit of Mr Fantastic who has the exact same ability

Fantastic even had help, lots in fact

>Hulk beat the living shit of Mr Fantastic who has the exact same ability
>the exact same ability

reed pls

u can't even turn into bycicle

Ted is vastly outmatched there, why didn't they give him someone like widow or swordsman to fight?

Bro, Plas shits all over Reed. Plas isn't just a stretcher.

actually in the canon comic OP's image is from, BB and Panther are only shown fighting in two panels - BB clocking Ted in one, and in another Ted swinging off a vine and double booting T'Challa in the face

so, technically, in canon Ted can 50/50 Black Panther :)

Okay fine Plas is superior to Reed, but read World War Hulk and then tell me Plas has a chance

They all have sex

How to spot someone who only reads Marvel

Plastic man Solos.

While I'm not sure it's possible to kill the hulk, Superman or Green Lantern could just fly him up and sling him into outer space where he'd forever be propelled away from the earth according to Newton's first law of motion. Or since the flash can freaking time travel through use of the speed force, then he could just take whip him back into pre-historic times and leave him there or something like that.

You know thats not in character at all

Hulk would revert to bruce once he passed out in orbit and Supe or Lantern would bring him back down because Justice

Then he wakes up angrier

Depends on the Flash tho
Barry has trouble breaking time while Wally doesnt

Even if it was Wally, Flashes only use time against reverse speedsters

Power-wise, the JLA have it, easy. I mean even Thor won't win 50% of the time against Superman.

Puzzle: what happens if Wonder Woman wraps the Hulk in her Lasso of Truth? Remember, that lasso was forged by the god Hephaestos and is unbreakable, so that's not the issue. I meant: what happens to his mind? Can he stay angry (probably)?

>Take Superman out of the equation and Avengers win 10/10

That might be the dumbest thing I have read all day.

They literally had to get rid of Flash's powers to get around the fact that he'd beat the Avengers before the fight starts.

Hulk literally cannot harm Plastic Man. Nothing he is physically capable of doing would even phase Eel. He could blow up the planet and Eel would still be fine.

They have Beast and Wonder Man.
They'd totally bro-up de facto taking him out of the equation

Flash can solo

Martian Manhunter can solo

JL curbstomp the Avengers 9 out of10

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Not even a competition. The Avengers on average are MUCH weaker - their main line-up is mostly strength enhanced soldiers, nothing else for the most part. Meanwhile, the JL has the world's best tactician and strategist, the world's best fighter with other utilities like a lie detector, a person who wields a weapon that can pretty much do anything, a man who runs at the speed of light or faster, the king of the sea, a human computer who can create wormholes, and the definition of what a superhero is. That's us using the MOVIE lineups.

You are either ignorant or a fanboy if you don't see how DC's heroes are just more powerful. Like one person from the league could potentially solo the entire main lineup of the Avengers.

you can say that Mr. Fantastic has the same ability compared to Elongated Man.
Plastic man powers are different, you can destroy him to cellular level and given enough time he will reform itself.

Crossovers dont count

And last i checked doomsday killed supes with hard punches and hulk has been shown break continents by walking

DC heroes are much more powerful on average.

The crossover had to give Scarlet Witch a huge one time power boost in the DC universe to make it less than a curbstomp and even then the boost only let her do what DC mages do easily (like teleport). Martian Manhunter is much more powerful than Vision and every Flash outruns Quicksilver

Depends on the lineups but yeah I'd say JL takes it most of the time.

Wally actually has a big no-no about time travel, especially into the past. He CAN, but he's averse to mucking up the timeline, which is the base of the conflict between him and Zoom II.

SW can teleport in 616 too. Her powers might be the most inconsistent in all cape comics.

Fuck the Avengers.

How about X-Men vs Justice League?

They all go to the savage land and have a tug of war in swimsuits.

>muties
Disgusting.

Which Avengers and JLA? The current main comic teams? Both have comparable abilities but the JLA is a better functioning team. In contrast, the current main Avengers comics team is just a bunch of individuals, with most of them spoiling for an excuse to whomp Doom's ass.

Flash, wonder Woman, Superman and Batman are OP.
Only Iron Man written by Bendis (with preptime) can counteract this kind of power. He would make an Anti-Batman missile.

In the other two meetings Hulk loses but after being able to hurt him.

Which Iron Man? I imagine Doom would succeed while Stark would fail. Shit always fucks up Stark's plans after all. Doom usually only fails because of Richards.

Heroes with reasonable power levels against heroes who go from bullet proof to supernova proof. You can guess how this ends.

