Was this film designed to make me hate Fascism? It achieves the opposite. These lyrics are beautiful

Was this film designed to make me hate Fascism? It achieves the opposite. These lyrics are beautiful.
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>working together towards a false goal with no end in sight
>every adult is horribly mutilated
>this war has brought nothing but tragedy and it's their own fault

Yeah bro fascism for the win

so the bugs were not a real threat?

It was but leftoids can't into satire.

part and parcel

can't even spell flag right. Sounds like a South Park song

After witnessing the last two years of idiots rage about politics and policies they clearly don’t understand I would fully support a system like in this movie or some other voting restrictions

Universal sufferage is truly idiotic

>when you are just too fucking stupid

They're at war to control the domestic population. The whole idea of demanding people be tortured for two years to become citizens is to control the population. The whole idea behind the war is to make excuses for this torture and for extending how long it goes on.

If they wanted, they could destroy the Bugs from orbit. They don't want that, they want ground battles that kill soldiers before they become citizens, so the system can sustain itself.

this film was designed in a way to lampoon it, because schumacher was too stupid to understand what the book was actually like

Humans started the war and continue to fail to recognize the right of the bugs to exist.
See, the "bugs" are clearly intelligent but because they look like enlarged, mutated Earth insects, the humans view them as space monsters and kill them without any reflection on their own cruelty. The bugs do the same to them.
The war will never end and the misery of the humans will only grow. The aesthetic accommodations and comforting lies of the fascist society blinds and numbs them to their horrible existence. What little joy they do find is in bad things like Rico's relationship with a cheating whore who doesn't truly love him or his military career which is built on murder and will one day cripple or kill him

Nothing the humans do helps them in the slightest and all they do is further their suffering. Its a brilliant satire you brainlet

Except the bug thread is real.
In the movie and in the book.

The director really failed miserably if he tried to imply it wasn't...

>Was this film designed to make me hate Fascism? It achieves the opposite.
Its hard to satire fascism with out going over the top like V for Vendetta. The system is too affect. Starship troopers is even Post-racial and Gender neutral. Even depicts a white Argentina. Its perfect.

Friendly reminder our founding fathers did not want everybody to vote but rather only men of age that owned a respectable amount of land. Now you could argue that women should have the right to vote too and I wouldn't necessarily disagree, but it was clear that their intent coming out of the revolution wad that only those who had fought in the war to protect their living and love for the land, as the only people who would have done so at the time were grown men with land to protect from invasion, should vote. The simplest way of executing their vision today would be for voting to be restricted to those who have served in the military thusly.

This is the closest we will get to a 40K movie, and as a guard player, I am ok with that

It's real AFTER they start the war. They pick an enemy that they can paint as a military threat but they believe is a pest control situation, and it turns out that it's a kind of threat they didn't understand that can push back.

But this is fine, it just makes the ground battles more impressive.

In the book it's clear that they win in space every time, and they can destroy any planet they like. In the film it's implied. So they keep choosing to send potential citizens to die, to protect their system of government.

Then only men who own a respectable amount of land should pay taxes. Simples.

That's the thing, people tend to ask for movies to make their critiques subtle or their villains non-2D, but doing this makes them attractive to idiots.

THE SOCIETY IN STARSHIP TROOPERS IS A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC YOU STUPID FUCKING NIGGERS

tell joel schumacher that

Liberals get uncomfortable around Starship Troopers because the entire society is a meritocracy and depends on your ability to undertake responsibility. Liberals have no concept of either of these things.

The bugs are not intelligent, only their leaders are. They are a hive mind, the idea of individual beings coexisting with a hive mind is retarded. The moment you let them into your cities they will start murdering everyone. They also are shown to be expansionists so the borders will eventually clash and the problems arise. Plus they have a long range weapon that can attack the Earth directly, which humans lack. To make peace with such species and disarm the military when they have a weapon like that is beyond retarded.
The moment we met another intelligent alien race is the moment we shift to a fascist society or we perish. Hitler was wrong only in hating other humans, not in the might-is-right mentality.

Verhoeven is the typical lazy leftist. They think that they can just shout "NAZI! NAZI! NAZI!" over and over again to win any debate. That is why they fail.

