You know it's not his fault, right? He was handed literal shit from JJ with no pointers on where to go next...

You know it's not his fault, right? He was handed literal shit from JJ with no pointers on where to go next. The best he could do was sabotage the whole hackneyed story and pepper it with some action scenes.

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There are people on this board right now who could have written a better script and still dovetailed it with Abrams' movie. Think about that

JJs story was ultimately a letdown and rip off, but it was still exciting, and fucking alleyooped 500 fucking plot points for the next movie to follow through with. Of all the Johnson defenses, this is the worst one.

A literal child could come up with answers to mystery boxes more satisfying than “nothing lol.”
And it’s not like his own script was otherwise good.

Please. He was handed a pile of shit and just added water, giving us diarrhea

He wasn't handled shit at all.

> with no pointers on where to go next

So create them. Fans did plenty of theories for him to copy if he so wanted. He's a bigger hack than JJ.

"nothing lol" are perfectly fine responses to Rey's parents and Snoke. both aren't necessary to advance the plot.

Film has got problems but it tries to build up characters for the finale instead of an empty crowd pleaser.

Of course it's his fault.

How is it not the directors fault for making a bad movie that he wrote himself?

No excuse. He was handed a decent enough start and he could built on that. Instead he choice to make his movie about feminism and SJWism forgetting entirely about basic movie crafting.

Literally writing a story is making stuff up. JJ Abrams, though TFA was entirely uncreative, handed Johnson a great starting point. Something to build up and expand. Johnson had plenty to go off on. Instead he choice to virtue signal.

Honestly, I'm considering just writing a small book explaining the many objective flaws of TLJ and then go into the more subjective aspects of where it failed.

As much shit JJ Abrams or Kathleen Kennedy get for not planning out the future of the franchise in the first place and leaving Johnson to fill up the gaps, he should not escape scrutiny for the lack of imagination and creativity. Its not only the fact that he couldn't come up with any creative resolution for the plots that were set up, he flat out admitted he can't write interesting dialogue between a former FO stormtrooper that was brainwashed and a Resistance ace pilot. To him, they all sound the same. That should be indicative enough.

Yeah you're right, meaningful answers to important plot details aren't important and the entire casino subplot really advanced the story.

>defending mediocrity
The absolute state of Disneyshills.

I’m ok with Rey’s parents being nobodies but Snoke, Finn, Rose and the whole resistance and first order conflict shit is pants on head retarded.

Me too. I actually thought that Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver did a great job acting that scene. It was just that there was so much anticipating from TFA that in hindsight the scene (though well acted) didn't make sense.

>both aren't necessary to advance the plot.

The plot is a contrived recycling rebels vs. empire, but updated with 21st century politically correct standards, for no reason other than they just really couldn't think of anything better. Heroes from the old movies die in the new ones, and we find out that they lead largely unsuccessful lives after their great victory in the OT, and all just about end up where they began. Han ditched Leia and went back to smuggling in VII. Dies because that's what old people do. Luke tried to start a new Jedi academy but it was shit, he tries to kill his nephew but chickens out at the worst possible moment, resulting in Kylo going nuts and killing a bunch of people. Luke exiles himself in shame and does jack shit for decades. Doesn't even bother to try and read the Jedi texts, admits as much to the ghost of Yoda, and instead jacked off and drank milk while blaming the Force for his failures. Dies, again, because that's what old people do in Star Wars.

Rian's supporters talk so much about "subverting audience expectations", as if unexpected automatically equals good. How do you try to justify literally-no-backstory-or-explanation-for-their-actions characters like Rey and Snoke as being an unexpected plot twist? I just don't get it. Try and explain to me, you're getting paid anyway, just mount and dew it.

>How do you try to justify literally-no-backstory-or-explanation-for-their-actions characters like Rey and Snoke as being an unexpected plot twist? I just don't get it.

Here is how.
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I ain't clicking on shit.

>I ain't clicking on shit.

