Is it possible to design a strong independent women character today without offending the anti-SJWs?

Oh boy has writing female characters become a landmine these days easily offended people seem to have become the norm on the internet.

Bonus points if its a colored woman like a black or Spaniard.

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>without offending the anti-SJWs
why would anyone want that?

Make them attractive.

Step nr 1.: Write a good character

Yeah.

make them as ponies

Why do you people always tailor characters to fit your own fucking agenda? Jesus christ, just write good fucking characters, there's no goddamn reason to write a character solely to be "inclusive" or whatever the fuck your reason is.

Fucking true mah brotha

Anything you do is going to offend someone so you might as well do what you want, whether that means making a strong independent woman or a brain dead bimbo.

As a Nazi I second this

how about making your design on what you think should be the design and not trying to please anybody

Corporations don't want to offend anybody, this generally means bland characters, this is much more of a problem for video game and movie characters than cartoons and books, however. People mad at there being an "agenda" in the media don't seem to understand economics.

Recast Lobo as a woman. Tough, cock-smoking broad that takes no bullshit and makes a living hunting bounties throughout all reaches of space. She never has a team, never has a love interest ('cept when she wants to get laid, which usually results in a pile of groaning men with crushed pelivises piled on top of each other outside her room), and is feared throughout the cape community.

Writing a Strong Independent Female character that's likable is kind of like writing a Nazi character that's likable. It's not about the strength, independence or goose-stepping, it's about making them enjoyable for the viewer. Sure, a Nazi is a horrible person, but in fiction, if you can make someone enjoyable (not morally good, note that) to watch, then you have done a great job.

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>Oh boy has writing female characters become a landmine these days
>these days
>Post miss bellum
>A character from 20 years ago
>One that to this day no one has complained about, at least not without being outed as a retard with no taste

It would really help your argument if you posted a character from "These days" that you think is a well writen strong independent woman that also triggers anti-SJWs

I think he posted her because the new show deemed her problematic and cut her.

No anti-SJWs flip their shit over the mere appearance of a woman, UNLESS she acts as their mouthpiece.

I disagree. The problem is that the West doesn't actually utilize feminine power when writing strong female characters. It desexes them and grafts a fake penis on them. Western SFC's are essentially chimeras that combine all the worst aspects of both genders and none of the good ones. Simply put they aren't women.

There are exceptions however, even here - Starfire, Raven, Star Butterfly come to mind first.

But contrast all of that with how Japan does it.

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>have a strong independent character who happens to be female
>never bring up real world politics
>never force any sort of real world agenda
10/10 female character anti-sjw's have no reason to hate besides being female

>But contrast all of that with how Japan does it.

Making submissive weak character that are a copy paste of a dying japanese archetype?

I got you, fuckboi.

You certainly can't avoid NOT making it a Mary Sue if you wanna please he SJW's

Good point. The modern western mindset of writing strong female characters seems to have this theme of disregarding a woman's femininity. I do still think that making a character enjoyable to watch is still one of the most important things to keep in mind.

Pic of Strong Female character that I would consider to be enjoyable

>Sure, a Nazi is a horrible person
Nice bait. Unless your naziphobic, in which case stop being such a bigot.

Youre*

Also, I like you, and I want to send you to the great salt mine... for some fun times!

You've activated my trap card.

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>I do still think that making a character enjoyable to watch is still one of the most important things to keep in mind.

Of course. It's just that we always fuck it up due to our degenerate and sick cultural climate.

Think Berserk, think early Casca. She wasn't exactly a gentle flower or even feminine, yet she definitely wasn't a stronk womyn either. She felt real. SJW's and by proxy their slaves are only capable of the most vulgar, desexed, politicized creations that are paper thin and have no intrinsic value, because leftism doesn't understand value due to their worship of equality (mediocrity/blandness). In other words it's just like you said, you need a CHARACTER first, and a good one.

True dat... True dat, bro...

>because leftism

Where does this meme come from? The moral guardian style of SJWs comes off as more right-wing than anything, just a different sort of right-wing that runs counter to other forms of it.

It's a Sup Forums meme.

