Marvel knows that their true fans hate the new "heros", why keep them...

Marvel knows that their true fans hate the new "heros", why keep them? Are they more concerned about promoting an agenda then keeping fans or making a profit?

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People like nova
People is mix with thor
People like ms marvel,
I don't know about captain america
Miles is getting better.
Vision children are alright.
Moon girl is good within her solo book.

It really seems weird when they have the criticisms levelled at them be voiced in a hyperbolic and ham-fisted manner by random characters. I meant, out of contexts it's irritatingly in your face and comes out of nowhere and feels like a petty politicaly tract by the writer. In-context it just further proves that the civilian population of the Marvel universe are at this point essentially mentally retarded.

>nova sucks
>whor is an impotent feminist bitch
>ms marvel is cute
>captain americas panderous
>miles is bland and also panderous
>visons alright
>moon girl is a smart ass bitch who will never be anything but an entitled ghetto brat

I like nova because he keeps getting shitted on
haven't really given jhor a chance she just comes off really uptight in most of the cross overs she's in
falcap is kinda bland
Miles seems like he's in the exact same spot he was years ago Blander than burnt toast and still under bendis thumb
Viv is ok
Is moongirl less of a brat in her solo?

>People like nova
so much his book is cancelled
>People is mix with thor
I guess
>People like ms marvel,
they liked the art before it changed
>I don't know about captain america
well he's not cap anymore, so that's a clue
>Miles is getting better.
haha what?
>Vision children are alright.
plural huh? you didn't read the book
>Moon girl is good within her solo book.
I realize too late this is a total shitpost

Few people have ever made posts being this absolutely wrong in so few words.

Its honestly kind of impressive.

It's actually true, but riri is forever.

>liking riri
Shes a ghetto ratchet whore and BET reject. Fuck you

>I liked Sam as nova
>Jane as Thor still doesn't work for me which is a shame cause I did like Jason Aaron
>I liked kamala before she became to popular and before I read the authors tumblr, though she still has potental
>I miss the days when the thing I hated most about miles was peters death, at least there was justifiable reason for him to be the spider-man
>cho can still be good but I do miss banner Betty and thunderbolt Ross hulks
>I had no problem with Wilson cap, but the writing got to dang preachy
>I don't mind moon girl to much but please can someone bring reed back to slap some damn humility into her?

Nova is kill
Thor is shit
ms marvel got worse
Same with Cap
Miles will never get better
Moon girl is bad

I only saying it because miles is getting movie and probably getting another writer.

I kind of stand with my opinion for the moon-girl part. She isn't bad, if you don't like her. That is your opinion.

Not in her book. Casual.

Why don't you kys Nazi scum.

Shes a tyler perry black peice of shit. Fuck you and go back to tumblr cuck

>This post

Lol triggered pol scum. I don't even use tumblrr.

Generic ass redneck

this

Because everyone who doesnt like your shitty fanfic black coded character is a nazi rednecks. Go fuck yourself you cuckold faggot

Isn't that the point of that upcoming Generations arc?

Its not about selling books that are good anymore, young user. Its about making books shitty enough so people would buy them to hate read them. Brevoort's whole editorial directive is to make things like America and Mockingbird so they can win Eisners. Gabby is getting interviews and awards (Latino writing awards) for being a fat lesbian Puerto Rican.

Alex Alonzo is in over his head right now. They tried to reach out to a new demographic by hiring YA authors. Didn't work. They are trying to give Waid/Bendis/Spencer enough room to do whatever they want since they're the top talent at Marvel right now. Let that sink it.

They want to recapture the lightning in the bottle that is Ms Marvel. Its scaring them that they can't replicate it.

...

I forgot to mention that Erica Henderson won 2 Eisners. One of them being for Squirrel Girl.

>Moon girl is good within her solo book.
Yeah everything was questionable but then you went and something totally retarded.

Moon girl is awful, the writing is crap, the art is crap, and the writer isn't even in the same zip code as smart enough to write a character who can sound smart. Fuck, it isn't even clever.

I liked Sam as falcon, the king of the birds.

>go on her twitter to tell her her character looks like a retard
>get banned
Jokes on her im gonna ask her to sign squirral girl porn at NYCC

>true fans hate the new "heros"
This month Mighty Thor sold 35k, beating books like Deadpool, Moon Knight, Daredevil, Black Panther, and even books your supposed "true fans" like like Renew Your Vows, and also DC books like both Green Lantern books, Aquaman, Injustice 2, even critically acclaimed Deathstroke.

