>MARVEL LEGACY #1
>JASON AARON (W) • ESAD RIBIC (A)
>DOUBLE GATEFOLD COVER BY JOE QUESADA
>Wraparound Variant Cover by MARK BROOKS
>Variant Cover by ALEX ROSS
>Variant Cover by GREG LAND
>TRADING CARD VARIANT COVER BY JOHN TYLER CHRISTOPHER
>BLACK AND WHITE VARIANT COVER BY JOE QUESADA
>BLACK AND WHITE VARIANT COVER BY ALEX ROSS
>YOUNG VARIANT COVER BY SKOTTIE YOUNG
>VARIANT COVER BY AMY REEDER
>EVERYTHING STARTS HERE! It begins at the dawn of the human race, and ends with a child’s prayer! In between, empires fall, mysteries brew, secrets are revealed, quests are undertaken and legends are forged! All leading up to the dramatic return you’ve been waiting for — and one you’ve been dreading!
>Jason Aaron (MIGHTY THOR) and Esad Ribic (SECRET WARS) usher in a new dawn — one whose rays will touch every corner of the Marvel Universe in the days to come!
>MARVEL LEGACY: It’s everything you’ve been longing for — and more!
>64 PGS./ON-SHOT/Rated T+ …$5.99
AHAHAHAHA What the fuck? Eight variants? Six bucks for 64 pages? Fucking Cavengers? This thing is going to bomb harder can Secret Empire.
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>This thing is going to bomb harder can Secret Empire.
It's just a one-shot. Not like it selling poorly would really effect much of anything.
Considering how much they're pushing it right there in that solicit:
>EVERYTHING STARTS HERE!
>Jason Aaron and Esad Ribic usher in a new dawn
>one whose rays will touch every corner of the Marvel Universe in the days to come
>It’s everything you’ve been longing for — and more!
It selling poorly would not fare well for the rest of Marvel's line spinning out of this. This is setting the stage both for their Generations event and a number of relaunches.
Imagine if DC Universe Rebirth had sold like shit, all the Rebirth one-shots and new #1's would not have sold nearly as well despite DCU Rebirth being "just a one-shot".
>the dramatic return you’ve been waiting for — and one you’ve been dreading!
Thoughts on who the two might be?
I'm thinking FF as the awaited return, and then Cyclops as the 'dreaded', because they'll bring him back as a full villain.
The awaited return will be either Thor, Cap or Tony, I think. Remember, all of them are technically "gone" right now, with Thor not being worthy, Cap being HydraCap and Tony being like dead or something.
It could be the FF but I'm not holding out for that because the general theme of this whole thing seems to be talking about change without actually changing anything.
Wolverine.
TYE BEYONDER.
Based
Making it $5.99 is a mistake. They should have made it $2.99 like DC Universe: Rebirth, if they want it to be a big seller.
Looks interesting.
Neither return will be a genuinely anticipated or dreaded return.
This is Marvel.
>CAVEVENGERS CAVEVENGERS CAVEVENGERS CAVEVENGERS
This is gonna become the new copypasta meme, isn't it?
>This thing is going to bomb harder can Secret Empire.
Secret Empire isn't bombing. All three issues that were out in May are in the top ten in terms of sales.
>comichron.com
I mean, it's still shit, but it's shit that is selling.
They're going to try and bring back Cyclops as a villain but botch the job like they always do and the readers will all still be on his side.
Its going to be a masterpiece like secret empire. Stay salty image fan.
Yeah cant wait.
Secret Empire #1 (157,517) dropped in sales from Secret Empire #0 (162,718). Sales generally massively increases in between those two, such as with Civil War #0 (177,283) to Civil War #1 (381,737). Secret Empire #2 (100,983) is already selling lower than the last issue of Civil War II #8 (105,658).
Keep in mind that Civil War II was considered a sales disappointment. Not only is Secret Empire selling basically 1/3rd of Civil War II, it's also been extended to 10 issues instead of 8.
Secret Empire is bombing hard and it's taking Marvel along for the ride. And Legacy doesn't look like it'll turn things around. If anything, it'll likely make it worse.
That's not a "bomb". It's a disappointment given how events are expected to blow the sales of everything else out of the water and bring in thousands of new readers, but it's still making a lot of money relative to other books.
