I-IT WAS NOT IMPROVISED GUYS I SWEAR

“First of all, has this been done before, period? I’ve got to reserve the right for [Story Group member] Pablo [Hidalgo] to build it back into canon, if he’s like, ‘Yeah, this is a thing and they outlawed it.’ I think there’s various ways you can go with it. But it’s not like it was the plan to do this. It’s a spur of the moment thing. It’s this idea that she gets and she sits down and fucking does, and it obviously takes everybody completely by surprise. It takes Hux by surprise. The fact that Hux doesn’t see it coming means it’s probably not a standard military maneuver. I think it was something that Holdo (laughs) pulled out of her butt in the moment.”

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>a thing that's outlawed
then why didn't the Empire that wrote the laws ever use it against the rebels?
or why didn't the CIS who didn't follow the Republics laws ever use it?

wrote themselves into a corner...

why didn't anyone in the 25000 year history use this?!

>it's been outlawed
Who is enforcing it? Is there some super galactic government space trooper that will pull you over if you attempt that maneuver? How do you prosicute a dead person? I honestly think these writers are suffering from some sort of brain eating virus.

>sith ruled empire creates multiple deathstars
>cares about rule of law and treaties with thousands of planets

>rebels realize the empire is completely corrupt
>cares about empire's laws

>pablo literally has no explanation
>MUH LAWS

THIS

The more they talk about it, the more convoluted this shit gets

Joseph (((Levitt))) Gordon defended this.

Aren't rebellions and insurrections outlawed too?

>Article #105 explaining why TLJ wasn't in the wrong

>Ramming ships is outlawed
>blowing up planets isn't
>genocide isn't

I'm so sick of Sup Forums reposting everything said about this movie to keep brainwashing teenagers into shooting up schools and shit

>thread #705 about why it's bad, Disney is bad, liberals are bad and everyone hates you, stay redpilled

this is really the only major thing wrong with the film as it breaks all kinds of shit

>It's a spur of the moment thing
Now they're literally admitting the bitch had no plan whatsoever. So much damage control their story is getting convoluted

No, it's just the only major wrong thing in the movie in terms of setting and canon. There's a lot of major things wrong

>Disney is bad, liberals are bad and everyone hates you,
these things are unironically all true

yeah that's what I fucking thought faggots. knock it off with the spam you retarded boomers and get a real job that's not grooming literal children

people that repost black panther and TLJ articles should be on an fbi watchlist. Sup Forums is just a propaganda machine now

kill yourself kike

Everybody can be a Jedi is also pretty fucking terrible, it's like calling a retard "exceptional individual".

Dude stfu and delete this before tum tum uses retard strength to tear your arms off

so what I thought all along was true, Rian is just an autistic manbaby smashing toys together thinking "OMGSOCOOL". There is more to film than visuals but I wouldn't expect some faggot who's only a director because of his connections to understand that.

Fulminatrix didn't have any of the concussion missile turrets and had less turrets than a Venator class.

I hope they deem this a war crime.

>Rian is just an autistic manbaby smashing toys together thinking "OMGSOCOOL"
that's what star wars is and the exact basis for episodes 1-6

This. Apparently, the Empire is such a stickler for laws they'd rather spend decades building an insanely massive space station than ignore the law. And apparently blowing up planets isn't illegal either.

>I honestly think these writers are suffering from some sort of brain eating virus.

A virus called "Lack of merit". They have jobs they didn't earn.

Wow. This guy thinks like a 15 year old.
>durr Holdo pulled it out of her butt. Lol

lies fester quickly

>blowing up planets isn't illegal
>choking people to death with mind magic isn't illegal
>slavery isn't illegal
It's a good thing everyone follows the Space Law.

They needed to steal the concept of subspace damage from star trek or shields/lasguns in Dune. A throw away line in TFA to setup TLJ
>Are you mad? Not only is it suicide but if we jump without coordinates and run into a star destroyer's shields we have an even chance of collapsing hyperspace for 1000 star systems.

Rian...you need to stop watching anime.

They did, well, the old canon Hyperspace Wars...much to the dismal effect of shit getting seriously fucked up iirc.

