Examples of Sup Forums villains introduced as legitimate...

Examples of Sup Forums villains introduced as legitimate, terrifying threats but eventually degenerated to comic relief jobbers?

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Dr. Drakken, of course.

>Dr. Cortex
>legitimate terrifying threat
He always had a tinge of comic relief, it just became more pronounced as Uka-Uka was introduced and Cortex's role was usurped by others over time

I'll be honest, I prefer comedic Lex Lang Cortex. He was just sort of generic before that.

I remember reading somewhere that they first came up with Cortex when someone in a meeting brought up having a scientist be the villain and one of the lead devs put on this haughty mad scientist-like voice and said "if you had three neurons between you, you couldn't make a triangle!" and everyone laughed their asses off, so yeah he was always intended as a comic character in some capacity.

this reads like the biography of a classic recurring saturday morning cartoon villain

Lex Lang always struck me as the "middle ground" for Cortex. He has O'Brien's hamminess (see: Crash 1) but a deeper range that sets him closer to Clancy.

Not to mention he's stuck with the series since 2004, that's some solid dedication.

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Do you have the page where it's implied that Cortex and Brio were behind the Chernobyl disaster?

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Crash is practically Sup Forums in vidya form. Surprised it isn't discussed here more

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Valmont and the dark hand organization from jackie chan adventures.

They (alongside that sorcerer guy from seasons 2 and 3) were honestly more interesting as villains overall than the oni/evil gods group from the last parts.

One thing i feel thats weird is that Lex Lang did a wonderful job in twinsanity, but in the remasters his performance feels a bit weak.

I love lang's more comedic-sounding cortex, but clancy did a much better job for a more serious-sounding cortex.

Honestly i was always curious about how/what exactly the cortex commandos did to become worldwide criminals.

Cortex and Brio teaming up once more was probably one of the few things that were actually cool from mind over mutant.

Yeah, he was a little off in the remaster but that could be due to poor direction. Coco and Aku-Aku, on the other hand, sounded much better.

Dr. Robotnik/Eggman

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Brio was probably the best thing from the Radical reboot.

Everyone else was too bombastic and annoying.

I thought he sounded fine in the remakes, but yeah, he works better when he can REALLY ham it up. Cortex was more "evil" in those first three games, which doesn't play to Lex's strengths.

Still, I think in every game Twinsanity onward, he does a great job.

I wish they brought back Nolan North as N. Gin, though, I feel like what Lex did for Cortex, Nolan did for N. Gin.

Are there more of these? I love these character developing things.

For me Lang's performance sounds like Stewie Griffin

I always thought Greg Eagles was a great Aku Aku in the reboots and was glad to hear him in the remaster.

Lot's of silver age villains.

I wouldn't call Vegeta comic relief, but he's a spectacular jobber.

Nolan North as N. Gin was a really weird fit.

...or, maybe it just felt that way because of his characterization in the Radical games; Like they forgot he was supposed to be a scientist on par with Cortex and turned him into some kind of weird gender-confused zombie igor. Not saying it wasn't funny, just didn't fit with the character.

I'd be happy to have him back if they gave him the necessary direction.

In which canon?

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Context: "Willy Wombat" was a working title for Crash.

Have you seen super? Half the fucking ark leading up to SSJB was entirely vegeta as comic relief

I'll be honest, I feel like they should stick with the insane bipolar Nolan North version. He didn't really have much going for him besides a cool design before that. Radical made him my favorite character.

I do feel like they should bring back the cyber affects in his voice though, it could really help emphasize the creepy craziness.

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>Yeah, he was a little off in the remaster but that could be due to poor direction
Thats probably the reason, even with a experienced team a bad direction can fuck over things badly.

They really nailed down Brio on the reboot.

I liked his performance, but the Renfield-esque role he got in the reboot could still be improved.

According to his design sheet, Gin was a world-renowned authority on rocketry and robotics before the accident that made him a cyborg. Would be nice if they could retain those characteristics in addition to his newfound craziness.

You could perhaps justify his deteriorating mental state from his life support glitching out, becoming more flustered or unhinged as you provoke his bad temper.