More or less. But it's one where the government gets to decide who becomes a citizen, and they always pick people who support the status quo and they're willing to use violence to enforce their selection. They don't say they're doing this on purpose, but they are and even if they weren't that's the results.

No arguments here. I agree with that fully.

I'm so sorry for you brainlet. I really can't imagine how it must feel to be as stupid as you. Is it like a piercing headache when you try to read or people explain things to you?

>But it's one where the government gets to decide who becomes a citizen
WRONG, EVERY HUMAN HAS A RIGHT TO FEDERAL SERVICE AND CITIZENSHIP. FEDERAL SERVICE IS NOT ONLY MILITARY. YOU DIDNT READ THE BOOK. GO FUCK YOURSELF NIGGER

It's a psycho/punk-o-cracy. They're the kinds of people who join the military specifically to gain power over other people or because they want to be told what to do, then they must become the kind of people who make it through the training without being washed out. Then the psychos are removed by a war, leaving only the punks.

The government wants people like that to vote, because they always vote to support the government.

This is training specifically designed to wash people out. The government can then select the training program to make sure they get only the voters they want out of it. And if there is a problem and TOO MANY people start joining up, they start a war to dissuade some and kill others.

This is true in the book and film, but they have other differences.

2 years in the military, that's all there is to vote. If you can't into that you can be a happy civilian, which is not a bad thing either. Rico's parents didn't go through it and they weren't second class citizens.
The MUH GOVERNMENT decides everything is blatantly wrong, because that society is not depicted to be like that.

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The EDF deploys!

Case in point.

WRONG
WRONG
WRONG
MOBILE INFANTRY TRAINING IS TOUGH BECAUSE IT IS AN ELITE UNIT.
YOU CAN DO FEDERAL SERVICE TO BECOME A JANITOR IF YOU WANT.
THE GOVERNMENT IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE SERVICE OPPURTUNITES TO ALL.

>It achieves the opposite. These lyrics are beautiful.

Propaganda working as intended folks.

Buenos Aires was a false flag

>They also are shown to be expansionists
No they weren't. Did you miss how the mormon outpost that got wiped out moved into the Quarantine Zone, aka Bug Territory?

>The bugs are not intelligent, only their leaders are.
You could say the same thing about humans. You have the Infantry, the Air Force, and the Gestapo/KGB guys that Neil Patrick Harris is with. It's pretty clear who knows what in the human society; Rico's squadmates are mostly meatheads you wouldn't put in charge of anything.

Your claim that war with the bugs is inevitable is completely fallacious. It's not clear that humans and bugs need to compete for resources so conflict is completely avoidable. Also, because they have intelligent leaders, there isn't a specific reason that non-aggression couldn't be arranged. It's shown that the humans are developing means of communication (telepathy) but foolishly look for its military application

This. Rico winds up in the mobile infantry because he goes to sign up for the armed forces with carmen and doogie, but he's such a retarded chad thundercock the only thing he's good for is being a grunt.
In the book they go out of the way to discourage people from joining the mobile infantry because it was expensive to train, house, and fit them for their powered armor, and until BA gets wiped out the mobile infantry didn't have much to do besides the occasional raid on the skinny colony.

>meritocracy
>shoehorning a bunch of fucking women in your infantry

They either had absolutely no standards or were definitely not a meritocracy.

>because they always vote to support the government

Stop lying. The complete opposite is true. In the real world, it's the democrat welfare queens that always vote for bigger and bigger government. Your system rewards them. Heinlein's system weeds them out.

“‘Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death. Or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader. The barbarians enter Rome.”
Robert Heinlein.

>recognize the right of the bugs to exist.

You know what a hive mind is? The leaders can control every move of the bugs at will, the moment the chain is broken the bugs become afraid and act like animals. Those things don't happen to humans because for a human to follow orders, it has to make the choice of doing so himself.

>People siding with bugs
Disgusting

Plenty but not all of liberals advocate for meritocratic systems in places like Silicon Valley and Wall Street. Your claim that having no concept of responsibility or merit is requisite for being a liberal is baseless and contributes nothing to this discussion

Not even 'muh satire' Verhoeven believes in your fan fiction theory.