As for the OP, it doesn't matter what character you make, you're going to piss off somebody. Write whatever character you want, just make sure it's good & if the Anti-SJWs, SJWs, or whoever still wants to bitch like retards, then let them. You can't please everyone.

>without offending the anti-SJWs?

Nothing really offends Anti-SJWs. The only people who get offended these days are SJWs Feminists, PUAs, and MGTOWs.

Everyone, give your best shot! I'll start.

15 y.o. classy vamp school queen bee megalomaniac with attitude of bond villain and demeanor of spoiled princess. She is protagonist.

Sounds independent af for me, kek.

>PUAs, and MGTOWs.
Any more Acronym I should know of?

Sounds like I'd have to make a lot of porn of my new waifu.

>without offending the SJWs?
FTFU

your'e*

Holy shit fuck off in attempting to co-opt reasonable issues about your incessent political messaging.

All ideas are bad on paper user, execution is all that matters

>vamp
Like an actual vampire, or just the demeanor?

Firstly, focus on just writing a good character. Don't think of them as the 'female character', just think of them as a character who just happens to be female. Don't be overthinking who's going to approve of the character, just do your research and write a good character. Anti-SJW/alt-righters/whatever are going to get offended regardless, but try to write characters that don't feel like they're shoe-horned in, or like they're just checking off diversity check boxes. If you want diversity, include it because you WANT to, not because you feel like you have to, or it'll feel forced. I think, as I said, there are people who are going to get mad no matter what you do, but that's their problem. I think in general though, the reason why other people get annoyed is because a lot of writers create characters who feel forced (e.g. something like the new Mass Effect - the problem is not that they decided to include a lot of female characters/diversity/etc, it's how they went about it - it feels extremely forced in a somewhat aggressive way).

Secondly, for the love of god unless your story is about one or two people, include more than one female character so that all the expectations/criticism/etc isn't just put onto your singular female character. You can give your characters plenty of flaws and variation if you don't include just one of that type.

Pretty much this. Follow your heart at all that, you can't please everyone, nor should you try.

>anti-SJW
You mean, mentally sane people?

Ms bellum was removed from NuPPGs because they thought she wasn't progressive enough

>Nothing really offends Anti-SJWs.
It's cute you believe this.

>these days easily offended people seem to have become the norm on the internet.
I would've ignore this comment if this was posted three days ago but recently I join a irc room for creating SCP (creative writing group basically) and within the first two days I got kicked twice and "warned" due to literally nothing because people thought I was being rude. Fucking depressing when you can't even express yourself in a group that was meant to be for creative writers because they are blind to the context and see everything that doesn't fit with their own opinions as rude.

Ironically the SCP project started from Sup Forums /x/ board of all places.

Yes, it's possible.

I think you should go ahead and take a gander at Sup Forums and see just how horribly wrong you are.

>Literally getting offended by the OP

>mentally sane
Yeah, because places like Sup Forums & Sup Forums are mentally stable.

Actual vampire will be too much I guess.

simple answer: No.
They are petty as the SJW.

Damn it is sad.

Well, at least we can watch shows without getting nam flashbacks.

>I would've ignore this comment if this was posted three days ago but recently I join a irc room for creating SCP (creative writing group basically) and within the first two days I got kicked twice and "warned" due to literally nothing because people thought I was being rude.
Kek, you got booted from site19? What'd you do, talk politics and shit?

Whatever helps you sleep at night, my nigga

fucking whore was stronger than men she should just have been the camp whore I know a better script she's got chaps on and no teeth like whores should have lol and then when you need some smut you have the men rape her maybe you have to slit her hamstrings so she doesnt run whores shouldn't have choices just like in the real world if men weren't crippled by the liberals

>This thread

>it's soooooo hard

It really isn't.

Actually you'd get a lot more mileage out of her actually being a vampire, otherwise you just described like a third of every teen girl YA novel antagonist.

Funny thing is I can't tell if you're being ironic, or you're just an actual Sup Forumstard

Ebin meme, my man

Nope not even that. I hate that kind of discussion and honestly hate the mods on there with their double standards that expect people to respect their opinions when they can't even respect that people may have opinions that spot on with theirs.