I like, I like that a lot. Keeping the personality traits, but letting him stand on his own, rather than being an Igor-esque lackey.

It really bums me out what they did with N. Gin in the remakes. He and the Komodo Bros. got the short end of the stick, I think.

Also >that time Coco orgasmed in game

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>He and the Komodo Bros. got the short end of the stick, I think.
I just wish their boss fight wasn't so goddamn easy. They could have the big komodo bro throwing swords while the other was spinning or something.

Yeah, that too, but Crash has never had amazing boss battles.

But holy shit, I think their design in N. Sane Trilogy are the worst. They could've stuck to the art a little more. But instead of this...

...they look like this.

I feel they would have benefited more had they kept it closer to concept art. Fix the shape of his jaw, make his hair and eyebrow bushier and resculpt the eyes to make them more proportionate.

Yeah, I feel like EVERYONE would've benefit from sicking closer to the concept art. N. Gin's weird mouth and realistic hair are what bother me most. Tiny and Dingodile have these weird boring eyes, but other than that I think they look fine.

Cortex is the only one I think looks GREAT in it though, but Crash and Coco are pretty good, too.

I've actually been really into Crash concept art, lately, really cool stuff.

>Yeah, that too, but Crash has never had amazing boss battles.
Yeah, overall the boss fights are real weak, aside from a handful.

The remaster redesigns were a big mixed bag too, some characters look really good others look really weird (like the komodo bros, as you mentioned).

>that voice line
Holy floating magic masks WHAT. Didn't expect them to do something like that.

not sure if loss

Ultron in AoU

He looks exactly like my uncle Phil but he's yellow

DARN YOU CRASH BANDICOOT

I didn't really like much of what they did for the remake Gin, but I like that little scar at the seam of the metal mask, and the way how he's now struggling and wobbling due to the weight of the missile. They were neat details

>tfw Charles Zembillas considers Gin's personality to have changed because of the brain damage he suffered

Jesus, poor man

The wobbling WAS a good touch, I liked that. they animated the characters really well, even if the designs were pretty hit and miss.

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scar was a nice touch but a little too prominent
took away from the duality of being a machine man

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>"Hi Crash! Do you think N. Gin is cute? I like the way he waddles~"

God I know CTTR isn't as good a game as CTR, but I just love the character dialogue, the humor, the music... it and Twinsanity are my favorite games in the series though I know I'm in the minority.

A dream Crash game would have the gameplay of Twinsanity and the originals (maybe more emphasis on Twinsanity, with the semi-open world part), music and humor/character personalities of Twinsanity and Tag Team Racing, and character designs as cartoony as the original concept art.

Lang's Cortex was only appropriate for the type of bumbling idiot the character was reduced to post-Twinsanity. in the N. Sane trilogy he sounds like he's just reading a script instead of actually sounding like the type of person who would say these things.

I'll take that over what they did to him in the Radical games where they went FULL toady with 'em. I mean, he was always a sidekick, but here they had cringeworthy moments like where Cortex spits in his face and N. Gin tells him how much he likes it

I dunno, I liked that, myself. Just added to N. Gin's weirdness and self loathing.

But then again, I played the later games before I played the originals, so maybe I was just used to it.

Mind over mutant was great for making Cortex a threat though

>tfw Radical forgot he was even a doctor
>tfw they misnamed him "N-Gin" for the longest time just because of the battleship level from Twinsanity

Radical reboot designs were pretty good honestly

Except for the fucking elephant in the room, Tiny

Granted his original design wasn't jack shit near a tiger, but that was the point

I like the design, just not as a redesign for Tiny

Tiny's supposed to be a tasmanian tiger which isn't actually a cat, which is why he looked so weird originally

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I didn't like Crunch's though, they made him more like a MR.T rip-off ever since CTTR

>Granted his original design wasn't jack shit near a tiger, but that was the point
That's because Tiny isn't a Tiger, he's a Thylacine (Tasmanian Tiger).

Cortex and Nina look fine, as does Coco as an older look.