Meanwhile, the book aimed squarely at "true fans", Ultimates2, sold 18k.

So my question is, supposedly SJWs complain about books they don't read for not having new characters and rehashing the same old ones, and don't buy the books they praise.

You're here complaining about books you don't read for not having the old characters and forcing new ones, and I have to ask, how many books are YOU buying? Are you buying any of the good books from Marvel that DO have classic characters?

You may come back and say "but most of those books are shit anyway", but the fact is still you are not supporting the classic characters, just complaining about new ones that people ARE buying, or at least buying more than the ones for so-called "true fans".

And the irony is that what you call "true fans" seem to mostly be people who have never read a book from before 2012 and are constantly asspained that comics don't have the same status quo as the movies.

You remind me of the "true fans" from the early 90's that whined and whined and whined about Wally West and Tim Drake and Kyle Rayner, while now people are DEMANDING they come back and get more focus. 30 years ago "true fans" hated Wally and Tim and Kyle and couldn't understand how anyone could like them over Barry and Dick and Hal. And even there, sales proved that the people I would consider the real true fans were supporting and buying Flash, Robin and Green Lantern more than they were before.

Furthermore, people lost their shit when Rhodey, Beta Ray Bill and John Walker replaced heroes, and now those are considered all-time classics.

It's almost as if people will ALWAYS bitch about change, no matter what.

Disney gets viewers to watch Freeform tv shows and those seem to have stuff that people on here recently complain about in these comics as being particularly appealing to many 'social justice' advocates. Why can't Marvel make comics that appeal to these people and possibly use as a basis for future tv shows on that channel? It's not like traditional Marvel comic fans are going to be buying comics forever.

Her book is written by a retard trying to write an intelligent character.

That never works, which is why end up with something like "MUH PUZZLE", instead of an actually intelligent character.

I don't know what latino would read America and not feel like punching Rivera in the face afterwards.

>This month
What about every other month?

>when Mighty Thor and Ultimates2 are 2 of your favorite marvel books

Hey, It is your opinion.

>You remind me of the "true fans" from the early 90's that whined and whined and whined about Wally West and Tim Drake and Kyle Rayner, while now people are DEMANDING they come back and get more focus. 30 years ago "true fans" hated Wally and Tim and Kyle and couldn't understand how anyone could like them over Barry and Dick and Hal. And even there, sales proved that the people I would consider the real true fans were supporting and buying Flash, Robin and Green Lantern more than they were before.
>Furthermore, people lost their shit when Rhodey, Beta Ray Bill and John Walker replaced heroes, and now those are considered all-time classics.

None of this fucking matters because they were all done away with.

Whor will never be anything but a whiney entitled feminist bitch. Get fucked by a cactus asswipe

Do you like the smell of your own farts? Sure seems like it.

>It's not like traditional Marvel comic fans are going to be buying comics forever.
They will if they start catering to us again. Get fucked

I mean, making white men out to be weak, evil, smalldicked faggots has pretty much been the #1 concern in the entertainment industry for years, the creators of this shit know that if you hate on whites enough it opens up doors within entertainment, when theyve thoroughly destroyed buried comic books as a whole they know that theyre gonna get a job elsewhere within entertainment because theyve shown themselves willing to be destructive "creatives", its not called degeneracy for nothing ya know

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Marvel gets all its cash from the movies so it's set financially and doesn't have to worry about comic sales right now. If they piss off fans to get positive reviews from critics with an ideological axe to grind for their comics, so be it

>People like nova
His book sold like shit and was cancelled
>People is mix with thor
Her book is actually selling more than most minority heroes
>People like ms marvel
Her fans abandoned her physically after Secret Wars and CW2. But she sells better digitally so there's that.
>I don't know about captain america
Sam Wilson sold less than Captain Nazi. His book fell to 14k. By Brevoort's FF logic, that's cancellation numbers
>Miles is getting better.
Miles does sell
>Vision children are alright.
Her book sold like shit. As does Champions.
>Moon girl is good within her solo book
Sells like shit. Supposedly sells with scholastic (though there's not much proof)

Tyler Perry is one of the few black directors who can make stuff white people aren't afraid to shit on.
Fuck you.