Doom fails because of Doom.

RICHARDS!!!!!

Holy shit. In the Silver Age, even suggesting Superman might lose a straight-up fistfight that didn't involve Kryptonite was HUGE.

Doomsday is like the Hulk... squared. And without Banner. Put it like this. He STARTS OUT at the level the Hulk might reach after about fifteen minutes or so of fighting.

>hulk has been shown break continents by walking

No. At the end of 'World War Hulk" when he went full World Breaker and was at the absolute pinnacle of blinding fury, his footfall threatened to sink the eastern seaboard, but that second step never came. In any case that is still not 'breaking continents'.

Look. One of the Hulk's most famous feats was lifting one hundred fifty billion tons of rock for a few minutes; while Superman could move planets. It's orders of magnitude in difference.

>How about X-Men vs Justice League?

That would be an even shorter fight, unless Emma manages to mess with all of their minds. If J'onn is on their side, even that is not an issue.

>Shit always fucks up Stark's plans after all.

...Nnnnno. He usually succeeds if the issue is a simple battle. He almost always loses from the Hulk because winning a battle against the Hulk is a fools' errand unless you're Thor or something. But not always.

In recent years, Iron Man's raw power has been frequently downplayed because if they didn't, he would dominate pretty much any battle.

Who jobs first? J'onn or Xavier?

This is BS
what about
avengers villains VS Justice League Villains

Masters of Evil vs Legion of Doom!

That'd probably be more fun, but it still seems likely the Legion would take it, since many of their members are pretty much evil versions of the heroes.

How do you explain his loss to Carol Danvers?

Carol solos.
Yaas Queen slay.

Wonder Woman bitch slaps Carol with minimal effort before practicing turtle shell rope binding on Danvers.

To some degree it depends on the specific line-up of the teams, but even then all you're really doing is modifying the amount of time it takes for the Justice League to win. That is, of course, assuming you're talking about the comic versions.
If you're talking MCU vs. DCEU then Superman can solo the lot of them.

He lost to Muhammad Ali dude.

Against Xavier, I think it wouldn't be jobbing...

Shit writing.

I mean, look at the size of that armor. His NORMAL armor, which is practically skin-tight, provides him with Level 80-90 strength and extreme endurance as well as a range of energy weapons. This armor is... how much more voluminous?

I'm not saying he should have pwned her, but losing was a fucking joke. Especially since he knows she is vulnerable to certain types of energy attack. Years ago, she stated that the communications scrambler on Avengers Mansion made her feel like she was wrapped in sandpaper. That's a pretty dangerous thing to tell Tony Stark.

So, in short, he jobbed, and jobbed badly.
I think that in the last issue it was hinted he was literally fighting to lose, as the only way to end the Civil War, but since that entire event was a fart in a bathroom anyway I still think it was a waste.

Yayyy!

Legion is a fickle group, always a different line-up.

Even the writers at marvel would give the win to the league. Seriously this isnt something new
>World War Hulk


kek

I'd say it's a pretty big achievement for a fictional character to face off with any real-life boxer, let alone Ali.

I'm just saying it's a pretty far cry from "even suggesting he'd lose a fist fight is heresy".

Same goes for the Masters.

I just assumed we were throwing anyone whose ever been a member into the fray.

But even so, the latest incarnation of the Legion had Lex, Bizarro, Sinestro and Black Adam. That's brain and brawn enough to give any team trouble.

>World War Hulk
King Hulk was pretty beast, but it's not a level he can just power up to like a Super Saiyan or something, that was canonically the most enraged he had ever been at the time, and it took blowing up his new space family to get him there. That kind of emotional trauma doesn't just happen whenever.

Ironically, this would include the Crime Syndicate and the Squadron Supreme/Sinister.

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That depends on the line-ups, the specific iterations of the characters, and whether they can call in allies.

I'd say only the pre-Crisis and Anti-Matter Syndicates have a chance against any incarnation of the Squadron Supreme.

Let us not be too skewed in our fanboy enthusiasm for one side or the other, both teams have their high-powered and low-powered folks, the main reason the JLA is seen as more powerful overall is because more of their heavy hitters are in the starting line-up.

Keep in mind, nearly every Marvel hero has been part of the Avengers at one point or another including some of their most powerful guys like Dr. Strange, Hyperion, The Sentry, Captain Universe, and Starbrand, and guys that are easily in the Hulk's weight class like Hercules, Wonder Man, Gilgamesh, and even Red Hulk.

The JL also have guys in the Superman class with Captain Marvel/Shazam, Captain Atom, Supergirl, Powergirl, and Mon-El.