Then you gain no knowledge and that, young one, is why you fail.

Fuck off, Rian.
Snoke and the First Order existing ruins the conclusion of the entire OT. I think we deserve more of an explanation of where they came from and how Snoke convinced Kylo to join the Dark Side aside from “it happened but Rey doesn’t care about it.”

Nice try shill, for these are two shekels which you will never rub between your fingers.

Here’s the best excerpt, you lazy fuck:

“Some of what makes The Last Jedi so execrable is the way in which it flagrantly disrespects the universe that gave it life. Detaching it from the broader Star Wars mythos does make it marginally more tolerable—but it’s still only a good movie if all you’re interested in is two and a half hours of spectacular visuals and sound. If you’re looking for good storytelling—i.e., compelling character arcs woven into a coherent plot—you’re sol because it simply doesn’t have these. It is not—and I don’t believe was ever intended to be—a vehicle for storytelling. Rather, it’s an extended, high-budget sjw propaganda piece. A leftist porno.

The only way to enjoy it, therefore, is to treat it as such: to view it as a propaganda project rather than a normal film. That way, when characters do inexplicable things, or are themselves inexplicable from a normal storytelling point of view, or when entire plot arcs are included that fail to advance the storyline at all, you have the framework in place to understand the decisions that were made and judge them according to that non-storytelling goal.”

So if you approach it just as female fanwank, Snoke is only relevant so he can be used to show how strong the tortured bad guy with a total heart of gold I swear is. He exists to make Kylo sexier so there’s stronger love triangle. Is Rey gonna fuck Finn? Is Rey gonna fuck Kylo? Is Rey gonna fuck Poe? Who’s fucking who? Did Leia and Holdo fuck? Who’s fucking who? Did Luke fuck a porg? Who’s fucking who? Who’s fucking who?

This is what you get when you have the audience for Fifty Shades of Grey writing blockbusters.

(The “who’s fucking who” phrase is my paraphrasing of someone else on this board’s good insight, but I couldn’t find the original text.)

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> no pointers

> couldn't bring on George Lucas as a story contributor

Sup Forums doesn't realize he is literally /ourguy/. He sabotaged Disney Star Wars, he accomplished what all of us could only dream of doing. The man is a hero.

>Rey is Luke's daughter and was hidden away from him by Leia,after Luke was manipulated by Snoke, going insane and taking on the persona of Kylo Ren.
>Snoke 'rescues' Ben from Luke and begins training him
>Luke Attacks his own students destroying his own temple with the help of the knights of Ren
>Luke comes out of his induced madness and realising what he has done and that he has been manipulated by a strong force user of unknown origin looks into the jedi history. Luke leaves a map and wracked by guilt travels to Ahch-To to study who this ancient evil could be. Under the hope he can find away of defeating him.
>After Luke disappears, Ben takes on the role of Kylo Ren.

Here's some bullocks I just made up in 10 minutes. Rian chose not to use any of JJ plots, it's not like he had nothing to work with.

I'm sorry I didn't hear what you were saying, I was just too busy cleaning alien titty milk from my beard.

Hey I only accept Canada dough.

Fault? There's nothing at fault in the last kino. It met my expectations. I'm going to miss him in 9. I fucking love this movie. No need to apologize for the soyboys getting their panties in a wad. Let the hater fags go to hell.

You know you're a shill, right? No one here was talking about Rian Johnson until your faggot ass showed up and decided to defend him as if he were at all related to any concersation about real movies people were having. Its already established he fucked the movie up by being a bottom-bitch yes man and somehow manages to make the film look worse everytime he opens his fucking mouth. JJ gets just as much flack for that as bitch boy here does and deserves it.

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lay off the estrogen emotional ass bitch

Fuck you too

Stop Rian making excuses
If you had at least some sense then you could do some time skip into the future and make something more original than Empire Strikes Back rehash that only have subversive scenes, but at the same time it has too many similarities to appeal to nostalgia

this is unironically better