I had someone tell me once on a dumb twitter rant that "Trans and queer people are making the most original and interesting webcomics out there". Of course this is a stupid statement but, it made me think about the queer community and how badly they react to people not liking their work while they themselves shit on anyone trying to make something that isn't to their super specific taste, labling them as problematic.
Could there be a very good trans/queer comic about critiquing and commenting on the stupidity that plauges these communities (mainly because of teenagers and losers) while still respecting and understanding the lifestyle and struggles of these people. I can draw and would like to maybe explore this in a comic but i'd like to read some trans comics, any suggestions or examples?
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Transsexuals are incapable of producing good comics because they are mentally imbalanced. There isn't a point to making a comic about a group of people that encompasses less than 1% of the population anyway. It's a story that doesn't need to be told.
Not in trans stuff specifically, but I do feel like there is some pushback against the idea of personal taste being a ~problematic~ indicator. Might just be that the young tumblr generation is growing up and realizing they don't need to ostracize people based on entertainment unless someone is being actually harmful to others?
But I think either way it would probably need to come from within the community. Like Boondocks works because it's a black guy speaking from his experiences rather than someone from the outside trying to get into shit they don't understand.
No
A lot of mentally imbalanced people make good work, this post doesn't make sense. We like Grant Morrison and he's insane.
And what percentage of the population can fly and shoot lasers out of their eyes? You are retarded. Stories aren't told because they can be universally appreciated. That would be so boring. I read stories about people who aren't me because I'm boring ! A trans super hero or even cool villain would be fine to me.
There's fun crazy and then there's self-mutilation crazy.
Im trans and working on a webcomic. But its horror. And has nothing to do with lgbt stuff. Not even really a little. Ive never wanted that part of me to be DEFINING or anything so I just do other things. Theres enough others out there who want to do biographical comics or what-not, they can have at it. Id rather draw monsters and shit
Good fucking luck getting normies to relate to someone who'd solve a software problem by mangling the hardware.
What kind of comics do you like?
If it doesn't get too edgy tonally it can be fine.
Makes sense.
My understanding is that not all of them do hormones and/or surgery. But I'm not a doctor and I've never researched the full details of care.
Like Van Gogh?
Van Gogh cut off his own ear
Sounds like a personal problem. I don't care one way or another. All movie stars get work done, do why is it evil when common folk want it done? I just can't bring myself to care
plenty of queer that are enjoyable, dunno any trans
I'd like to read some yuri comics too but haven't seen any good ones from the west desu
People call Bombshells a yuri comic but I don't know if it follows the same kind of themes.
The ONLY one to come to mind. The ONLY one is Meg Mogg & Owl
You're so fucking mad
Hanselmann isn't trans you dumbass.
Sarah Horrocks, Inio Asano and Sophie Campbell are the only trans artists I can think of but they're all pretty good though.
goid point, we just don't know how many creators out there are part of the BBQ, many go by a pen name too
also
>horror
>rather draw monsters
excellent taste senpai
Whatever he is, it sure isn't normal.
And there are trans characters in the stories
Inio Asano is not trans. Sophie Campbell is good for art. Agreed about Sarah Horrocks.
Wandering Son is probably your #1 trans manga in terms of Western exposure.
if it has yuri romance in it anywhere, then I guess it'd count.
>Wandering Son
still an eastern one, not a western comic
user said "dunno any trans", I'm not saying it's Western. I might have misunderstood the post.
I'm trying to think of other trans artists I know of. There's like Annie Mok, Erin Nations.
Grant Morrison just does drugs for a temporary boost to his cognitive thinking. It all makes sense to him at the time and the stories are more memorable for it.
A trans super hero or even cool villain would be fine to me.
Both trans hero or villain would be too preoccupied with soap boxing about social politics to care about telling a good story. I'm not sure what you think a trans superhero could offer to a story that a traditional superhero could not. More whining about people being mean on twitter perhaps? Would their supervillain be bathrooms?
Van Gogh tries to achieve true beauty through his works. These comics only try to replicate their creator. Very few people can pull off vanity and egotism in art successfully.
You are so fucking butthurt holy shit
>All movie stars get work done
But they still believe themselves to be the same gender, the same sex, they were born with. That's the difference.
Thanks for your professional opinion, doctor.
Whatever you say, pham. Nice job disproving my point, btw. Oh wait.
There should be a comic about a tranny continuing to go to therapy after the surgery and slowly realizes it just isn't the same thing as being a woman and kills itself. There needs to be awareness of this non treatments outcome.
Yeah if you're some faggot Christian or asshole that thinks that matters for whatever reason. It's not my body so I don't care.
Here's an idea:
>Sports comics/manga
>Team based sport (pick whatever you want, doesn't matter)
>Female league of course
>Yuri undertones (or overtones)
>Reach nationals
>Opposing team has several MTF trans
>NOT the boipussy-traps type of trans, more like Bruce Jenner kind of trans
>have them lose
I mean the woman user mentions here Sarah Horrocks, is as basically as good an artistic critical voice as I've found in modern comics. I think she would even agree with your post.
