>“It’s this idea that she gets and she sits down and fucking does,” he continued. “And it obviously takes everybody completely by surprise. It takes Hux by surprise. The fact that Hux doesn’t see it coming means it’s probably not a standard military maneuver. I think it was something that Holdo pulled out of her butt in the moment.”
Oh yeah. Now it makes total sense!
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So he admits it was an ass pull.
no one cares about this star wars kiddie garbage anymore
>anymore
Yeah, wonder why.
Well of course he will deny it, fucking hack
Basically this
In other words, total shit
Hahahha the absurd amount of damage control this guys willing to do to try and save his own ass is hilarious
>Be dimwitted
>Despite that, manage to become a millionaire somehow
>Still have to fuck a goblin
>Get to direct a Star Wars
>Ruin the setting
That's not how the American dream is supposed to go.
Why would she have withheld that information from Poe?
Why would she have withheld that information from anybody on the entire ship?
It seems like a pretty good idea to give an announcement, something to the effect of
>hey guys
>we aren't all gonna die, and we aren't just drifting in space needlessly
>I have a plan
how fucking hard was this? it's like the writers of this movie don't know what a military organization is
>these bitches think that are capable of anything, when their fictitious organization is falling apart.
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>Still have to fuck a goblin
You know damn well it's she who fucks him with a strap-on, not the other way around.
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Well why not just have hyperdrive torpedoes then?
Rian you are a fucking slow cunt.
>Address criticisms of your film by fans.
>Never actually address the main point of criticism.
He did the same thing with Luke's hologram.
Rian explaining his movie
And flying Leia. Oh, wait, he kinda touched the subject with
>moving in vacuum must be much easier than moving in non-vacuum, right?
Really subverts my physics.
>Nobody in the history of Star Wars (not even the guy who invented hyper speed) ever thought of the possibility of what would happen if a ship were to collide with another ship at hyper speed
>Holdo just magically had the idea pop into her head
tfw you realize it equates to ISIS truck rampage in europe, however if the director ever admits this they'll also admit the rebels being in the wrong.
its like Fury Road all over again.
Finally someone using archived links on this shitty imageboard.
>Litterally Space ISIS
Thanks for making the Resistance a truly terrorist faction.
Palpatine did nothing wrong.
>Hahahha the absurd amount of damage control this guys willing to do to try and save his own ass is hilarious
You know he senses his career is in trouble because it most likely is. This reeks of desparation. It stinks.
I fucking hate Rian Johnson. What a piece of shit hack.
Post characters that had a better sacrifice than Holdo.
Targeting military resources through suicide attacks isn't the hallmark of terrorism, that's a misnomer. It's a legitimate strategy in warfare but it also reeks of deparation.
why does this grown up "man" talk like and edgy teen?
Did he even watch his own movie? Hux and his officers do see it coming and try to stop it.
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That doesnt explain the plot hole at all. I mean is he trying to say that people couldnt imagine the act of hyperspace ramming and simply never tried it?
How many of these fucking defense articles have been written?
I haven't seen damage control like this since Mass Effect 3.
Les Baines?
The original Rebellion could be compared to the Al Queda/Taliban system and they would attack the Imperial patrols that stabilized the galaxy at large.
The Resistance is the more extreme radicalist splinters left from the rebels that would likely enjoy company with Saw Gerrera. Maybe we can see the mooks HSR some space stations that bear Imperial markings.
What about DmC and the whole fucking GamerGate?
I agree it's not a plot hole. There is no reason to call it so.
>"The fact that Hux doesn’t see it coming means it’s probably not a standard military maneuver. I think it was something that Holdo pulled out of her butt in the moment.”
That's where Johnson fucked up. He doesn't even realize the magnitude of the box of worms he opened with this. The SW universe has thousands of years of history. If something like hyperspace ramming was feasible, it sure as hell would have been discovered ages ago and would be a known military procedure. And it fucks up warfare in that setting forever. Though to be fair JJ started this shit in TFA already, with Solo jumping into a planet's atmosphere by pulling a lever "at the right moment". Yeah, right. Fuck Luke and Rey, Han Solo is the force god here. Speaking of which, fuck infiltrating Starkiller base. The plan was to blow up a specific gizmo in order to destabilize the entire planet. May as well have just hyperspace rammed a Mon Calamari Cruiser right into the facility. Load it full of those magic bombs that can destroy a dreadnought, while you're at it. No planet sized super weapon for the Empire/FO ever again!