Being a bomb implies it LOSES money.
rich the rat said marvel has confirmed it's not gonna be the fantastic four.
Maybe they shouldn't have made their lead book of their relaunch shitty CAVENGERS!!!!
>No Star Wars crossover
>No Miracleman crossover
>No Kingdom Hearts crossover
>No original Fantastic Four return
>No OMD being undone
>$6
Such a dispointment....
Not selling as much as they hoped is not the same thing as it being a bomb.
>Secret Empire #1 (157,517) dropped in sales from Secret Empire #0 (162,718).
That's probably because Secret Empire #0 was included with Funko's Marvel Collector Corps box so the sales on it were higher than usual (this happened with other comics included in that subscription box).
The hilarity is because they chose #0 (they couldn't use #1 because the box needed to be out sooner) the sales ended up making it look like #1 had a drop in sales.
Not selling as much as hoped by a massive amount is the definition of a bomb.
You are fucking stupid.
>In the motion picture industry, a "box office bomb" or "box office flop" is a film that is considered highly unsuccessful or unprofitable during its theatrical run, often following significant hype regarding its cost, production, or marketing efforts. Generally, any film for which the production and marketing costs exceed the combined revenue recovered after release is considered to have "bombed".
It's not a sales bomb (at this time, at least), but it's not a good thing in the same way Amazing Spider-Man 2's box office was not a good thing.
Exactly and I don't think Marvel realizes how bothered people are about the amount of pages we're getting for six bucks.
People at my shop, some of them are pretty big Marvel fans, are livid about this.
Not seeing what the big deal is. Not great, not terrible. $6 for 64 pages isn't completely unreasonable either
I swear some of you faggots are paid to make these kinds of threads. But no, sadly the latest hottest way to fit in around here is to shit on Marvel regardless of what they do just to fit in. Also, autistic company war mentality thanks to Sup Forums.
inb4 shill
Two years go Secret Wars #1 sold 527,678. Thats basically four times the sales of Secret Empire, which itself is selling almost a third of the very disappointing sales of Civil War II. It's been beat in sales by a Batman/Flash crossover, a regular Superman issue and now a regular Batman issue. On top of all the negative press it's gotten. Anyone that says a 75% and 60% drop in sales from previous events followed by fan and retailer outcry to change things isn't a bomb is delusional.
Also
>movie analogy
LOL I see who I'm talking to now.
>>>/reddit/
It's introducing Miracleman
I'm surprised anyone expected anything different when issues of CW2 and SE have all been $4.99 for 30-48 pages.
Now you're just being retarded on purpose.
>Being a bomb implies it LOSES money.
You know Marvel uses the revenue from these events to finance themselves for the rest of the year, right? So yes, they're losing a ton of money.
This is suppose to be Marvel's "Rebirth".
And instead it's just a shitty 'what if' that Axel found lying around and decided to lie and say it was bigger than Jesus and selling it at $6.
But then they might not be able to afford writing talent like Margaret Stohl, Rainbow Rowell, and Kate Leth or artists like Eisner Award Winner Erica Henderson!
Go away, Brevoort
It's so bad that some comic book shops are giving Legacy away for free to subscribers and cutting the price for shelfs just so Marvel fans don't run away.
This comic shop owner is doing more for the fans and the industry than Marvel Comics is doing. He actually cares about comics and cares even more about his customers.
Marvel Comics hate their fans more than the holocaust and will do anything to swindle them for shekels. They do not care about comics.
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>I'm gonna sell Marvel at a loss, maybe that'll teach them
ohshitniggerwhatareyoudoing.tiff
No one wants to pay Six Dollars for a shitty Cavengers elseworld just for a shitty spoiler at the end. It's not even 82 pgs.
This is the only way to get people to buy the book.
His option is either sell at full price to his dwindling Marvel readerbase and watch them leave enmasse or sell at a loss to get comics to his customers in the hopes that most of them stick around and continue to buy some or any other Marvel. It's not hard to understand.
Well maybe he shouldn't get people to buy the book then? Maybe he should get people to buy books that are actually decent? As long as retailers act like battered housewives giving their abusive drunk of a husbant one "last" chance after another, Marvel will never change their tactics.
>Well maybe if retailers ignore a publisher who accounts for 40% of their business they'll do better.
