>Feige: Well, we never even looked at it as a big reveal necessarily but more of just a fun homage to his past adventures and his past love. She's not Mary Jane Watson. She never was Mary Jane Watson. She was always this new high school character, Michelle, who we know there's an "M" in Michelle and an "M" in Mary. [laughs] So we're so clever and we thought, "Wouldn't it be neat if her initials were MJ?" And then I think it leaked that she would be playing MJ and then it became a whole headache for Zendaya to have to navigate. It was never a big, "Oh my God, it's a big reveal!" There are big reveals in the movie. That's not one of them.
>Pascal: She is not going to end as being Mary Jane Watson.
>Feige: She's not Mary-Jane Watson. Is she going to date Peter? Are they going to fall in love? She seems to be intrigued with him. There's a nice chemistry there. Who knows what will happen in the future films?
Lets devote an entire scene to having Michelle telling everyone to call her "MJ". But its definitely not intended to be taken seriously. Was just a funny nod, guise!
Easton Hernandez
I'm so sick of dozens of threads about this bitch.
Joseph Rogers
I wish she was MJ just to piss off the racist fans.
Jace Rodriguez
Is everyone with the last name Feig/Feige a colossal piece of dogshit?
Lucas Taylor
People are more upset about the waffling and Sony trying to have it both ways with a OC creation
Jose Jackson
>Wanting a character even vaguely resemble the character they are named after is now racist
Ian Lopez
>backpedaling
Define backpedaling. You think they're scared of the couple of idiots crying online about a nickname?
Michael Sanchez
People have been saying that since for fucking ever. Sorry your outrage-driven headcanon wasn't validated user.
Jace Cook
No. Feig and Feige are completely different people, dumbass.
Justin King
>You think they're scared of the couple of idiots crying online about a nickname?
Yeah, Feige has openly stated that this has been a colossal PR nightmare.
Daniel Roberts
>outrage-driven headcanon wasn't validated wut?
Lucas Gonzalez
>named after Oh yeah, remember Michelle from the comics, she's my fav
Has he? Or are you referring to the OP quote?
Jaxson Sanders
We've wasted so much energy on a character we knew since 8 months ago wasn't going to be Mary Jane not being Mary jane that we haven't talked how terrible a John Hughes/Spiderman mashup was going to be. >like seriously John Hughes?
Camden Ortiz
>"MJ" >Not named after someone in the comics
>Or are you referring to the OP quote? He literally says in the OP: "And then I think it leaked that she would be playing MJ and then it became a whole headache for Zendaya to have to navigate."
Feige has been playing damage control since the movie came out.
Charles Ortiz
you are literally so autistic it's giving me secondhand embarrassment, you need to chill the fuck out and do something with your life op, this shit is unhealthy
Luke Hall
Is her name Mary Jane watson. >no Then she was never supposed to be Mary Jane Watson.
Alexander Morris
>So we're so clever i hope they fire this guy,he sounds like an asshole
Sebastian Baker
No she's supposed to be Spider-Man's love interest named MJ, that's completely different
Camden Jones
I thought they were calling her MJ cause she looks like a feminine version of Micheal Jackson.
Aiden Wilson
Whats the problem with spiderman wanting to bang mixed/light skinned black girls? Is MJ being red haired and having a super model body the only important aspects to her character? Whats wrong with trying something new?
Gavin Davis
Wow, how fucking stupid do you have to be to not only read a post wrong, but to reply in such a completely retarded manner. I feel legitimately sorry for your parents and anyone unfortunate enough to have to spend time around your downs-syndrome ass.
Gavin White
>running-through-backyards routine from Ferris Bueller >I got that ref- >they just straight ups how the movie out in the yard with Peter saying "GOOD MOVIE!"
You could really tell that some idiot from Sony was afraid that the kids wouldn't catch the obvious references and made sure they put that in there.
Christian Allen
Thing is, it's not that Zendaya is Mary Jane; she's "MJ" and she's replacing Mary Jane altogether.