It was literally over nothing. They keep claiming that I was making bad jokes or some shit. All of my comments were completely Innocent and if anything was extremely polite. I guess they can't handle the fact that nice people can exist on the internet.

Why? Because they're evil and evil people are right-wing?
It's all about positioning. Aligning yourself with "progress" and "the right side of history" is socially left.

>perpetuating the SJW meme
fuck off, Sup Forums

JUst make them a cute loli. Boom problem solved OP.

>muh anti-SJWs
>Posts character who was removed by Nushit reboot

What did the braindead SJW mean by this?

>muh SJWs
OP said absolutely nothing that showed he was an SJW, you paranoid idiot.

Anti-SJW spam is literally isolated only to internet comments. It's the most ignorable thing in the universe.
At least with SJW's you've got something to complain about, actual harrassment and strongarming.

>anti-SJW meme
>Not a SJW

I think the better question would be
>Is it possible to design a strong independent women character today without offending the SJWs?

I laughed my ass off when feminists got offended at Bayonetta.

She's literally their ideal woman and they got triggered by her
>strong
>independent
>a mother
>confident with her own body
>wears whatever the fuck she wants
>short hair
omg so triggering sexism mysoginist

>Anyone who mocks anti-SJWs is an SJW!
I repeat, you're a braindead idiot

I wonder if the problem with Western female characters is that creators try too hard. Maybe they should try to find a balance between gender stereotype, willful personality, and uniqueness.

I can understand being disdainful of SJWs, but why is it that there are many Anti-Whatevers are so obnoxious and zealous that they end up adopting the very vices that their opponents have? We have the racists, who are opposed by the Anti-racists, who then become SJWs, who are then opposed by Anti-SJWs, who then become the Alt-Right, and those guys are opposed by Anti-Alt-Rightists, who will likely mutate into something else.
I think Nietzsche was onto something. How many layers of outrage are we on?

bait

At this point, I would take any advice Sup Forums has than some faggot like you.

>actual harrassment and strongarming
Yeah anti-sjws NEVER EVER do ANYTHING like that.

Calling out SJW bullshit has been a thing for years, Sup Forumsmblr.

>If you've got a problem with SJWs you're the enemy, SHITLORD

SJWs & anti-SJWs are some of the most easily triggered people on Earth. There is honestly no point in trying to please them or worry about not offending them.

Because everyone wants to fight & complain over something these days. Whether it's about "cis white male scum," or "fucking niggers reee," people just wanna fight over shit these days.

>Sup Forumsmblr!
>more SJW reeing
You're embarrassing yourself at this point. Go outside & seek sunlight

It's hard to prove any anti movement is doing anything big. They're only defined by their opposition to SJW. Anything that isn't a complaint on the internet isn't going to register as part of that.

Sort of ingenious really, spinning anyone in opposition to yourself as part of a special anti-you movement. It makes them far easier to dismiss. If anyone ever calls you out on creating a toxic atmosphere, you can just turn it back on them. It is in fact they who are creating a toxic atmosphere, after all, they're adding to all the anti-you spam.

>SJWs & anti-SJWs are some of the most easily triggered people on Earth. There is honestly no point in trying to please them or worry about not offending them.
They are like those snakes from the never ending story. As long as they eat each other, the world is stable.

Nothing that actually affects anything, no, they don't.

>Where does this meme come from?
Maoisim. The Cultural Revolution. Stalin's cultural policies.


> The moral guardian style of SJWs comes off as more right-wing than anything, just a different sort of right-wing that runs counter to other forms of it.

You're confusing right with authoritarianism. Authoritarianism is very popular with both the right and the left worldwide.

They're affecting my ability to post about trans-normative ally-ship on Sup Forums.

Basically. All the while both sides are saying "I'M NOT THE PROBLEM, IT'S THE OTHER ONE!"

It's quite hilarious/sad, desu.

Maybe. I see the point here. I am afraid it could be cheesy this way though.

The basic idea was to transform an antagonist to the protagonist. Give her a realistic motivation like gathering own corporation or something, counterpose her to magical girls with supernatural powers.

Good.

>Why? Because they're evil and evil people are right-wing?

No, its as I said, they are moral authoritarians. Which is quite squarely on the right side of the political spectrum. Even if they are economic left. If they were not demanding rules and laws based on their views, they would be more on the libertarian side.