This is bad. Speaking as a person that survived the crossing, heroes reborn and the clone saga, it's fucking NIGHT, dark as it's ever been. Any character they are bringing back in the hands of Aaron makes me shudder. Imagine this fucking goof introducing Miracleman.? At least with Ribic it will look good.
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I'm honestly starting to think that Marvel Comics is trying to crash the comic industry (again). That it's some plan by Ike to destroy tge industry knowing Disney will bail Marvel Comics out no matter what.
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What is marvel doing?
I'd just like to say that the one simpleton that's trying to make the name Cavengers stick is deluded. It doesn't sound good or read well and has to be one of the saddest things I've ever seen on Sup Forums.
Umad, Aaron?
Maybe you should have come up with a better concept than Cavengers, bitch.
>implying writers are the ones coming up with ideas in Marvel nowadays
Jason Aaron is a total loser, never wrote one comic worth picking up. Shame, I was kind of optimistic about this when it was announced.
>Not like it selling poorly would really effect much of anything.
Especially since it costs so much
Wouldn't be surprised if it made more money than the Rebirth oneshot desu
They are. Bendis came up with Miles and Reeree. Slott came up with JackalBen. Aaron came up with War Thor. And so on and so on.
Jason Aaron has written some good stuff. At DC. Like most writers.
I'm not Aaron - who is, by the way, a bad enough writer to think cavengers is clever. Maybe not, tho' - it is fucking moronic after all. Proof of declining education standards I suppose.
>All leading up to the dramatic return you’ve been waiting for — and one you’ve been dreading!
>The one you've been dreading!
Oh god...they're bringing back Ron Perelman!
>Wouldn't be surprised if it made more money than the Rebirth oneshot
It's $5.99 for 64 pages and 8 variants. Of course it's going to make more than the Rebirth special. Which was $2.99 for 80 pages and no variants.
There's just no way in hell Legacy will do for the entire line what the Rebirth special did for DC's. The only thing it's going to do is sow even more bitterness from the readers and retailers.
Pretty much all writers' creator owned is better than their capeshit
Does that mean if Bendis went creator owned he'd actually write good books again? Or is he the exception that proves the rule?
Bendis has creater-owned titles.
Oh yeah, I forgot about Powers.
>they are coming up with characters
>Spider-Man, Iron-Man, Jackal, Thor
>Plantain flavored Nigglet, Deep Dish Chicago Niggress, Clone wars 2, Cancer whore Thor/ PTSD Volstagg with Ultimate Thor hammer
That's some exciting new IP right there
Do you like Bendis or are you asking Sup Forums's opinion on whether or not you should like him?
I don't know man, Grant Morrison's creater owned is not nearly as strong as his cape work. Hickman has great creator owned stuff but he spend most of his time doing FF/Ultimate Universe/Avengers that seems way stronger to me. It depends on taste
I think he's saying that he's a lapsed Bendis fan, and would like to return to the days where Bendis wasn't shit.
It's kind of strange, that dude for all his problems dragged the avengers back to relevancy. He just should never have been allowed to stay on the title for 10 years. His creator owned work is rancid lately. Scarlet and United States of Murder Inc. were toilet worthy
I liked his Daredevil run. Not so much anything after that. He's got his head shoved too far up his own ass. Maybe Defenders will be good, but I read most of the first issue and don't have high hopes. Wasting a page long panel on Matt hearing something that doesn't even fucking matter? No. Wasting two pages on everyone arguing with Luke about Diamondback being alive? NO.
Wasting pages is a thing that's going to happen. Wait until the breakfast issue comes out. There's not a lot of checks and balances on him, he was the best selling writer for about 8 years straight during a time when they clawed back to market share dominance. He's got the pull to spit out whatever garbage he wants.
But here's the thing, sales are determined by the pre-orders. In the case of, say, Secret Empire, poor sales means that books that are tie-ing into it will have poor sales and poor initial sales mean the remaining issues will also sell poorly.
If this sells poorly then Marvel will have still gotten their money from the pre-orders so it won't affect Marvel one way or the other.
Not all, just most. I'd say Morrison and Ewing are two writers who are at their best when they're doing cape comics. Hell, throw Robinson into that list too. Generally, writers who make great use of continuity to enhance their comics are better in capes since there's so much continuity to work with whereas you're starting from square one for the most part on creator owned books.