Crash is... ok aside from the tattoos and the fact that he's now smaller than Coco. You can still tell it's Crash at least.

I can live with N. Gin if the only changed the skin colour from that weird blue.

Crunch isn't as bad as Tiny, but it's still Crunch's worst look (Though let's be real, of all the Bandicoot's, he's the one the fanbase cares the least about)

I didn't mind them at the time, but it's kind of hard going back to them.

Crunch was never that great to begin with, but I dunno, his face looks kind of weird, and having a metallic arm out of nowhere.

Coco's cute, wouldn't mind if they stuck with that.

I didn't dislike Crash's design at the time, but after the Skylanders model, it's a little TOO cutesy and generic? I actually don't mind the tribal tattoos. Still, better than when they stretched out the character model for Mind Over Mutant...

Same with Cortex, didn't mind it at the time, but it's kind of uninteresting in retrospect. I actually think N. Sane Trilogy has him looking his best.

Nina I liked at first, but now I think her uglier design of Twinsanity/Tag Team Racing suit her snotty brat personality better.

N. Gin's is fine, honestly other than N. Sane Trilogy, I thought hes always looked good. I'd say probably his Twinsanity model is my favorite.

I hate to say it, but Ive never been a huge fan of Tiny's design, I've never thought he looked all that great. Still, I can see why fans were pissed at this.

Original Tiny looked good. It has a striking sillohette. This is shit. Crunch was always retarded, t//bh

I like the tattoos .
Tribal tattoos were the fad during those times

As opposed to what, generic tough guy? At least making him a Mr. T ripoff made him funny, he has tons of great stupid lines.

I still have issues with Douchey Tribal Tattoo Crash and On Her Way to Becoming a Bimbo Coco, but they're not objectively bad. They fit the Radical characters well enough.

Cortex looks good, nina and n.gin look ok, tiny is pretty much a new character at that point.

Crash and coco look a bit weird (she looks better in mind over mutant) and crunch looks like an abomination from furaffinity in crash of the titans. His mind over mutant is a improvement over both the original and the reboot designs though.

Its a bit surprising there is so little porn of coco in the MoM design, its like the first time they tried to make her look attractive.

Thats actually pretty nice. The outfits/styles fit the origins of the two masks.

Uka uka looks like aborigen ganondorf though.

>Same with Cortex, didn't mind it at the time, but it's kind of uninteresting in retrospect. I actually think N. Sane Trilogy has him looking his best.
I still prefer the twinsanity design, though the n.sane trilogy design is very good too (super faithful to the original too).

If we do end up getting a new Crash game, I hope N. Gin's personality will be kept the same as in the originals/the remake. Radical era fucked him over pretty bad.

It's weird that Crash Bandicoot is suddenly relevant again.

Kinda makes me want to re-read Crash Retold.

>As opposed to what, generic tough guy? At least making him a Mr. T ripoff made him funny, he has tons of great stupid lines.
Mr.T ripoff > generic tough guy > "IMMA GONNA KILL YOU CRESH, I HAVE A ELEMENTAL MASK"

Radical era N. Gin is the only reason I like him so much. I dunno, I feel like the characters didn't actually have that much going for them originally and the writers for Twinsanity/Tag Team Racing made them funny.

Funny enough, I actually think his Wrath of Cortex design is the best, but he's the least interesting in it.

Mind over mutant made a much better crunch

I think her MOM design is really cute, really nice, but I don't know if it really suits her "brains of the operation" character. Then again, NONE of them really do, but it makes her seem more ACTION GIRL.

>not liking Crunch the Echidnacoot

If anything, the biggest problem after Wrath of Cortex was that they did nothing with him...he was a boss in Mind over Mutant but that was it.

Tiny is a Thyceline, or a Tasmanian Tiger

Thats why his redesign in -Of the Titans/ Mind over Mutant is so offensive, it betrays the general Australian theme all the other characters had

I like him a bit in CTTR but what was the point of him in CoT he was just there.

Huh

Pic related made no sense though. The design itself wasn't that bad but they should've just made it a new mask character.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Very weird.