Wasn't there a difference between the novel and movie? One was anti facist, and the other pro? Or one was more about war and the other was about social life or some shit? I remember a huge difference but haven't watched or read it in probably a decade or two by now.

War is evitable, the treat of war isn't. A hive mind can control an entire planet at will and have 100% control of every move of every individual at all times while staying in a secret tunnel miles into planet. Only one thought and you have millions of bugs marching to their deaths without any hesitation. Humanity cannot afford to make peace with something like this, because the moment humanity shows weakness to the enemy leader is the moment it gets annihilated.

Oh. So it's only that Rico was an idiot. Almost everyone who signs up for Service gets it without risking death or being forced to commit violence?

The film doesn't seem to support this, and implies citizens have more civil rights while stating that they don't. The book explicitly contradicts this, and says every branch of the Service is designed to force people to wash out.

Everyone votes for bigger government.

In Starship Troopers, the voters voted the biggest imaginable government for themselves, and keep most people out of it. Sort of like the heroes of Atlas Shrugged.

Telepathy is something being studied at the time in the lore. It's not fully developed like in star wars or WH40k.

>complete a term of service
>get to vote
why is this an "evil" thing again? your twins meth addict racist, your local black welfare mom of 10 and your kid of an illegal all get to vote. is the system better for that?

>humans were the bad buys lmao im so smart now.

Fuck the bugs there is only room for one species.

Book is trying to convince teenagers that you shouldn't take your vote for granted. But also trying to convince readers that might makes right.

Film is trying to create a satire of propaganda, which of course means it works as a pro-war film if you don't get it.

yeah, to be perfectly honest it's fine.

>show a vested interest in government
>get to have a say in what it does

wow, like omg, literally hitlers.

Gosh but I really am pissed off at Joel Schumacher for this ghastly interpretation of a damn fine book.

The women depicted are shown to be capable of fighting equally against men. Blame feminism for that, as in the book the women are not soldiers but janitors, cooks, medics and morale support.

Its racist and discriminating against those with disabilities

>Plenty but not all of liberals advocate for meritocratic systems in places like Silicon Valley

You are laughable. A real liberal was just fired from SJW Google for supporting merit.

Why are you insecure over other people being smarter than you?

The movie shoehorned women into the mobile infantry. The book they were placed in positions that naturally suit their genders strengths like pilots, not 100% sure since it's been years since I read it.

The movie skipped a lot of cool shit, too
>power armor
>Skinnies
>symbiotics K9 units
>planet crackers
>much cooler ending

Anyone can serve faggot

>people

Thank you for proving my point that a real liberal can support merit :^)

not him, but
Human beings could never coexist with the arachnids as pictured in the book, anime ova or film. they are utterly alien and pose a serious threat.

That's why I said developing

Oh okay thank you user, I greatly appreciate your reply.

>complete process that involves breaking you down for the sake of authority
>after that you get to give your opinion on it
Oh yeah, that's a great system.

Unless you're under 5 feet tall. Which is understandable.

They had to pick between Bugs and Power Armor for budgetary reasons. They made the right choice.

>cooler ending

?

You don't know what the word "can" means. He isn't supporting anything on the unemployment line.

>Its racist
Lolno
>discriminating against those with disabilities
>In a future where there are robotic implants for free to those who join the military

>everyone who joins the military just LOVES it and stays in forever.

yeah, no. in fact this is a great system because then you've experienced it first hand and now have the proper perspective on if it should be changed or not.

>The moment we met another intelligent alien race is the moment we shift to a fascist society or we perish.
>Hitler was right in the might-is-right mentality.

Are you literally advocating fascism in the face of First Contact?

Which is better, Troopers, or Armor?
I kinda like how the book Armor focused on the mech suits.

Who the fuck are you quoting? If you want to talk about real brainwashing, then look at your local college.

"There is no such thing as an anti faschist film"

They will give you robot limbs.