Ms. Marvel was something of a passion project that was created by passionate people. Other legacy characters were desperate grasps ordered by editorial to attempt to recapture the lightning.

Instead of learning to give talented writers and artists room to breath, they decided that checking boxes were what they needed to increase sales.

Because it would make them look racist/sexist to the sjw media

>What the fuck is wrong with you?
I'm guessing it's zero-sum bigotry. If you give more respect to minorities, then to some people it looks like you're giving less respect to non-minorities even when you're still just treating them like normal people.

>being this triggered

And we already know Whor and FalCap are about to end too. Are you really so fucking brainless you thought they wouldn't go back to the status quo eventually? Are you like those same dumbfucks who were bitching about how they "turned Captain American into a Nazi!" and Marvel had to come out and publicly clarify that like every other status quo change in the history of comics it was going to be undone later?

I said nothing about the actual quality of Whor, just that the people who whine incessantly about it haven't even read it, and yet it still sells fine.

April - 37k
March - 36k
Feburary - 40k
January - 47k

Now compare to Unworthy Thor which HAS slightly outsold Whor, to be fair, though it dropped 10k units between issues 2 and 3. So at least Thor fans are putting their money where their mouth is, but are not significantly more than Whor.

As opposed to OP who says he's a "true fan" because everyone who doesn't agree with him must be some sort of fake fan.

And people say SJWs have a victim complex.

Pretty much this. Its even worse, because not only did Marvel kill off all their straight white male characters, but they then further shit on their own fans even more by doing shit like the OPs pic, or Bendis writing Miles saying "I don't want to be black spiderman, just spiderman".

Fuck you, BENDIS, you fucking hack. Miles entire character is nothing but "Peter Parker in blackface", and it's so transparent that you're never going to fool anyone with your shitty hack writing.

they do this alot now don't they.. by that I mean berate criticism levied against them with literal strawmen.

why is the Left obsessed with this sort of rehtoric, to demean the other by making them do the whole "I AM SILLY" routine.

90% of what politics entail right now are about the hyperbolic nature of the press towards Trump's rather uneventful presidency.

Yeah, because turning characters that are created and written as white males into black females is just "giving more respect to minorities", it certainly isnt an exclusion tactics at ALL, having the director of a star was movie tweet "there will be no white people in star wars ever again" is just "being nice to minorities"...
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

>Are you really so fucking brainless you thought they wouldn't go back to the status quo eventually?
No I knew. I'd just rather they not do this sales gimmick at all. Not to mention call anyone who doesn't enjoy it a bigot.

>sales = quality

>the Left
I get that currently the left is being really stupid but you're in denial or underage if you haven't seen that this is a cyclical pattern that keeps emerging from both "the left" and "the right". Remember moms against video games and other shit like that? Instead of focusing on WHO is exhibiting this behavior it would be better to try and point out the behavior itself wherever it pops up and explain why it's cancerous.

of course, but this is now, talking about the 60's like it means anything, right now, is stupid.

right now its the Left, mostly the socialists and the marxists, the authoritarian left, (the Libertarian Left has hardly ever existed anyways)

they RUN this shit, Hollywood, comics, the media, there can be a Conservative president, that doesn't mean squat, the Left runs America.

Agreed.

The only all new style, character ousting thing I've enjoyed (mostly) has been Cho as hulk.
He was a good fit for an extended run as the big green guy.

>Marvel knows that their true fans hate the new "heros", why keep them? Are they more concerned about promoting an agenda then keeping fans or making a profit?

During Superior Spider-Man Marvel discovered that their fan base will rabidly hate a book but buy it religiously.

comicsalliance.com/angry-comic-book-fans-sales/

> there will be no white people in star wars ever again
Oh come on.
There's always gonna be the empire.
I mean that's like sayin "no more English Imperial officers"

>why keep them?
Marvel's job: maintain and increase sales
Method: constant reboots because consumers think new = good
Your job: grow out of capeshit and let the kids enjoy capeshit like you did.

Really fans are the number one reason we have to deal with shitty characters and shitty stories, it's definitely easier and more profitable from Marvel's end.

>I'm like totally ironman or something omg

>"there will be no white people in star wars ever again"
wat

>Lefties try to co-opt triggering to mean 'People have any sort of adverse reaction to shit we push'.