I thought Aku Aku's was alright, not sure which design I prefer, though. I AM glad they kept Greg Eagles as his voice though, he's great.

I'm guessing they wanted to make it more evil looking

>tfw Twinsanity will never get a full remake, putting in the half of the game that got cut and fixing the bugs

I'll never recover...

>Then again, NONE of them really do, but it makes her seem more ACTION GIRL.
Makes a bit of sense, her being playable and all that jazz (though she plays exactly the same as crash, just with different animations).

While Crash hasn't been relevant in terms of releases for years, he's always been fondly remembered by so many people because they played the original three on PS1. Every time there some anniversary or Sony collection thing (Especially Playstation All-Stars), the first question is almost always "Where's Crash?"

The same can be said for Spyro: Enter The Dragonfly.

But for that to happen, we'd need to have the Spyro trilogy remastered first.

>ACTION GIRL
That's dumb though. Coco's charm comes for her being that token computor nerd archetype straight out of the 90s. Hell, she's holding her cute little pink laptop while platforming around in the remake.

I like how Gin in the originals (and Wrath of Cortex) was pretty chill and rational, and only losing his shit whenever he got beaten. He felt like he was on equal levels with Cortex before Radical games reduced him to Cortex's Igor

Fair enough! I don't agree, but I can definitely see why people wouldn't care for the newer N. Gin.

Here's my idea for a reboot

>It starts in the forests of N Sanity islands, a non-anthropomorphic Bandicoot sees a box trap with a wumpa fruit as bait, he falls for it, then a obj.motherfucker dressed as Crocodile Dundee appears and rubs his hands
>Cuts to a retelling of the opening to Crash Bandicoot only without the Tawna scene
>Crash winds up on N. Sanity beach, he meets Aku-Aku, who tells him that he'll help him get the interlopers off his islands
>It would pretty much play the same as the first game, only with a secret boss Coco (you fight her in a boss battle similar to N. Gin in 2 only harder)

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Let's actually say nothing about Enter the Dragonfly.

And honestly, it's Activision. Even though N Sane Trilogy will bring in good sales, they probably won't bother with Spyro, since they have Skylanders raking in the cash. No matter how well this rerelease does, it'll inevitably be considered a failure because it didn't make more money than the entire company has ever made in total. That's just how corporate types think these days.

I wouldn't be so sure. Their Skylanders sales have been going down the tubes over the last few years, and with how spectacularly Crash is selling, I think a Spyro remaster is more likely than ever.

I've actually never played the original Spyro games that much, what I DID play didn't do that much for me, but maybe I'll try them again sometime.

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The only character I felt benefitted from the redesign was Nina, though her new personality I couldn't stand.

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>meanwhile in another universe...

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>A Stealthy Crash Bandicoot Thread without the Best Incarnation on Crash Bandicoot to date.

Does he really count? That series was made by a different creator entirely who from what I gathered didn't know how he'd be in the movie proper.

I do like how in the CGI cartoon, he's more faithful to the movies while also showing that he -can- be a serious threat when he bothers.

Your implying her old self had a personality

Apparently in the Crash 2 Beta, they were way harder. Komodo Moe started throwing swords at 2 HP instead of 1, and his room attack was far more spread out. Komodo Joe would actually attempt to attack you rather than bouncing around the room. Probably toned down due to playtesters sucking at videogames.
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pretty much every villain in TMNT 2012 except Shredder and Tiger Claw

Fair enough
But I'd prefer a blank slate to "bratty faux-emo Cortex Jr."

Doubly so, the design notes painted a much different vision for her character

Man, when VV makes a new game, PLEASE retcon her out of existence.

Eh, I think bratty snot Nina works fine. And not just because I want her to dominate and laugh at me.

I just don't really care for them making her more "hot" in those later games, I felt like it didn't suit her as well.

You never fail to surprise me with your shit taste, Boco.

Shut up Boco
Reminder that VV used Nina first.

Game canon

You can't deny she's ugly as sin and added nothing to the series.

Her and that whole "Academy of Evil" plot from Twinsanity was when the series went from "a subdued Looney Tunes" to "look how wacky and off the wall we can be, haha!".