>they outlawed it
ahahaha, I had a hope they'd come up with something flimsy like this, but I thought they might be smart and avoid answering it.
What a fucking mess.

What a fucking shit show.

>if he’s like, ‘Yeah, this is a thing and they outlawed it.
>if

rightwing retards in charge of reading comprehension

But why would literally any of the numerous Crime Syndicates NOT use this on any authority getting in the way of their space crimes?
I mean...it's not even a fucking question that NO ONE, especially criminals never thought about this. The Rebellion I can understand, because they have some sort of Moral opposition to using low tactics (or they say they do anyway), but they'd be the only ones.

Every goddamn day some new shit just fucking comes out that makes me hate this whole film more and more.
Fucking piece of shit movie.

>muh politics
fucking idiot

They have no fucking idea what they're talking about. The hyperdrive opens up a portal into hyperspace, your ship has no forward momentum. The illusion of massive acceleration/deceleration is called "pseudomotion" in-universe. You aren't even moving at "beyond light speed" in hyperspace, that's impossible to achieve according to multiple sources. You're basically entering and exiting specific points in real space via hyperspace routes.

You can fuck up, and get pulled out of hyperspace and crash into shit, but you're not moving at light speed, or anything even approaching that. If the hyperdrive is damaged, it can open a portal on a planet and fuck things up, but that again, that has nothing to do with kamikaze-ing into shit. That's not even an effective tactic, because being pulled out of hyperspace into oncoming ships will destroy your ship, but will barely damage the enemies deflector shields.

Hyperspace and hyperdrives only work as a concept when they're described as vaguely as possible and can only be used for one specific task. Every single writer who worked on the EU knew this. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

SEETHING OVER LITERALLY NOTHING

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when I first saw this online I 1000% believed it was a reversed camrip to make it look this absurd. then I saw the movie and realized that it is real, and even more absurd. everybody in the theater laughed at this part.

This makes perfect sense when you consider Admiral Old Ho is a self-insert for KK who also doesn’t have a plan for the sequel trilogy and keeps pulling shit out of her ass forcing her puppets to mold it into something less shit like

Not unexpected. Pretty much every sci-fi writers knows weaponising FTL is the big no-no, unless that's a lynchpin of your setting. The story group do not look like people with a history of sci-fi writing.

Someone else said the backing up for this bullshit comes from the fact of the remains still moving at light speed...so, if they accidentally hit a populated planet...

>/poltv/ confirmed for illiterate

>OLD HO

>they're still trying to explain away the mess they made of things
amazing

Well, the reason its a big no no is because it makes basic space combat with ANY device that has that means of use a potential weapon and combat becomes flashy, but boring as hell. A rather nice book that has a background on this is The Killing Star.

Also, though cringe, this is sorta accurate. If they wanted to get real, there would have been nothing left.

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You stupid mother fucker. This isn't about political ideologues any more. This is about an incomprehensible, Canon breaking, disrespect of the source materials universal laws "because she's fucking bad ass!". It would be like having the Bride in Kill Bill shoot herself in the head to shoot Bill in the face because that would be "cool". Do you understand how retarded that is now?

Also the fact they fucking included it turns that "if" in to a big fucking defacto "yes it happens".

There was an user here who came up with the idea that DJ downed all the shields before leaving. How have they not thought of that yet? Are they dumb? That would be a perfect explanation

>Sup Forums has better writers than Lucasfilm

Except the thread is retarded bullshit making up that Lucasfilm said one thing when they didn't say

nope

Oh the implications aren't lost on me, it just makes me laugh that Disney turned Star Wars into a grimdark setting through mismanagement. In the EU one of the earlier wars was called the Great Hyperspace War, in Disney it would've had different connotations and be the first, and last war.

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Anakin was too old at 6, Luke was ancient at 19, Rey is 19.

"I used to bull's-eye womp rats in my T-16 back home. They're not much bigger than two meters."

He was doing that without training. The same way Anakin was using the force without training. He was 6 years old competing in something humans aren't capable of doing.

Luke was able to deflect the training drone after getting hit by it.

Rey was able to read Kylo's mind after said trick was used on her.

I could go on, but run risk of sounding like a Snyderfag.

Your gross hyperbole is gross and you should neck yourself for your anti-intellectualism. I mean the sheer dishonesty, posting something like that.