Joshua Morales
...because journalist after journalist kept asking her if she was really Mary Jane, because her actual role in the movie fell into irrelevancy as people were more curious about the leak than what she or the director had to say, not because people hated her for stealing Mary Jane's role or whatever you're thinking
Luke Richardson
>sony You mean Marvel.
Tyler Taylor
It's pandering, lazy, and it's hard to care about characters that change dramatically every few years to satisfy the current zeitgeist
Jason King
>she's replacing Mary Jane altogether No she isn't.
Logan Peterson
Welcome to comic books, user.
Julian Johnson
so who plays Mary Jane?
Jeremiah Ortiz
So Mary jane character is entirely wrapped up in the fact that she's white.
Noah Rodriguez
at least Cap didn't tell us to go home because the movie is already over.
although Deadpool already did that.
Nathan Hall
No, I don't. Marvel hasn't felt the need to explain their references in such an obvious stupid manner before, whereas the Sony people always act like goddamn retards. So it's a good bet that the retarded idea came from the retarded side of the collaboration, same place the "no big deal!" hip-with-the-kids v-logging shit came from.
Jonathan Ortiz
>trying something new It's not exactly "something new" any more. It's a Hollywood meme and it's outstayed its welcome.
Nathan Phillips
>that the kids wouldn't catch the obvious references Why the fuck WOULD kids catch it? How many parents do you think are showing their kids Feris Buller or how many kids do you think even give a shit about that movie?
I doubt you knew every single reference Animaniacs did as a kid.
Henry White
Right, and John Blake was never supposed to be Robin, right?
Bentley Brown
That's not even remotely what I said, but yes, race is an aspect of her character
if they had left her white but made her rich instead of poor or a scientist instead of an actor it, particularly to pander to the audience, it would still have been shit
Henry Young
We don't know.
Joseph Cooper
>Is MJ being red haired and having a super model body the only important aspects to her character?
Why don't you try reading a comic sometime and find out for yourself?
Nicholas Ross
So nobody
When you have a long established character called MJ and you delete her and and add new character called MJ, that's a replacement
Michael Stewart
Knowing this generation, they'd assume that it was spoofing the Dominos commercial, not Feris Buller.
Carson Allen
Hey fucko, go back to Sup Forums
Benjamin Richardson
>race is an aspect of Mary jane No it isn't, race never played a factor in her character.
Lincoln Hughes
>Is MJ being red haired and having a super model body the only important aspects to her character?
Well, yes.
Asher Sanders
I can tell you don't like Mary Jane. The problem isn't even just not looking like her, is that she doesn't even have the same personality or even anything vaguely resembling the same personality.
Josiah Myers
>writing the classic character MJ out of the movie Wow, sexist much Sony/Marvel?
Lincoln Powell
>up and coming disney channel starlet >given a controversial role in the mcu, because who knows, her manager knew which strings to pull and she didn't want to be in the Descendants 2 or something.
Blame Disney for this one.
Nicholas Wilson
race plays a factor in every character, particularly with marvel who love to touch on social issues
Robert Richardson
I hope she is the MCUs Mary Jane Watson and I hope you screeching retards lose lots of sleep over it
Christian Kelly
How does race play into Mary jane watson's character then. Explain how being white is central to Mary Jane watson.
Adrian Flores
So should Animaniacs have spelt out all of the references so that kids couldn't miss any of them? Of fucking course not.
Showing the exact scene on a tv while you're doing your version of it serves no goddamn purpose. Either the kid doesn't know about that scene and then having the same thing happen on the tv in the scene makes no sense, or they have seen it and shouldn't need it pointed out. It's done for the dumbest of mouthbreathers who would have asked "so that part where he ran through backyards was an homage to Ferris Bueller, right?" if they hadn't gotten definitive proof of it in the scene.
