Does Sup Forums prefer organic or mechanical webshooters?

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Either or, but if I had to choose, I'd go with mechanical.

Mechanical for Peter. Don't give a fuck about it for the other spider heroes. And when I say mechanical, I mean full on mechanical. No half-and-half shit where he harvests the fluid from his own body or makes nozzles that plug into his spinneret arm holes to help him shot web, none of that shit.

If you think otherwise you're a dumb faggot who doesn't get Spider-Man.

Sure.

Completely mechanical.

Organic.

>steel nipple

I like the combination, actually. He can naturally generate the fluid but requires some sort of apperatus to concentrate and shoot it.

Mechanical all the way

Mechanical webshooters are better.

However I do like the microhairs on fingertips for adhesion more than molecular bonding or whatever.

Mechanical. Peter has to show he's smart somehow.

>Mechanical. Peter has to show he's smart somehow.
Yep. Any story that removes the mechanical web shooter elements tend to also remove his genius elements.

I like mechanical web shooters from a mere design perspective because it makes Peter being a scientist part of the characters powers, otherwise Spiderman is all mutant

People should also remember that with the web shooters, Peter chose his identity as Spider-Man. He could have been any kind of hero just with the powers he got from the bite, but he made them all his own and made the spider theme. If he already had webs, even ones that needed an apparatus to shoot properly, then he loses that.

Peter wasn't made into Spider-Man, HE made Spider-Man.

>who doesn't get it

gives a bit more edge to the whole jonah jameson thing, doesn't it?

What did you mean by this?

kill youself you shit eating faggot you just don't get it.

>doesn't understand spiderman
>only acknowledges one
kill yourself you self important Parker fag

Not quite. I don't care about whether it's organic or mechanical for other spider heroes because I don't feel that it's as important to their characters. When I clarified that I was talking about Peter at the start of the post, from context you should understand that when I say "Spider-Man" at the end I am still talking about Peter, AKA Spider-Man.

Side note, it's funny that you seem to care so much about other spider-men and yet neglect to hyphenate Spider-Man.

>one guy creates his superhero identity and makes mechanical enhancements for his alterego
>some fag decides to copy him because gotta have 'spiderman 2: it's not black spiderman just spiderman'
legacy characters are shit

>caring enough to spell thing correctly outside of working in the industry
you have a lot more patience than I do, I can tell you that much

Both.

He is spider-man, I like the idea of him experimenting his own body and creating better equipment.

And explaining how he got web without using "he invented out of nowhere".

Pretty sure he was talking about Ben, Miguel, Kaine, and maybe the female spider heroes as well. There's a lot.

>And explaining how he got web without using "he invented out of nowhere".
What's wrong with an inventor inventing something? He got the idea from being bitten by a spider.

>Ben, Miguel, Kaine
>and maybe the female spider
all shit
>lol I'ma just try to do exactly what this guy is doing but be shitty at it because I'm his legacy lmao like I'm spiderman, spiderdude prime is a fag

You're trying too hard, user. And also showing that you don't know anything about the characters. Low quality bait, all in all.

I prefer organic because it makes sense that if he has all the other powers of a spider he should have webs too.

>Lol it should come out of his butt then
His powers haven't ever lined up exactly with a Spider, no reason to start now.

I like the "flexibility" of the web fluid to be able to do cool things, but as writers have shown time and time again his webshooters are generally plot crutches so that villains can get away with things.

First three storylines in Brand New Day and the villain escapes or wins because Peter runs out of web fluid. Recent fight against Osborn he turned Peter's webshooters off. He's had them crushed in fights so that he can't use them. On and on.

Miguel's backstory is literally that he tried to be spiderman

>What's wrong with an inventor inventing something? He got the idea from being bitten by a spider.

1. Everybody got organic webbing 2. He is teenager, he shouldn't be doing this. 3. I didn't say artificial webs can't exist.

Organic.
But only when they're in the anatomically correct place.

