What are some good postmodern movies?

What are some good postmodern movies?

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Pretty much every good movie made since the late 1960s. Read a book and actually learn what postmodernism is.

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Shrek 2

Ghostbusters (2016)

So...

Autism?

according to vince gilligan breaking bad is a postmodern western

Why are brainlets unable to comprehend postmodern works? I’ve never met anyone who struggled to understand postmodern literature, art, or film.

Monty Python and the Holy Grail

more like a soyboy western

unironically pulp fiction is textbook postmodernism.
>style over substance
>non-linear
>gratuitous meaningless violence
>unresolved mystery

>le postmodern is senseless garbage meme
Dumb OP.

Nothing postmodern is good because it rejects the idea of anything being good or better than anything else.

>hurr durr i don't actually know what postmodernism means and i'm going to avoid the question by telling others to "Read a book" even though it has no implication to the original statement

*introduce the word "post-modernism" to a generation of braindead retards

pssh...nothing personal

>>gratuitous meaningless violence
It's not particularly violent.

>Breaking Bad
>soyboy
Did we watch the same show?

Postmodernism is Jewish nonsense

dont be mad soyboy

based

Postmodernism depends greatly on Nietzsche and Heidegger, neither of which were jews. Heidegger was an unapologetic member of the NSDAP, in fact.

Until it becomes a box office hit and wins an Oscar, then there is a formula of what makes postmodern good

>A philosophy based on rejection of reason and objective reality isn't senseless garbage
Dumb frogposter

Define and describe postmodernism first

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What are some films that sum up well the Post post-modern hyper-meta millennial world under the post-industrial late capitalism lifestyle, while simultaneously predicting the Ultra-futurist cyber-hellscape (Virtual Post-Reality) of the distant year of 20XX

You are confusing postmodernism with post-structuralism, you massive brainlet.

So monetary success (which translates to power) is considered objectively good in postmodern thought? Sounds like a flavor of hypocritical communism. Great.

You're looking for the film equivalent to vaporwave.

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>Richard
Stopped reading the title there.

>Projecting this hard
The most basic definition of postmodernism is that it's a rejection of metanarratives. In film, that usually means a very self-conscious awareness of genre and typical narrative (or filming) conventions. It's pretty almost standard in film since the late 1960s (and especially after the New Hollywood movement, which was heavily influenced the French movements of the 50s and 60s); most people never notice because postmodern tropes are pretty much standard in our culture now (hell, just look at the site you're using right now), and they don't actually know what postmodernism is. Most acclaimed films from that period onwards (especially the shit that gets remembered) are almost guaranteed to have postmodern elements; Once Upon a Time in the West, Taxi Driver, Star Wars, Apocalypse Now, Blade Runner, any David Lynch film, and indie movie from the 90s (especially Tarantino's stuff), No Country for Old Men, the list would go on forever.

Most of the movies you like are probably postmodern.

Hasn't Postmodernism become the new modernism?

postmodernism is mostly senseless garbage, though. You could see it with Foucault and how his philosophy was practically eating itself and contradicting itself, and postmodernism has only gotten worse ever since.

know your enemy. you neo-marxist post modern commie scum are getting BTFO daily. sort yourself out we are coming for you. PRAISE KEK

>Hey user, i heard you think Foucault is a good philosopher and historian. You don't actually think that, right?

Foucault was fine. Derrida was the worst though

>marxist postmodernism
>marxism: A philosophy of a large metanarrative that claims class struggle is at the root of all of history
>postmodernism: A philosophy that rejects such metanarratives

And those movies are now the norm... try harder kid

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>While encompassing a broad range of ideas, postmodernism is typically defined by an attitude of skepticism, irony, or rejection toward grand narratives, ideologies, and various tenets of universalism, including objective notions of reason, human nature, social progress, moral universalism, absolute truth, and objective reality.[4]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism

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I don't like Dicks.

Foucault wasn't fine. He was a garbage historian and often either cited works that said completely different things from what he claimed they did or he just made shit up (like the so-called "Ship of Fools" in Medieval Europe). As a philosopher, Foucault criticized other philosophers for using oppressive language (while asserting that language itself is oppression), but he never stopped to think whether this also applies to all his own works.

>relativism = postmodernism

I don't care who it is, that's a fucking injustice.
I wonder how that asshole felt when the Third Reich really kicked off.

The two are closely related, and most epistemological relativism is tied to postmodernism

The Cat In The Hat

as if Sup Forums would understand anything about philosophy

I'm sure he was having a gas with his m8s

kek

>And those movies are now the norm
That's exactly my point. Are you retarded?

But the art from the people who graduated is infinitely more interesting than Hitler's bland and boring work.

heh

>slightly dented tubes
>intentonally shitty paintings
>fatasses
>more interesting than beautiful architecture and classical depictions of human perfection and mortality

>Foucault
Again, you are mixing postmodernism with post-structuralism.
Postmodernist art isn't a rejection of reality and embracing of linguistics as the true reality, it's simply an artistic movement with the goal of subverting modernism.
Modernist art's main characteristics are the segregation between high art/low art, the dominance of logic over feeling, self-awareness, etc. It was basically founded on a neo-classical "enlightened" frame as a rejection of romantic values.
Postmodernism is basically a mix of neo-classical characteristics with a more baroque framework with the purpose of going against modernism's "outdated" values.

>wikipedia
Fuck off.

HISS HISS POSTMODERNIST

The admissions board suggested he apply to their architecture program, because he had a good eye for architectural details. He refused because he was too lazy to take deficiency courses and really wanted to be a deep artist.