If SJWs were religious conservatives but held the same social and economic views, they would be called right wingers. People referring to them as leftists only refer to them as such because they tend to be economic center-of-left. People calling them leftists are, ironically, using "cultural marxist" tactics to try to defame left economics by associating it with things they don't like, the SJWs.

The term "cultural Marxism" itself is also like that, trying to tie in SJWs with marxism as a way of discrediting Marxism by using alleged cultural Marxist type tactics, ironically.

Like OP?

I don't understand why some people resort to harassment. All it does is make their opponent look like a martyr and themselves look like the bad guys. Harassers and violent protestors sometimes end up interrupting their opponent's fuck up, so they end up missing openings to criticize.

Anger has a tendency to make people do destructive and stupid things. Cooler heads must prevail.
I'm not going to pretend that both are equally bad or identical, but I am not going to pretend that either side is pure or ultimately good. Follow the ideals, not the idols or the tribe, and I believe that one's wisdom and rationality will be enhanced.

Maybe I'm a dumb optimist, but isn't Salon considered shit even by other SJWs? Or at least other Left-leaning people?

I think the problem here is that people see "anti-SJW" everywhere. Whereas nobody thinks of themselves as "anti-SJW". Only against SJWs.
Like here , if you think of one group of people as this monolithic serpentine evil, aren't you anti- that group?

Did the OP say that only the anti-SJWs are shit?

I personally lean left (although I find SJWs to be fucking annoying) & I think Salon is a piece of shit.

>Funny thing is I can't tell if you're being ironic, or you're just an actual Sup Forumstard

Don't call people that if you're not going to put in the legwork to identify them properly. More likely they're r9k or a run of the mill pervert.

I read enough japanese to follow some of the artists, and it's even more hilarious because of the accusations that Bayonetta was just there for porn. We have LOADS of evidence of what Japanese people love in porn, and Bayonetta is not that high on the list.

And, from the mouth of the character designer herself, she's modeled after couture fashion runway models, which has loads of women are very much targeting women as well. She's tall and angular, with a strong focus on line.

I perceive the problem is that many creators percieve that it's a "role model deficit", and are trying to use their characters for progress, putting the ideology first before anything else, and the result is like a chick tract.


>How many layers of outrage are we on?
You are like a little baby. Watch this: We have full on antifa comic book companies now with Black Mask.

There's nothing inherently left about authoritarianism.
Libertarianism isn't any less right-wing than religious fundementalism, even though they have nothing in common they're categorized the same because they're not progressivist.

>Bayonetta
>short hair
>wat

>More likely they're r9k or a run of the mill pervert
Is it really that big of a difference from poltards?

>SJWs become so annoying that anti-SJWs were created.
Why we didn't got anti-bronies?
If we got them, we hate them too?

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Anti-bronies where why they got their own board.

If you don't like brony posting, you're an anti-brony.
Same with SJW's.

I thought they requested it.

It's been proven multiple times that you can't appease these people and their fucking anti-taste because they don't genuinely care about fictional characters, they hardly enjoy the fucking medium. If they were genuinely interested in these kinds of things they would be voicing an opinion on infinitely more pressing issues currently plaguing the industry and not muh representashun

>if she's thin it's size-shaming/ unrealistic
>if she's fat it's size-shaming
>if she's handicapped it's ableist
>if she's physically fit it's size-shaming/ unrealistic
>if she's feminine it's gender stereotyping
>if she's (legitimately) masculine it's unrealistic
>if she's well-endowed it's sexist
>if she's nonsexual in every way, shape and form imaginable they'll write porn for her

They want a mary-sue character that can do anything, is hideous and dripping with fucking nerd culture (while simultaneously pursuing nothing even remotely similar to it) and is so fucking bipolar it makes the faggot behind the EGS shooting look like a rational individual.

So no; it isn't fucking possible.

/r9k/*
FTFY

>Bonus points if its a colored woman like a black or Spaniard
Spaniards are white, no?

No, it's because they were so incredibly cancerous that they HAD to have their own board and could only post there.
They were so bad that had a global rule put in place, newfag.

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