>Everybody got organic webbing
Ben, Miles, and Gwen don't have it either. Also Peter came first, not after. Unless you want to retcon him into having organic to line up with characters that came from him, this isn't much of a point. It would still be a stupid point though.

>He is teenager, he shouldn't be doing this.
Doing what, making gadgets or being a vigilante? One is more acceptable than the other.

>I didn't say artificial webs can't exist.
Then what's the problem?

>Ben
>Not great
Get the fuck out of my face. The Parker Brothers was a great idea that was squandered.

I liked the idea of organic however at the end of the day the mechanical gadget based ones have to win the day due to

a) having a known limited supply (vs a potentially unknown limited supply)

and most importantly

b) WAY more things it can do. The gadget based web shooters can fire webs in all sorts of different patterns and combinations but also use different formula based webs for different enemies.

>Doing what, making gadgets or being a vigilante? One is more acceptable than the other.

I mean, I get it, He is smart. But, making up a invention only weeks after getting bitten by a spider is strange.

>Ben, Miles, and Gwen don't have it either. Also Peter came first, not after. Unless you want to retcon him into having organic to line up with characters that came from him, this isn't much of a point. It would still be a stupid point though.

I mean it already happen in comics and it is canon. Peter got organic and mechanic webbing.

>Then what's the problem?

I did say I prefer both. I prefer the artificial coming after the organic.

Mechanic web shooter. I really like the idea o "instinctive invention". As in his instincts helped him invent it. Also, establishing that normal people can't actually hold on to a string of web is really important.

Organic is way cooler in my opinion, makes it more uniquely Spiderman to me.

Organic because it's the only spider power that actually makes sense.

I understand that Peter would lose his "genius" element but if you have to make such aburdities just to prove he's smart, then it's a charater trait that isn't supposed to be there.

You can prove he's smart with... y'know, plot.

>But, making up a invention only weeks after getting bitten by a spider is strange.
Not really. He's a super genius, one of the smartest characters in the Marvel universe. He just never had many chances to properly pursue science, and when he had those chances he invented lots of high tech stuff.

>I mean it already happen in comics and it is canon. Peter got organic and mechanic webbing.
He got organic webbing after the Other. Which was retconned.

>He got organic webbing after the Other. Which was retconned.

Actually, They did mention he got organic webbing in spider-island.

All I remember is him mentioning to Carlie to load up on starches and fluids or something if she wants to build up internal webbing faster. Either way, he doesn't have organic webbing anymore.

Mechanical, but organic makes more sense, spiders don't have "spider sense", they make webs.

This is Marvel, where you don't need superpowers to make advanced weaponry at age 9.

He was 15.

Everybody gets one.

>web shooters
>an absurdity
What? And he does prove that he's smart in other ways, all the time. And he doesn't need organic webs to reinforce being Spider-Man. He chose the identity for himself, which is something that has actually been brought up.

I like organic shooters more, except with Peter, I like him having mechanical webshooters.

A teenager making Nobel prize tier, revolutionary devices overnight in his room IS absurd and not in the "this is a fantasy reality" flavor of it. It's more like a huge asspull.

I wouldn't go back and change the '60s comic of course, but if I had to make a new Peter origin reboot or something, I'd scrap the shooters and have him be smart in other ways.

Mechanical.

Euh... that's technically shitting, isn't it?

Web shooters aren't revolutionary. They wouldn't even be revolutionary in the real world, let alone in Marvel. For starters, Peter's webs dissolve after an hour. That wasn't intentional, he couldn't get them to hold for longer. When Otto took over as Superior Spider-Man, he's the one who made them able to last longer. Secondly, I don't see how they have any unique appliances that would make them so incredibly amazing and worthy of a Nobel prize. Care to explain that one to me?

Mechanical all the way.

Are you seriously too dense to realize I wasn't specifically talking about Peter?

Are you saying that an all-powerful glue that can hold several tons as a tiny string wouldn't have any industrial or scientific applications?