It's not. I agree that Hitler's art is bland and uninteresting, but there's nothing interesting about amorphous blobs of metal, either. It's a celebration of ugliness

This endlessly confuses me when people namedrop PoMo online. Grand, normative frameworks like 'Marxism' and 'feminism' are as far as you can get from Postmodernism

>classical depictions of human perfection and mortality
exactly

I was talking about postmodernist philosophy, not art.

>beautiful architecture and classical depictions of human perfection
But the proportions and perspectives are all wrong.

Egon Schiele is unironically great though.

Yeah, i just wish he'd drop the faggy expressions in his self-portraits.

Hmm yes very nice

Exactly. That's what makes the fact that so many people take idiots like Jordan Peterson that conflate the two so laughable. Most of the criticism you see of postmoderism anywhere in the internet now is completely made up of people who flaunt their complete ignorance of what it actually is while criticizing it.

'Postmodern' as a diagnosis is meaningless. There are all kinds of conflicting ideas of what it's supposed to mean, like you had a lot of poststructuralist theorists who pushed for many of the ideas associated with it back in the 60s and 70s, and then in the 80s and 90s suddenly various similar (sometimes same) theorists revise things and blame capitalism or whatever for these same ideas and problems. And many things they critique have nothing to do with capitalism or modernity or postmodernity either way.

It's mostly just a really lazy way for people who are ~relatively~ educated to feel like they can speak about our times and have a few ill-realized concepts or names at hand to throw at you in a debate.

And I'm not coming at this from some Jordan Peterson perspective or anything. Although anyone is right at this point to start to dismiss Derrida and Foucault. There are more rigorous ways to do it, and there are some caveats you have to work through though.

Really now? You learned this word in 2017?

I actually like that second guy's stuff.

And it's a shame because postmodernist philosophy is a cancer that should be killed off, especially because of its corrosive influence on the philosophy of history/science and epistemology.

It is

...fairly unsightly yes
>bobos cream themselves over this shit

Looks like a deviantart doodle. I like it, anyway

Post modern books are pretty fun tho, pynchon, dfw and the crew are pretty entertaining

yeah id rather look at a painting of just a fucking boring building with bad angles.

Postmodernist philosophy is an exercise on absurdity with the sole purpose of proving that post-aristotelic philosophy is semantic wankery.
Don't blame the philosophers, blame the marxist bourgeoisie behind academia that keeps supporting them and believing that what Deleuze and Derrida wrote should be taken seriously instead of exercises on nonsense.

Considerably better than shit like and , and that garbage was from a graduate. With the training he would've gotten had he been accepted, Hitler could've been a master.

I'll admit the sculptures in the third row aren't really good, but the paintings, especially the second row, make compelling use of exaggerated traits and expressions.

I'm just meming you, lad. You shouldn't take art so seriously. The best postmodern artist even admitted that the classics were better and that all his products were practically junk.

>he thinks you can pass Art school on skill alone
Hitlers painting where bland, unoriginal and still filled with errors
the others have a creative style that they mastered

>compelling use of exaggerated traits and expressions.

So do retarded wojaks, but they're not being paraded around as strokes of artistic genius.

Those are modernists desu user.
Postmodernism didn't start until the 50's.

t. brainlet who doesn't understand postmodernism

This. Postermodern artists were professional trolls paid by the CIA to counter the Russian Realism movement going on in the USSR.
They'd be the first to tell you they were just fucking with the art world for the lulz.

I can see how Hitler was just a bland Bob Ross, but i don't see any creativity in the sculptures of the third row. All i see are a couple of bent metal pipes.

This.
Postmodernism really only shines in literature.
People like Gaddis and Pynchon are/were too good for this world.

Warhol was a highly skilled draftsman, considered one of the most talented by those who studied with him.

And his work exhibited great design, and was prescient and well-thought-out. You can foolishly take the supposed shallowness at its word but that is a bluff. Also the guy was literally a practicing Catholic, a man of faith.

yes

Postmodernism is the culture cancer that is making our women sluts and gives black people more power over the whites and injects soy in white male genes.

> You can foolishly take the supposed shallowness at its word but that is a bluff.

Then why did he only collect classic art himself, and seemed to despise the aesthetics of postmodern art, including his own products? There's no denying that he was skilled, but he didn't seem to think that his own art was worth collecting.

NUH PERSPECTIVE MUH ANGLES

faggot.

>provide a verified definition from a cited source
>be told to fuck off
what a great postmodernist answer, rejecting evidence, reality and truth...

Is Mr Nobody Pomo?

What is some art that you actually like, Sup Forums? Doesn't matter whether it's critically liked as well

Abstract Expressionists were modernist artists. And they weren't knowingly paid by the CIA you clown, certain foundations were paid to just put a spotlight on art that was already being made in the US to show that the west was thriving and creative, which it was. The ideas said artists were using were directly derived from what was happening in art and very much influenced by American influences, the CIA wouldn't have had the first idea how to figure out those directions.

>They'd be the first to tell you they were just fucking with the art world for the lulz.

Total bullshit. Abstract Expressionists were completely earnest and self-serious.

But 'postmodern artists', which I'm not going to even get into since you wouldn't even know one approach from another, but if you're ignorantly, without any knowledge, trying to talk about what you would describe as 'trolling' stuff, those artists were very serious too and didn't consider art bullshit or a joke. And if you knew jack shit about art you'd know that that whole phase, which was only tiny, low-profile moment, is long since past.