Twist the language, twist the consciousness.

Does miss marvel stone people now?

He was being facetious and Sup Forumsbabbies can't understand it

You know who was a good choice to be the hulk?

Bruce Banner, because he's the fucking hulk.

Instead of simply making Bruce Banner pull his eyes back and go "CHING CHONG ME NO DO YOUR HOMEWORK", how about they actually write a new, good Asian American character?

How the fuck about that?

And don't tell me "well Bruce Banner died, so" because we both know they're just going to bring him back due to cloning, or multiverse shit, or time travel bullshit, or just pretend like that never happened.

Sorry, do you need a safe space?

Do you have a problem with legacy characters or race swaps? I'm not sure which you're trying to describe

What's really funny is Marvel basically is just giving us 2 of all the heroes and Sup Forums is flipping shit.

is Bruce the only one who's actually dead? Dick Ryder is around, Carol's around, Peter Parker, Steve Rogers, Odinson, all around. Even Tony's around as an AI.

It's literally only leftists who have ever needed those.

That's why the recent coopting of language by leftists is so ridiculous.

oh wow, im really rolling on the floor pissing myself over that "joke" guy, funny, funny stuff
Making the empire to hitler-saluteish gesture that has never been seen in any fucking star wars movie/game/comic/lore up until the new movies came out was also a gutbuster, i couldnt breathe after it was shoved down my throat that they wanted the empire to look like nazis, quality humor right there

What like with redpill or nigga/nigger/faggot? Not that user, but I'm okay with those changing the way they did

>Miles is getting better.

yeah, im not surprised at all that you cant comprehend what i said

You're literally complaining about "co-opting" just like leftists do user

Do you complain about this junk to She-hulk too?

Sup Forums, dishin it out but can't hack it since forever

>Are they more concerned about promoting an agenda then keeping fans or making a profit?

yes

Just tell me one thing. Is moon knight any good?

nationalism is the ultimate in safe space anxiety, get over yourself, you just can't handle the bantz

>leftists are constantly trying to co-opt language
>"You're complaining that leftists are constantly trying to co-opt language!"

Okay?

That part about a retard writing an intelligent character is true though. it's not limited to moon girl but it's obnoxious.

And his amazing sidekick, Charlie Kelly - King of the Rats.

Can you expound upon a bit on what you meant I'm not trying to call you a Sup Forumstard or anything just curious

The empires nazi salute in the newer star wars movies was hacky as facky, you gotta admit that at least, if nothing else it was THE laziest way to make them out to seem evil in the history of movies

Record this

Actually I think more of "super girl", but slapping tits on a male character and calling it a new female character is quite possibly the laziest thing you can do.

>Miles is getting better.
How? They completely undid his Uncle Ben moment, the one thing he had going for him.

yes

and leftists constantly complain about people co-opting words, and phrases.

dude, look up the word "reactionary".

it means right wing and counterrevolutionary. you're the one that's co-opting

doesn't matter they don't sell

Thank fuck for that, the rest of marvel can burn for all I care

>nationalism is the ultimate in safe space anxiety, get over yourself, you just can't handle the bantz
Anyone who cares about their country would naturally debate about what is best for their country.

That's the exact opposite of someone who needs to listen to lullabies and play with crayons every time they hear an opinion they can't handle.

maybe if people stopped co-opting words and phrases, leftists wouldn't have much to say about it.

by the way, liberals are not leftists. look up the word liberal and you'll find that they are right of center laissez faire capitalists.

P.S.

the word "libertarian" originally meant left wing and anti-authoritarian because the word anarchist was banned in france or something. it makes more sense to say "libertarian socialist" than it does "right wing libertarian.

The difference being they're wrong, and except for the redpill meme, those are all words the left is trying to coopt. Way to prove yourself even more wrong.

Pretty much with any character. With time and junk.

Making a character black and female for no other reason than having him not be a white male and when it ads absolutely nothing to the appeal of the character isnt as much of treating everyone equal like the poster i was responding to was implying as much as just telling your audience that you fucking hate them, which in my book is a dick move, so i have a problem with race swaps buddy

lol history says otherwise.

this is a liberal economist

What does that have to do with the left's pathetic attempts to coopt language?

Yeah, tell that to Reddit.