On one hand, mechanical helps show off Peter's genius.

On the other, without organic, outside of clinging to walls, Spider-man really doesn't have too many abilities that are exactly associated with spiders.

"Steel Nipple" sounds like a Crimson Chin villain

Organic: Peter Parker has developed entire clusters of glands that can spit sticky fluid without fucking up his metabolism too much and without deforming hus arms in a horrible manner.

Mechanical: In his high school, Peter Parker was smarter then any scientist in the world and managed to invent his web liquid and delivery system from the scratch.

Organic seems more plausible.

Is that super important though? Would Batman be better if he had bat powers?

>"makes sense"

Powers that are specifically spider-themes take away Peter's agency in becoming Spider-Man and dilute the character traits that were born from this setup (quick to assume, resourceful and inventive when inspired, sentimental, etc). May as well give Batman natural flight.

No, because there are already devices for that that are better suited for the job. While webbing can hold a lot, it can also be burned, cut, and it would be dangerous because of how it would stretch and bounce around anything suspended by it. And as I said, when Peter made it it had the weakness of dissolving after one hour. Too unreliable for any kind of industrial work. And I don't know what you mean by scientific applications.

>And I don't know what you mean by scientific applications.
NASA etc

You're going to have to be more specific.

>glue that only lasts one hour that only one guy in the world can handle.

It would fill a very small niche, and we already have processes in place for things like temp binding and such. It's like creating paintballs that can move at high speeds but exert the force of a shoulder tap. Useful in exactly one situation, but unless you can rework the entire concept it won't be terribly ubiquitous.

Like, the only thing web fluid is good for is casts, and even then it's a substandard impromptu implementation.

This is Marvel.
Franklin Richards exists.
There is no cap on children's ingenuity here.

also a fair arguement, I really do lean more towards mechanical shooters, but it does almost make one wonder about if the spider-bite is important?

Who the fuck am I kidding? in this era of 'oh-so-clever-subversion-and-ridicule' of the capeshit genre, the eternal embrace of Spider-man's powers being from a radioactive spiderbite is practically pleasant compared to more convoluted attempts to explain.

As a side note, I'm kind of surprised no one's written a Genius Pete where he has a youtube channel like these guys:

youtube.com/user/everettbradford/videos

youtube.com/user/AnselmoFanZero/videos

At least before he becomes spider-man.

Webbing holds up terribly in cold temperatures, so it wouldn't be good for space. There was a whole story where Peter was fucked over by a blizzard messing up his webs.

The power coming from the spider is fine, but the expectation that his powers are inherently spider-themed sicks.

Falling into a chemical vat doesn't make you Vat Man.

Why are you disregarding usage of web fluid for crime fighting purposes? Thats what spider man uses them for. Just package them up in a little gun and you got yourself a totally non lethal taser substitute. Heck, you wouldnt even need to give cops regular guns any more they would be so effective.

No, but it does make your enemy bat man

>Falling into a chemical vat doesn't make you Vat Man.
Now that was a good one, user.

It is hard to say. Mechanical gives him more flashy options but organic ties into his powers better. If I wanted a better story, I would say organic. If I wanted better action, mechanical.

Mechanical is the only way.

The webbing can be cut and burned, the fluid isn't cheap eve for smaller batches, and in colder temperatures it's just useless. It wouldn't work so well as a mass produced substitute for already established law enforcement equipment. Not to mention other possibilities like how criminals would prepare for it by just getting their hands on the dissolving agent that would be made alongside it.

Peter has magic PamSol laced hands.
Most people don't.

Combine the fact that people simply cannot unstick themselves from it and this shit is apparently dirt cheap to make, and you have a worldwide epidemic of cheaper, more deadly guns (suffocation) that don't even leave a trace.

>isn't cheap
Relatively.
It's cheaper than rent in Queens, as there are times Pete can't pony up but has just enough for some webs.

Mechanical.