Gamergate was just a hilarious shitstorm. I guess that could count as narrative control, not really damage control.
DmC, you've got me there. That was pretty fucking funny.
> If something like hyperspace ramming was feasible
Most people want to stay alive.
So put a hyperdrive on rocks or other projectiles. Or get droids to fly the ships.
It wouldn't have the same effect as a shit ramming into another ship. Also, it didn't even destroy Snoke's ship.
but then how would holdo be brave?
This please stop wasting space and somehow getting past my filters
So they spent god knows how many resources on a big giant MOON FUCKING SIZED space lazer, and never though about just ramming something with hypserspace.
Fuck you rian
I suppose that Rian took a peak on some Wookieepedia articles, but didn't bother to read anything besides the titles.
It literally cut a third off the ship, it fucking wrecked it.
>not having the same effect
Who says this? you?
>didn't even destroy Snoke's ship.
Everyone important evacuates im pretty sure it did its job
It literally obliterated most of the fucking FO's fleet, you retard.
So do TIE fighter pilots, yet they fly out into combat with the defensive capabilities of a wet paperbag. Also, Astromechs and droids are a thing. Or build one of those high tech remote control buttons, like the asian chick had in the bomber at the beginning of the movie. Just point the cruiser in the right direction and push the remote control button to jump.
It split it in fucking half. And shotgun blastedand destroyed ALL the ships behind it. It was OP as fuck.
>I think it was something that Holdo pulled out of her butt in the moment
She attacked the fleet with a big black cock? I didn't watch the film but looks like that's what happens according to that guy
> ‘Yeah, this is a thing and they outlawed it.’
They need to outlaw the rebels too.
It's amazing how the imperial retards never thought that, maybe, the Supremacy was a giant target that could be destroyed by a small ship using this cheap trick and it was a better idea to build millions of smaller ships.
> “It’s this idea that she gets and she sits down and fucking does,”
The absolutely mad woman.
there's an alternative
> write a lazy and stupid script to put in the scenes you wanted to have I'm your movie
> get called out on it so much your bullshit excuses force you to develop some skill in continuity and story structure
Why is he swearing...? Never once in thirty years did I ever watch or read an interview with Lucas or Spielberg where they'd be talking about their latest exciting family-friendly flick and have the word FUCK come out of their mouths. Or have them talk about characters pulling idea out of their butt. And he's working for Disney, which at one time was the gold standard for family entertainment.
The rot must really run deep.
she kamikazed her ship using light speed. It looked very impressive. But once you got out of the theater and started using your brain.
you start to wonder why didn't the rebels use it to destroy Vader Ship in the first movie or the death star. The scene actually ruins the original trilogy with its mere existence.
Of course since the majority of people prefer the OT over Nuwars there's an obvious disconnect.
>using suicide bombing to save the day
they're not even subtle about it any more
>that iceberg didn’t even damage the titanic, it only ended up in two pieces
>can i get invited to the prerelease screening now mr mouse?
Yet they had enough resourced to send people down to the planet to attack the surviving people.
I initially watched the movie last night. Almost none of you people are remembering this right.
So how much you wanna bet the damage control for the sequel will be some story behind that maneuver. Like her action caused a tear in space and the entire movie is about sealing it and the empire using that against the rebels to smear them and their recklessness etc.
It was kinda a "devil may care" attitude among arthouse directors in the 60s and 70s, but it has become today just a sign of bastardized discourse and intellectual insincerity.
Reminds me of my little sister who cusses non-stop to show how "mature" she is >_>
The surviving 50 people. There were like 4 transport ships that made it down.