Juan Robinson
>pair all white female heroes with black men >pair all black female heroes with white men >pair Asian women with robots >pair Asian men with NO ONE
Easton Robinson
>this character that isn't Maty jane doesn't act like Mary jane.
Jaxon Morris
Because MJ is a successful model that gets repeat exposure on real magazines made for normal women, not ebony fair and shit.
Ryan Bailey
>It's done for the dumbest of mouthbreathers who would have asked Who? Children?
Who the fuck are you insulting in this sentence, because you seem to be wildly moving your targets to express rage at a two second joke.
Andrew Wood
we've already established that she's the MCU's Mary Jane Watson, they just changed her name to Michelle and they cast a black girl to score diversity points
She's white, along with her red hair it's the first thing you'd notice about her
Jackson Hughes
>this character isn't anything like Mary Jane! Cause she's not.
David Cruz
Great, how much sleep have you lost? Please keep me updated
Jacob Ramirez
>called "MJ" >budding interest in Peter >a rebellious, free-spirited girl (much like what MJ was in 60s) >played by a model She is Disney's Marvel's New and Improved "MJ". Enjoy your cheese, mousekeeter.
Jayden Green
>we've already established that she's the MCU's Mary Jane Watson No you haven't, you made the claim but you never proved it.
John Brown
>called "MJ" Is her name Mary jane tho? >no Then it's not Mary Jane.
Angel Butler
She's the character meant to replace MJ. Until the actual Mary Jane Watson shows up (she won't), this will still be the case.
Ryan Jenkins
that's the problem, why delete a long beloved character like MJ just for this pickaninny?
I just woke up, slept great, saw Baby Driver the other day instead of wasting my money on this Retcon nonsense
Aaron Rodriguez
Of course she's not Mary Jane, but she's still "MJ". It's the same shit Nolan did in TDKR with Robin.
Carter Sanchez
Who said anything about proving anything? do you have to prove that the sky is blue? No, it just is.
There was one MJ, now there's a different MJ, Mary Jane Watson doesn't exist in the MCU, why don;'t you prove any of that incorrect?
Chase Walker
>She's the character meant to replace MJ. Except that's something that inly you've been saying. This shit is like a vroken record right now. >I can't believe they fucked up Mary Jane like this! >she's not Mary Jane >well she's her replacement >but still I can't believe they fucked up Mary Jane like this!
Ian Campbell
She's Jonahs kid
> obsessed with Peter > Dad is obsessed with Spidey > Michelle Jameson > last name secret for a reason > callback to the Vulture dad reveal in the next movie
Evan Howard
They fucked up because they cut out a hole where Mary Jane was supposed to be and in her place put a replacement straight out of tumblr.
Jayden Roberts
>why delete a long beloved character like MJ They didn't, you're assuming that they did and getiing outraged but that is an unfounded claim.
Noah Long
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Michael Price
>why delete a long beloved character like MJ just for this pickaninny? Because having attractive women in your story is sexist and Problematic, didn't you know?
Joshua Martin
Mary jane was never involved in High school spider-man tho, She's only appeared when he was in college.
Ian Murphy
Pretty much this. Mary Jane will never be in these movies because they already have their "MJ".
Ryan Lewis
unless you're an ultimates casual
Dominic Sanders
I think that was being sarcastic, since he's saying it in the context of admitting the "clever" idea blew up in their faces.
Brandon Nelson
Children who knows of Ferris Bueller and the adult capeshit crowd who can't think for themselves.
The scene simply did not need a tv playing the original scene in the background. It's like doing the Deadpool post-credits scene, except instead of just having Deadpool do the bit from the movie you also have the scene playing on the tv behind Deadpool, because you won't trust your audience.
>a two second joke. Practically the first rule of comedy is that you don't explain the joke.
Dominic Gray
>Spiderfags have their 999th autistic fit of the day that Spidey doesn't have his boring token waifu
Leo Perry
Who's outraged? I'm simply telling the truth, there is one MJ in the MCU and she's not Mary Jane Watson, if you honestly believe they're going to introduce a second MJ named Mary Jane and she'll be the red head from the comics, good for you, but obviously that's a retarded premise, I shouldn't have to spell out to you why they aren't going to do that.