Also no Spider-Totem, Spider-God nonsense, fuck that noise

>criminals would prepare for it by just getting their hands on the dissolving agent
seriously?

Not that user, but if the fluid was more widely used the dissolving agent would be more widely used as well. It would take only one super villain reverse engineering it to undo all the good it could do. It would turn gunfights into games where the bad guys kept 'reviving' downed teammates.

>It would take only one super villain reverse engineering it to undo all the good it could do.
It wouldn't. That's like expecting every petty criminal to carry all sorts of useful gear as well as kevlar vests. Heck, even Spidey's arch-enemies don't use it and you'd imagine they'd have figured out by now.

I prefer organic. It feels weird to me that all of Peter's spider powers are organic, except the web.

Mechanical sucks balls, what's the point of peter being spiderman, being bitten by a spider if he doesn't have any spider powers besides climbing on walls, he might as well be called tree-frog man.
Like I get that he's supposed to be smart and all, but does that mean he has to be some kind of super genius who can pull amazing world shattering inventions out of his ass?
To me it just makes him seem like a marry sue, not only is he super buff and strong and honorable and funny and brave he's also a genius inventor, I thought the whole point of spider man is that he's more grounded, he's one of us, except he's got super powers, with his super intelligence he could already have been a super hero even before the spider incident. Also there's enough mega geniuses in Marvel, spiderman being an amazing inventor adds basically nothing to his character.

Your right! just like in real life where every criminal wears a bullet proof vest and electrically insulating suit! Silly me, of course the webs would be useless.

I like the idea of mechanical shooters, but the webs being produced organically. A bonus would be if they were produced at the anatomically correct area and peter would have to find time/privacy to harvest from it.

Webbing pound for pound is the most durable material on earth you retard, if you had spider webbing as thick as a rope I can tell you you would have a hell of a hard time cutting or burning it. There's also no other material as flexible and light for that durability.

>and it would be dangerous because of how it would stretch and bounce around anything suspended by it
Yeah that's why spiders use it all the time for everything they do, because it's so dangerous

>when Peter made it it had the weakness of dissolving after one hour
He could adjust it so that wouldn't happen, easily

>He could adjust it so that wouldn't happen, easily

The rhetorical gymnastics in defense of mechanical shooters always amaze me

Mechanical when he's young then mutate into organic when he's older

>he thinks spidey's only abilities are webbing and climbing walls
fuck summer

This.

you're dodging it and it's pathetic

Organic is retarded. Mechaninc is less retarded.

>what's the point of peter being spiderman, being bitten by a spider if he doesn't have any spider powers besides climbing on walls
You could try scrolling up and reading the multiple arguments made for this in this very thread.

Peter chose to be Spider-Man. That's essential to his character.

>Webbing pound for pound is the most durable material on earth you retard
Do you have a source for that? Because a cursory google search says that it isn't even stronger than steel, let alone all the other things you claimed.

>Yeah that's why spiders use it all the time for everything they do, because it's so dangerous
This isn't even a rebuttal.

>He could adjust it so that wouldn't happen, easily
And do you have a source for that? The one hour tidbit literally comes from a page explaining why Peter couldn't sell the webbing as an industrial adhesive, implying that he already tried to adjust it.

>seriously?
Yes, seriously. Unless it's some petty thief doing a mugging or robbing a store. Serious criminals would in fact prepare for it, and other criminals would sell bootleg dissolving agents.

I always thought mechanical was cooler. The fact that Peter's most spider-themed feature is his own invention adds to his mystique.

In the final analysis, I have to go for mechanical because of this.

I'm OK with organic, but having him actually build something makes him more than a schlub with themed powers.

Looks like a resounding victory for mechanical this time around.

No fuck that.

Mechanical is fucking stupid.

Only having two super powers is gay.

As a kid I preferred organic, because it used to piss me off when he ran out all the time in the cartoon. Now I prefer mechanical, since it shows off his super-science side.

neither

fuck webshooters, pic related is where it's at.