What a fucking joke.
actually, the only reason why the iceberg did as much damage is that the ship tried to turn causing more damage. You people have no clue what a plothole is.
>It's yet another "Rian Johnson pathetically tries to damage control for his dumpster fire, but just ends up embarassing himself" episode
There were more than 50 people on the first orders side.
no i remember them evacuating the ship. Now what does it mean to evacuate a ship Mr. Shill?
It means that ship is no longer viable and is a liability to every one on aboard. It means that withing a few minutes the danger of it exploding is very high.
It means dumbass that it was functionally destroyed and no longer served a purpose.
Yeah there were a whole, what? A dozen AT-ATs and 20 TIE fighters.
Why don't you go rewatch TLJ and realize how hard Holdo fucked the fleet up?
That doesn't cover the plot hole. Just because nobody would consider hyperspace ramming doesn't mean that hyperspace ramming invalidates the entirety of Star Wars.
lol - shit director forced to think about what he wrote after the movie's release.
>t. roastie
It’s a 60 km ship, they deployed from the other end that wasn’t exploding. But that ship is dead in the water and not going anywhere without extensive repairs. I don’t know what you mean by the second part, we literally see a half dozen star destroyers behind it get cut to pieces. It was a fleet of 8 star destroyers, not sure how that doesn’t count as most.
How did the EU handle Hyperjump mechanics? The way I rationalized Han Solo's "flying through a star" comment was that huge gravitation wells like planets and stars could pull you out of hyperspace before you can actually fly through them, but you're fucked anyway, because you'd be so close that you'll crash into to gravitation source anyway. That's why interdictors were a thing.
Yeah totally destroyed you are right guys.
>write a star wars movie so bad you have to damage control it on the internet more than a month later
DmC and ME3 were so different yet so similar
>one was a total butchering of what was supposed to be an enormous end to an epic trilogy
>the other was a reboot of a franchise that ACTIVELY INSULTED the previous entries and characters, and indirectly (if not directly) belittled people who enjoyed the previous games
sorry, but no
There's a reason it's called "The Galactic Empire"
It's not the local governance. The individual planets function like colonies. They have their own laws, and police, etc. The only thing they don't have is military, as that is what the Empire is.
Therefore, the original rebel alliance, being formed of many defectors from government, and only targeting the military installations is akin to a typical revolution/rebellion. They're forcing the military out of the space so their governments can operate independently. Most terrorism is not attempting to remove an outside force (Al queda and the taliban for instance) rather they attempt to enter an outside force, attack and invade, to coerce the government to do what they want.
Rebellions tend to be wars of attrition while terrorism tends to be wars about expansion/strengthening
The resistance is far more like terrorists, because the first order is the invading force, having pushed out the new republic, taken over their lands, and forced their military to go on the run. In turn, the military has started attacking wildly without consideration.
Granted it wasn't on a direct order, but what finn and rose did was definitely terrorism. Closer to eco terrorism than anything, but they ransacked a giant civilian center and why? because "only one type of person makes that kind of money"
That's bullshit, they were specifically sent there to find a codebreaker. Since when were codebreakers weapons dealers? What about everyone who works at the casino? they're not weapons dealers.
The resistance hasn't leveled up to pure ideological terrorism but they're at least antifa level terrorists
That sounds more like a TV series 2-parter plot than a conclusion to an epic trilogy.
I don't know what you're trying to do by being so thick.
>It’s been a month times 1.5 and Rian Johnson is still vigorously defending his garbage film
Didn’t say it was a plothole mister mouse. I said it fucked up the ship because you stupidly tried to claim the ram wasn’t effective.
IF YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN MONTHS AFTER THE FACT THAT SOMETHING IN YOUR FILM ISN'T A PLOTHOLE IT JUST MEANT IT WAS SUCH A BAD PLOTHOLE THAT IT TOOK ENTIRE EXTRA MONTHS TO PULL SOMETHING OUT OF YOUR ASS TO COVER IT.
the logical assumption is that the actual ramming effect is fairly short, and causes collateral damage
but if they don't introduce warp drive kamikaze pilots for the first order in the next movie, I'll be sorely disappointed
>"For the supreme leader!"