If they start adding anything like mecha in the bipedal, Japanese sense...I am fucking done.

Based Mark should always be listened to. When you don't, you get The Last Jedi.

These writers are just bad writer in general, not just with sci fi
Say if the higher up wish that this specific holdo character should sacrifice herself to allow the resistance to escape, there are so many way to write this. For example
> Hux explicitly does not want to send out tie fighters because he has a limit amount of them. He wish to reserve them when the inevitable smaller transport ships and escape pod are leaving the main ship. Tie fighters can chase down these smaller ships and take them all down even if they scatter in different directions
> this would justify tie fighter not being sent out just to destroy the big fleet
> the amount of FO ships chasing the rebels have to be reduced significantly fr this to make sense
> this will also paint the FO leadership as competent, patient, and has foresight
> As the resistances are read to evacuate, holdo and a skeleton crew volunteer to stay behind to make sure the transport ships make it
> FO detects transport ships being ready to leave the cruiser, send out their tie fighters
> Holdo and the leftover crew on the ship turn it around toward the enemy
> the cruiser tries to take down as many tie fighters as possible head on while taking from both the FO capital ships now in range and the tie fighters
> Holdo gives order to blow the ship’s reactor, causing a huge explosion that destroy/disable all of the tie fighters that were sent out.
There we go. Was that so hard? Literally can come up with it in 10 min

Those are things that can be done with force sensitivity but not things unique to Jedi.

Rey knows how to mind trick. She knows how to use telekinesis, perfectly. Without training.

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One ship vs. bigger ship

...fuck, he literally ripped of the old Dreadnought Factor from Atari 5200!

>complaining about Star Wars creates school shooters
I really hope your just pretending to be this fucking stupid

Except it's about exact quotes from the directors stupid fucking mouth about how he pursued the rule of cool over anything resembling plot, and universe coherence.

I was pretty much done when TFA destroyed the Republic in one scene, I'm just popping in to watch the continuing train wreck.

But...but...THE VISUALS!

>have lightspeed projectiles that can devastate an entire fleet
>still using flyover bombers that have a 90% mortality rate

Man it bugs me a ship that small can kill a ship that big. I can understand a squadron but thats just dumb

...que?

You know...the more and more I look at it, this looks even below Harryhausen levels of bad.

But those bombers were cool! The way they had gravity assisting them in a zero gravity void!

Rey 10x more training in doing the mind trick, as Luke had blindly deflecting the training droid. Obi literally said just feel the force. She was getting mindfucked.

As far as the telekinesis bit, she was undergoing her training in the beginning of TLJ with Luke, and moved boulders at the end.

If you're talking about the lightsaber, for whatever reason it was calling out to her in TFA. They didn't explain that as far as I can remember in TLJ.

It is clear Rian doesn't know how to write space sci-fi. The clearest sign you need is that the basic premise of this film - the space chase, shouldn't have worked in the first place.

We all know how hyperjumps work.
We have seen it in action.
Why the fuck doesn't the FO warp ships and corner the rebellion?
Clearest sign that whoever writing TLJ is a huge hack

Kinda makes the Death Star and Starkiller redundant, doesn't it? Just strap a hyperdrive to an asteroid and you'll get a cheaper result.

>He wish to reserve them when the inevitable smaller transport ships and escape pod are leaving the main ship
They'd also have to rewrite Holdo's original plan since it revolved around the FO being too stupid and incompetent to actually look for that.

b-but he's le best pilot EVER!!

>Pretty much every sci-fi writers knows weaponising FTL is the big no-no

My autism compels me to note, that moving FTL is not even possible without magic tricks that work in some other way than making you go even faster, and it is weaponizing STL space flight which is the problem. Basically any sort of drive that allows you to get anywhere fast enough to keep an average sci-fi story, unless it uses above-mentioned magic tricks, can be used to make super deadly kinetic projectiles. And basically when those are on the table you can't have any sort of interesting space war, because opponents don't really have fleets and landing armies and shit, only missile commands.