Writers who generally go "fuck continuity" and do whatever the hell they want anyways work better in creator owned books because there, the continuity is what they make it and therefore there's nothing getting in their way to tell the exact story they want to tell.
His Avengers was horrible and one of the worst things to happen to comics.
Bendis is the kind of guy who took Watchmen completely at face-value and thus took the wrong message from it. He's the symbol of deconstructive comics in the modern day, the anti-Waid/Busiek. Which isn't necessarily inherently bad, see Warren Ellis, but Ellis works with capes mostly in universes that are built around being deconstructive like Wildstorm and when he does Marvel/DC work he doesn't do shit that's completely counter to the point of Marvel/DC.
Bendis works almost exclusively in Marvel and popularized edgy murderporn hero-vs-hero crap for like ten years. It's the epitome of stuff that's clearly embarrassed to be about superheroes.
I haven't read any of his creator-owned work, but I'd imagine it's a lot better. He's not a bad writer, or at least he wasn't before he became a lazy fuck, but his shit was so destructive and joyless. I can forgive the stuff with pet characters and the annoying dialogue because every writer has quirks, but the way he arbitrarily hates certain characters and decides to kill them or make them shit just so other people can't use them? Fuck that.
>but the way he arbitrarily hates certain characters and decides to kill them or make them shit just so other people can't use them? Fuck that.
It would be hilarious if a writer was also writing someone he hated and completely ignored everything Bendis was writing. Ya know, like how he ignores everything everyone else (sometimes including his own damn self) writes?
To the readers defense they botched Cyclops "being a villain" so much, that by the time they got right and make him into full blown villain the readers will probably feel justified and side with him.
As a person who had zero interest in the avengers before he took over I disagree. I'm not checking for the book with Jack of hearts and triathlon. Putting him on the avengers was a hot take back then. He should have just let it go after secret invasion. I'm not even saying his work was super high quality, maybe I'm biased because it happened when I was in my late teens and it felt like something an 18 year old would enjoy, and it was.
>actually wanting any og those things outside of F4
Retard
>Child's prayer.
Peter and Mary Jane's daughter, alive and well wishing to be with her parents.
Finding her will trigger their real memories.
>He should have just let it go after secret invasion.
I think Dark Reign was mostly better. But he definitely should've left the book after Siege. Post-Siege Avengers was sub-mediocre at best, and outright fucking abysmal at worse (Age of Ultron in particular)
Miracleman being brought into the Marvel Universe seems like a terrible idea.
>zero interest before Bendis wrote them
>My 18 year old self
Essentially you were too young to read the actual good Avengers runs, grew up when they were at their lowest, and when someone took them and wrote stories that were passable you were hooked.
If you haven't already, you have many books to read - The good news is that they are mostly better and more interesting than the shit Bendis wrote. Get to it user, you own it to your 18 year old self. Teach that kid a lesson.
>ut the way he arbitrarily hates certain characters and decides to kill them or make them shit just so other people can't use them?
It gives me great joy that all the Avengers he killed of or shat on in Disassembled (Ant-Man, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Vision) are now part of MCU and therefore a normie's favorites.
I don't hate the idea of flashing back to the original version of legacy heroes like Iron Fist, Black Panther, Spirit of vengrance etc. but the fact they all knew each other and interacted at one time is pretty retarded.
Hope we at least get some cool designs out of it
The only reason Dark Reign was any good was Norman Osborn - Which was essentially the Thunderbolts ran flanderized by Bendis who was still awesome and believable because he was fucking nuts on that run anyway.
He literally did what he always did with the other characters and the story was stretched thin - Like it always is with Bendis.
>Bendis is the kind of guy who took Watchmen completely at face-value and thus took the wrong message from it.
Completely wrong. Bendis is the kind of guy who read a lot of Mamet and has been writing superhero versions of Glengarry Glen Ross for most of his career.
That is pretty funny.