>Small tie fighter takes out resistance cruiser
So i must suspend my disbelief and willfully believe that a republic with over a 1000 years legacy never once considered kamikaze a viable option.
In the face of extinction by a weapon called the death star the thought of taking you with me never once enters the mind of a rebel commander?
Sorry user my suspension of disbelief only goes so far.
yeah it is. whats your point you think a ship can take that type of damage and not slowly be destroyed? Life support,Navigation, etc. That ships fucked
let me put a similarly proportionate gash in your skull and see how well you function.
actually might be an improvement in your case
Would you get on my boat that had a third of it cut off in a collision on a world cruise?
>The USS Arizona was still mostly intact guys I don't get why they didn't just counter attach with it.
>goblin fucker cum all over star wars legacy
>49% RT audience score
>RUIN JOHNSON'D
fugggggggggggg
Still doesn't explain why she didn't do it until 3/4 of the escapees got blown out of the sky.
Also, a hearty kek at the amount of articles I've seen with the director himself having to defend his own movie.
This is like the fourth one I've seen. The mark of a great film, truly.
She kinda looks like Aubrey Plaza but way fucking ugly
Why even have kamikaze pilots? This opens up to just having faster-than-light kinetic penetrators. Way more powerful than a laser.
Is this guy actually retarded? Nothing he said even related to the fact that it's a plot hole
user ... I outright said the Rebellion was Space Taliban, you know that governing body that was officially in charge of Afghanistan for a good while.
I said the Resistance was like ISIS as they infact were splintered off the Rebellion that did not share the former Rebellions faith in the new system, opting to remain a non-government actor.
why are you asking user and not the writers/director that allowed this powercreep in the first place?
It's not a plot hole because we already fucking know ships can hit things in hyperspace. Solo himself mentions it, I think in Empire, how he needs to calculate a jump or they could wind up slamming into a star or planet.
Of course the fact the Relativistic Kill Vehicles are not used more often in SW is something of a question, one that's easy to answer: it's boring. Effective, but boring in a universe filled with pew pew.
>addressing a plot hole that I've not heard mentioned once
the plot hole is how she managed to get to this high a rank in a rebel navy, with a complete lack of leadership skills
remember that this is a navy that doesn't have to promote out of harms way to save embarrassment because they don't really have a public image to take care of
she did have a plan, one plan, that she risked not carrying out by allowing herself to be mutinied upon
Funny thing though, even if we accept the hyperspace ramming, how did the star destroyer not get instantly blown to bits from the energy exchange?
>Is this guy actually retarded?
It would explain his screenplay tbqh
So... they didn't use it because that makes for a bad story. Except this one time. "It doesn't have narrative consistency, but that's a good thing!"
Even if Holdo really fucked up the three ships following the Raddus, it shouldn't have mattered in the long run.
The First Order has many many more resources available outside of the Supremacy and the ships travelling with it. The opening scroll tells us they took over the Galaxy. Battlefront II TLJ DLC tells us they have about sixty Star Destroyers. I guess they either forgot to tell the BFII writers that Rian Johnson planned for the FO to dwindle down to a dozen AT-ATs and twenty TIE-fighters, or Rian Johnson has absolutely no sense of scale, or any idea how many resources a future Galaxy-spawning Empire would need to take over said Galaxy in a matter of days.
Even if Leia had allies in the Outer Rim all the FO needed to do was to station one or two Star Destroyers above Crait and blockade the shit out of them until they can mobilize enough resources to nuke them from orbit. But Rian makes us believe that slow-ass AT-ATs and McGuffin canon was the only way.
TL;DR : FO is too powerful and would have wrecked the Resistance if Kylo wasn't a fucking idiot, Holdo's sacrifice doesn't matter in the long run.
>Nearly cuts Snokes 60km ship in half
>Obliterates 10 destroyers behind it as well
It's not effective at all!
I can understand if it were like using an atomic bomb and the good guys don't want to stoop to such levels. But that excuse does not work for the bad guys. The bad guys should be using it left and right.