That does sound like current Marvel, they sure do love their ugly women
Landon Morris
I hope she doesn't turn out to be the real MJ. I don't really have a problem with her being Mexican but she is ugly as fuck.....and looks like a man and is not ladylike at all
Christian Morgan
>It's the same shit Nolan did in TDKR with Robin.
You mean the character who had nothing in common with any of the Robins and who never became a Robin?
Aaron Lopez
>Who said anything about proving anything? You did when you said we've established she's mcu mary jane.
Liam Kelly
>delete
That's one funny way to look at things, they didn't use her = so they brutally murdered her character and everything she represents
Was Raimi cruel for "deleting" Gwen (at least initially) and using MJ as the first love that gets threatened by Goblin? Did you hate when the TASM movies "deleted" Gwen Stacy to replace her with a quirky nerd that stole her name? What about all the other spider-babes that these movies barely mention? So much deletion!
Evan Cruz
Is the character named MJ, is she in the MCU?
Noah Walker
MARVEL IS DRINKING YOUR TEARS
William Price
>Until the actual Mary Jane Watson shows up (she won't), this will still be the case.
I don't think she won't show up. Especially if assuming your theory of her being a replacement is true. Making a new character, but the only similarity being the initials? Sounds like they intended it as a dip in the water.
I'm sure that they (assuming they haven't already) will change their minds about the character because of the negative blacklash they're getting and they'll either deliver a proper Mary Jane or write Michelle out and not use Mary Jane either.
Asher Lopez
To be fair, it's not exactly the first time the MCU has taken cues from the Ultimate universe.
Brayden Allen
>Is the character named MJ No she's not, MJ is a nickname.
Jayden Williams
Why do you guys talk about the same thing every day
this board is such shit lol
Lucas Foster
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Eli Rivera
They know damn well that she was intended to be Mary Jane, but when the leak happened they realized that their retarded pandering will get them nowhere they had to redo everything.
Grayson Morgan
>Children who knows of Ferris Bueller They don't. Children aren't watching old 80's movies unless their parents introduce it to them first.
>the adult capeshit crowd who can't think for themselves. Oh, you're just a mad autist yourself who wants to sling around buzzwords. You should've said so, I wouldn't have bothered responding to you in the first place.
Next time be more obvious in your first post and say children who like capeshit or something so people know to ignore you right off the bat.
Jason Wood
Why are you getting so worked up?
not using her is the same as deleting her from continuity, and yeah I think if I made a Spider-man movie I would start with Gwen and then move on to MJ, that's the proper way to do it.
I wouldn't make a brand new MJ and if I did I wouldn't cast her as some ugly wog and i would have written her a personality that men desire, because she's meant to be desirable.
Dominic Fisher
>who's outraged You are. >I simply stating a fact No you're not. You're making an erroneous assumption and refusing to back down from it.
Hunter Young
Not exactly helping your case, user. If I didn't already know that was a girl I'd be commending them on their tuckjob.
Aaron Barnes
Way to move those goal posts
Jaxson Campbell
>Children aren't watching old 80's movies unless their parents introduce it to them first. And most parents do.
Christian Flores
Spider-man fans are cementing themselves as one of the worst cape fanbases on Sup Forums
Jaxson Anderson
lol Ok so when they make the sequel and they have two characters running around named MJ we'll know you're right then, good luck with that
Noah Rodriguez
HAHAHA
most parents make their kids watch youtube
Cooper Myers
Michelle will be called MJ until Mary Jane shows up, Spidey jokes about two MJs in his life and Michelle becomes Michelle again
most obvious love triangle in the world
Tyler Allen
Wow what a surprise people bristle at forced diversity in movies, especially when they have to lose characters they love, what a shock, it's not like we have this conversation every time a black is cast in a white role.