>Wanting any of those things including the FF
>Retard
You do know how that company works right? A FF relaunch would almost certainly go to Bendis. Are you ready for Reed to literally be Cucked non stop by Namor ? that is his high concept. Probably he'll have Luke Cage fuck her this time. He'll have Reed saying things like "You've all been raping science" and Ben being extra extra jewey (tuccus, tuccus oy oy vey) in no time
Pro tip: all of those things he's already literally written (except for the Luke cage thing but cmon, it's inevitable)
But we can hope that it will go to Ewing
You know that comics were intended for kids right? The Marvel Knights initiative worked because it recognized the kids that were reading comics were/already had grown/growing up. Through the magic of Internet piracy I've read lots of comics, and almost every issue of the avengers before disassembled was disgustingly bad even for children
Amen
What's even funnier is that, out of the more popular 00s writers:
>Brubaker's Winter Soldier got adapted
>Ellis' Extremis was used, even if not faithfully
>Millar's Civil War was the base for a movie, and they used his Black Fury
>DnA's Guardians of the Galaxy became the movie team
>Pak's Planet Hulk is getting a part of Ragnarok for itself
And the biggest contributions Bendis made to the movies were: the character of Maria Hill (who isn't really anything like the comic book version), the idea on an Avengers Tower and the title "Age of Ultron".
The "Bendis made Avengers an A-List IP" story is false, Busiek's Avengers did pretty well and never fell outside of the Top 15.
Some people on Sup Forums really like Ewing. But the simple fact is that every single one of Ewing's books sell like shit and Ewing himself is not a draw. Nobody's going to give Ewing anything big unless Marvel continues to bleed talent and he somehow makes it to the top because everyone above him is gone.
So typical Marvel hyperbole? Yeah, not seeing why this is cause for outrage. I guess I am just too tired to be angry at Marvel for making stupid decision and just don't care as much. Better to TRY to keep an open mind and finding something else to do something else besides get mad at comic books.
I mean who knows, maybe this might lead to a least a hand full of decent titles? Probably not but I am not allowing Marvel to piss me off anymore
Bendis was the uncredited writer of the after credit schwarma scence in Avengers. He was made to write that part
>Heroes doing nothing but eating fast food
>Bendis wrote it
I genuinely believe you.
Were you alive for this or is it expert googling? I don't really care how it sells it doesn't pass the eye test. Busiek's Avengers runs were heinous. I don't want to be In a position to defend Bendis man, he's not very good, he wrote a polarizing Avengers the went on way way too long. But people actually cared what was going on. I read the "Avengers" by waid last week and almost threw up, it's less recognizable a title as Bendis' initial new avengers run
>maybe I'm biased because it happened when I was in my late teens and it felt like something an 18 year old would enjoy, and it was.
I think that's precisely it. I was the same way and as a youth couldn't get enough of all the edgy comics and crossover events. But that was also when I thought Superman was lame, that Batman didn't belong in the DCU, and that Watchmen was the first superhero comic worth reading.
As I got older and gained an appreciation for the history of comics and what superheroes are about as a genre, and especially what Watchmen was actually supposed to represent, I resented Bendis more and more, and it's in retrospect that I really hate the whole 00's decade.
I guess I can't say that stuff is just inherently bad, because obviously it has its audience, but it's not the kind of thing I want to read, so it's good for me that the industry started going in the opposite direction around the same time I started to hate the direction it was going in.
That's why I dislike old Bendis but actively hate new Bendis. He's a fucking hypocrite that suddenly started liking the less-serious more humorous direction as soon as the movies got big. Not saying he's doing it as a cash-in, I think he genuinely enjoys them, but clearly doesn't give a shit about any of the comics those movies draw inspiration from and only gave the style a chance when they were condensed into two-hour bites he can easily enjoy.
I don't know what his specific influences are or thoughts on Watchmen, just that that's the kind of mindset his mirrors.
He has potential to be a big name. His stuff doesn't sell because it's very continuity-heavy and targeted at the most hardcore of fans, but if he were put on Avengers and toned down the continuity a bit his storytelling is strong enough on its own.
>Were you alive for this
user, Busiek's Avengers came out in the late 90s. I would hope that you were alive for this as well otherwise I'm not sure you're old enough to be on this site.
That and I think the Iron Man epilogue with Fury's appearance.
>and toned down the continuity a bit
That's very much a "but at what cost?" scenario. The things I love about Ewing, namely his use and respect for d and c-listers as well as his masterful use of both vertical and horizontal continuity, would have to be the first things to go to make him work for the more general audiences.
I'd rather get a bunch of great 12 issue runs about characters and topics that no other writer has any interest in touching than a 50 issue run about A-listers galore.
Busiek's Avengers, whatever its flaws is still far more competently written on a craft level than probably 90% of Avengers comics that came after he left.