Old Star Wars used "hyperspace is teleportation between Point A and Point B" excuse and planetary shields on significant planets and military bases to get around the problem. But TLJ now weaponized hyperspeed, and TFA already undid effectiveness of planetary shields (you don't give a fuck if your ship survives exit, if it was meant to be a flying bomb anyway).

SKB blew up the senate and the Republic fleet. I couldn't believe the Republic could've become so ineffectual & toothless in 30 years, but side-material confirmed that's exactly what happened; all to reboot to the evil overbearing empire and the small, struggling freedom-fighters story.

B-B-BUT THAT'S OUTLAWED!!!!!

One of the many mistake of the sequel is how much it trivialize the antagonists. In OT and PT, the antagonist usually outnumber and out-tech the good guys, but not by that much. It keeps the good guys underdog effect but not to trivialize the enemy. Nu-disney, the FO always outnumber like 100-1 and then lose. That is taking it too far and make the antagonists pathetic and not threatening. Look at the number of tie fighters vs x wings in any scene. Tie fighters are like flies in the sky vs only a dozen x wings and yet x wings always wipe the floor with them because plot armor. Rogue One is the only nu-Star Wars that doesn’t go overboard with force size discrepancy for their battles.

The CIS did try something somewhat similar, they loaded a hijacked republic ship with explosive materials and tried to fly it into a space station during a military conference

RO also happens to be the best nu-star wars movie.

Sheev will MAKE it not outlawed no more

>FO uses a giant flying wing as its headquarters instead of a planet base or something

Sweet!

>Hardly even used as a location in the film, it's a retread of Death Star infiltration scenes and Snoke's throne room and that's basically it

FUCK

YOOOOUUUUU

Well the FO knows about the plan afterthe code breaker guy told them anyway. It takes some genius code breaker to figure it out it’s somehow far-fetched that people inside a big ship will evacuate to smaller ship once the big one go down.

>because opponents don't really have fleets and landing armies and shit, only missile commands.

...so basically where we are right now with glorious MAD?

Yeah, and in one blow had to have killed at least 12 trillion lives. The FO just does NOT feel like a imposing force. I really don't know why.

>mfw the Resistance apologizes to the First Order for breaking the "no weaponized hyperspace" rule and everyone remembers Holdo as space Hitler.

And for it to even happen in the first place the Empire proper implodes in the one year following Endor, because Sheev's master plan was apparently just to throw a postmortem autistic fit if he died.

Yeah, this. Also, Order stormtroopers drop faster than Imperial ones ever did, even those the latter already were a running joke (I don't know why, protags in just about any action movie from 80s scythe down mooks in greater quantities).

Daily reminder that both JJ and Rian are to blame for the current state of the franchise, as well as Disney itself. Lucas was the only man who truly understood Star Wars, because Star Wars was his vision. The sequel trilogy was never going to be good, and not a single director could have made it so without Lucas involved.

May I also interject to you who want to use this as political fodder that is the RIGHT wing Holdoup cuts through? Never the less, and 3 of the six primary reactors two.

DJ's not coming back so why bother developing his character at all?

Nobody will think of him in Ep9

>...so basically where we are right now with glorious MAD?

Yes.

That's a pretty low bar

>brainwashing teenagers into shooting up schools and shit
I thought it was low when Mouseketeers laughed about Snyder's daughter committing suicide, but they've outdone themselves here

That is how bad TLJ and TFA are

>‘Yeah, this is a thing and they outlawed it.’
But they didn't outlaw giant planet killing weapons?
Or is he saying the rebels outlawed it?
Why would guerilla warriors outlaw a deadly desperation maneuver that can literally turn the tides of a battle with just one ship?

??????

It's a Star Wars thing but it stops being fun when you do it every single fucking movie.

Not even the OT did it every movie! They don't blow up anything in ESB! But with Disneywars they did it twice in the same fucking movie.

>That would be a perfect explanation
You'd still need to explain why the ship was moving at all if she jumped to hyperspace. See There is no actual acceleration when you jump to hyperspace, it's an illusion.

I guess they could always ret-con how hyperspace works in SW.

Outlaw this

Paul Thomas Anderson could have saved the sequel trilogy. No one can deny this.

I thought the implication was that LucasFilm outlawed it from being used in a movie since it is so retarded, but then Rian coaxed them since they don't really care about Star Wars