>every branch of the Service is designed to force people to wash out.
Yeah, because they don't want the burden of carrying dead weight in the armed forces of an interstellar human hegemony. Also you're guaranteed the opportunity for civil service, but once there they're not obliged to just let you do fuck all until your service is up.
I'm sure meter maids and teachers don't wash out as hard as MI. But it's Heinlein, there's nothing he hated more than people who thought they were owed anything they didn't earn.
The book isn't satire like the movie is, it was Heinlein writing his idealized fantasy of a perfect martial civilization. He always had a big chip on his shoulder that his Naval career was cut short because of medical issues.
But before you call the guy a fascist read pretty much any of his other stories where he goes from anarcho-socialist revolution on the moon, to hippie love fuck fest, to religious dictatorship, libertarian fuck fest in space, right wing secession on mars, and eventually, a meta fuck fest through space and time.
He's not the kind of guy you pigeon hole.

As oppose to the system of importing poor people guaranteed to vote for one side.

>cooler ending
It been years but Rico's pop's survived Buenos Aires and they get reunited and might have been the guy who found the first queen/brain bug. Don't remember much after that happened but it was close to the end of the book.

I have read the book for like 10+ years though so I could just be senile.

Wow. You really just didn't get the film did you? It's a satirical work of fiction, okay? I really didn't think I'd have to explain it bottom up but it looks like I'd have to. And I'm not going to. Rewatch the film; you are beyond my help

Fucking leftists. Nobody hates the current state of the military more than the soldiers that have to serve in it, I can promise you that.

>Learning how to function without society
>Learning to have empathy to those around you, to help and respect them
>Learning about your weaknesses and how to overcome them
>Breaking down

Why would they tell that to a completely unrelated director?

That film was designed to look cool and be an actiony war movie in space.

Back to Sup Forums, faggot

Only redditors complain about Sup Forums

>Everything I've ever learned is from Sup Forums
I don't think you're on the side of the bell curve you think you are.

this is a good threat, but honestly this is the best take. Verhooven was pure aesthetics with a small sprinkling of satire. not that that is bad.

Humanities was a fucking mistake.

>immediately trusting something as smart or smarter than us.
God, I hope people like you wont be in charge when the horrors out there find us.

That's literally War on Terror. Was Verhoeven a prophet?
The situation in Starship Troopers is actually more reasonable because they were attacked from Klendathu. In real life Americans were attacked by the Saudis and then decided to fuck up Iraq and Afghanistan.

The first contact is the only even that could threaten human existance.

I'm not sure if it's meant to inspire hate but it's obviously meant to be comedic in how it treats the ideology presented in the book it's adapted from. You have those soldiers whom it treats as if they're those brave heroes but we as the viewers are clearly meant to recognize that they're brainwashed, violent goons and that dissonance between what's actually happening and how they're treating it is meant to make us laugh.

And some of them can become citizens if they pass the purity tests of the Federation.

They try to find an assignment that will wash you out and assign you to it, you cannot transfer once you've joined, and if you drop out you cannot apply again. And now there is a war on you will be assigned to the war, so you will die before you vote. This is explicit in the book and the film.

There are all kinds of policies in place to make sure they pick who gets to vote, without every having to put it into law that they pick who gets to vote.


If it were just a matter of two years of doing nothing and you get to vote, everybody does it. They designed Service specifically to make people leave or break them down, and they designed the War to prevent a rush of citizens or the revelation that the system is rigged.

>Was Verhoeven a prophet?
Yes.
Exhibit A: Robocop.

Stop apologizing to leftists. Embrace strength. Victory is the true redeemer.

>the entire society is a meritocracy

Where military service is the only thing that matters.

A more unified alien race would have the upper hand against us if we don't. Even if technology-wise we are more or less at the same level. All the "rights" and "rules" we have learned when dealing with other human cultures in history get discarded for alien races, except domination.

Wait slow the fuck down. He also wrote Robocop?
What else has he written

well, they were at a war. Kind of a big deal to prop up your military when you want to win a fuckin war, yeah?

I'm not saying "trusting" them outright, of course not, but I dispute your assumption they necessarily. What if they were refugees? Or pacifists?

Yes, I will accept that a race like the Bugs in Starship Troopers is bent on war, but I cannot say the same for, say, the prawns of District 9. They were stranded and malnourished. Can we be fascistic to them simply because they are "not like us"?