Neither company has a monopoly on OP heroes, it's just that most of the time, DC puts their top guys in the spotlight while Marvel tends to have more of their heavy hitters off doing their own thing, usually in space.

The Flash, Martian Manhunter and Zatanna could take the majority of them single handedly.
>Superman flies him to outer space
>Zatana does a Kluh Seog ot Scaps spell
>MM does some shit

What the hell is a spacs?

>Who is Scarlet Witch.

>on erom Hctiw Telracs
Or at the very least they have a reality warp battle

>Scarlet Witch More No

That's so messed up. Poor Ted, his life is suffering.

In her spells, only the words are spelled backwards
I fucked up too tho, since I switched her name around.
Alternatively, Telracs Hctiw sesol reh srewop

Someone dump JLA vs Avengers already

Pretty much the injustice gang/Secret Society would beat down most Marvel Villian teams.

You would need a team of straight up heavy hitters and even then you need to have them work together. That's the difference between Marvel & DC villains, Marvel's has such large fucking egos it's insane.

If it takes place in the DC Universe Scarlet Witch is canonically stronger than the entire JL. But she goes crazy.

Is this Avengers Avengers or "everyone not an X-men except Beast and Wolverine" Avengers?

Because Superman +Martian Manhunter+Flash beasts most Avengers lineups.

Magic is no joke in DC.

Flash can solo the Marvel Universe

Adding more JLAers is just fucking overkill

Justice League all the way
But a better question is why are they fighting in the first place

Superman Solo-Stomps.

Literally any of the Justice League can solo the avengers.

That's even worse user,

X-Men are typically made up of a bunch of people with 1 power each and they tend to not be the best at them. Avengers and JLA have powerhouses like MM, Superman, Wonder Woman etc that have massive lists of powers under their belt.

And the X-Men have a shit time against bricks, they barely handle Apocalypse and Sinister. Each are shit to Thor or Hulk in a fight.

The strongest strong guy type of mutant is Colossus and he tops off at a much lower level than any of the Avenger bricks. Carol, Namor, Herc, Thor, She Hulk, are all better.

And until a year or two ago standard Iron Man armor made Tony a low stronger than Carol. She is just stronger than everyone now for no fucking reason

Bizzarro is not a villain; he's just misunderstood.

That's not true though, Ted isn't going to last long against most of the street level avengers.

Ted can definitely jold his own against most street levels. Spider-Man would obviously kivk his ass, but I can somehow see him doing okay against Power Fist. Maybe the Punisher. Daredevil takes him down in no time, though.

He's also more powerful than Supes since he is a better magic user than Zatanna.

Batman/Green Arrow aren't getting past guys like Black Panther so they couldn't solo.

Kek, sure.

DC villains vs marvel vilalins who win

Radioactive nipple laser man could probably hold his own against most of the league.

That's an extinction event you are talking about. Only Thanos and other suicidal characters wins because they'd get to be dead again.

Are we going off that pic? Because if so...

Holy shit, the Justice League mops the fucking floor with the Avengers. When you have Plastic Man, Martian Manhunter, and The Flash, that's all you need, but then toss in Wonder Woman and Superman, as well as Captain Atom? God damn. You also have Bat-god, The Atom, and Blue Beetle, as well as Aquaman.

It's not even a fair fucking fight.

Come on man, every one knows that Martian Manhunter would job five seconds into the fight, he has no bearing on the JL winning.

Don't forget about Firestorm. He could have stripped Iron Man, Hawkeye, Cap and Black Panther of their weapons and turned Vision into a block of lead.

Maybe in JLU, but comicwise, he doesn't job that much. I mean, in New 52, for example, he took on the whole league by himself and left unscathed. And there's the time he was a Burning Martian.

I didn't even see Firestorm. God damn. Stacked as fuck.

Yeah. They'd need someone like Silver Surfer to counter him. It is pretty messed up to think he is one of the few heroes who was never an Avenger when even Dr. Doom is an Avenger now.

He didn't need them holding him back clearly.

Really? While I agree with most Cyborg and Pretty much any Green Lantern can't solo the Justice League.

Green Arrow? No.

Batman has solo'd the Justice League both post Crisis and New 52. He could take the Avengers.

Who wins this?

I don't think you understand. When both Martian Manhunter and The Flash are in the picture, any side Marvel has will lose, even with Rogue. The DC side is just too stacked.

Overpowered gods and aliens vs powered up humans......gee I wonder who'll come out on top. C'mon, manhunter could handle most of the avengers. He'd be like a boss to them.