It doesn't have to add anything to be a different perspective that might be interesting to read. But I'd agree that villain and hero in the same book becomes difficult. Not because of politics (you can easily avoid PSA nonsense in a story) but because you're probably not giving enough screentime to both to understand the full character so one would likely end up feeling stereotypical.
Isn't there a bitchy trans character on roller skates who is unlikable?
This is the same argument as saying "no one is allowed to be an art critic unless they are professional artists themselves."
Just think about that.
Trans people are people. Do you think a character that isn't a straight white male would just whine about whatever it is they are instead of being a complex person or character??? That's the most boring way to look at shit
You haven't given a difference.
>Yeah
Yeah what? What are you agreeing with?
English not your first language ?
Yeah. Drawn by Willis.
I'm sure you've read lots of these nebulous trans comics to make such a sweeping statement.
No it's not, it's saying someone isn't qualified to be a doctor unless they actually are a doctor. Or to keep with your example, to say someone shouldn't really be an art critic if their only experience with art is looking at pictures of paintings on the internet.
You can go ahead and make whatever stupid statements you want, but when you have two equally unqualified people saying "trans people are mentally ill" and "trans people are not mentally ill", there's no reason whatsoever to take either ones' opinion seriously.
Trans people are people with identity issues. And those identity issues will always come before any other story elements when discussing the topic in any medium. They will always be preoccupied with their victim complex before anything else.
Whatever you say.
>Trans people are people with identity issues. And those identity issues will always come before any other story elements when discussing the topic in any medium.
How do you know?
If trans people are not mentally ill, explain why the suicide rate is so high among their community. Are you going to blame the mean old internet for that?
Nice generalizations. Any other interesting opinions you'd like to post before mom brings your afternoon tendie plate?
A complex character is not what a lot of transexuals want though. Any flaw the writer gives them would be considered 'problematic' because apparently 'bad depictions of LGBT people' is as violent as sentencing them to death.
So the trans user who said they want to draw monsters and don't care about that shit was lying?
People are not as simple as you think.
This I can agree with. Many people in the LGBT community, specifically tumblypoo, are crying babies who think everything is wrong and bad if it isn't saintly. I'm sick of it as a queer person myself. Why can't we be allowed flaws or to be assholes ?
It might not be the accepted tumblr opinion, but I've absolutely seen people - bi, gay, trans, even just plain ordinary straight women - expressing a desire to have bad characters of their representation rather than fully politically correct 2nice4conflict thing you can end up with.
This is not a concern limited to LGBT. It also happens with female characters and racial minorities.
But the people who criticize are generally not "a lot" of any audience and others will appreciate it if you write characters with depth.
Because it has happened every time a trans person appears in a story. It has never been handled well.
The only trans character I can think of in the comic is Booger, and they're more of a side character than anything.
Though there was one really good story involving her and Megg.
>criticizes a generalization
>makes a generalization
Low effort.
Maybe you should read good books instead of bad ones and not assume the bad ones are wholly representative
Where are these good trans books then?
Every single one? Every single time a trans character has appeared in any story? Or just the ones you've read?
Name one trans character that has NOT declared their trans status as if it even matters to a story.
Isn't OP specifically looking for trans stories though?
Try reading some Morrison stuff, though he does simple cross-dressers more.
I can see why too. It validates them being people than an "other". It also shows that they'd love to see bad people who so happen to share their minority status get their just desserts rather than get lumped with them.
Grant Morrison is saner than any of us will ever be.
Yeah, there's a reason Jessica Cruz is becoming a fan favorite while America is skirting cancellation. Not necessarily about being relatable, but that "realness" is important in forging a connection with readers.
>"Trans and queer people are making the most original and interesting webcomics out there"
Anyone who says any group of people are doing the best or most creative of something lacks any form of vision themselves.
All groups of people are capable of making great contributions to everything.
I think less literally they probably mean the general "people who have different experiences can tell different stories and variety is generally good" but hyperbole is king so it comes out retarded.
>I had someone tell me once on a dumb twitter rant
Look, here's a tip for you.
Just walk away and forget this shit. It doesn't matter. Stop being so triggered over some dumb shit some rando spouted on social media.
I come back to this sometimes on why it's important, even in terms of how you relate to something personally, that it has a wider range than just whatever the pop culture talking points are:
>i'd like to read some trans comics, any suggestions or examples?
I like 'Trans Girls Next Door' (pic related). The only others I an think of are 'Assigned Male' (fucking awful preachy bullshit) and that one with the red haired girl, the title of which I can't remember (fluctuates between okay and preachy)
Trans and queer people ARE making the most original and interesting webcomics out there.
On the condition that you're trans and queer.
It's about target audience. If someone makes a comic about Warhammer 40K and you're a fan of it, you will already have a strong emotional connection to the subject matter. But if you're not, you're gonna look at it puzzled, and say 'meh'.
Trying to read e.g. trans comics without understanding what it's like to be trans (which can only be obtained by being trans, duh) is kinda like trying to read, I don't know - Final Crisis without even knowing who is Batman.
Comics like Assigned Male or Manic Nightmare Pixie Girl aren't made for people like you, they're made for trans people, and come with a pre-built tropes and emotional connection that a cis/het person is literally incapable of understanding.
I recommend going on Facebook and opening one of those "Farming Memes" or "Chemistry memes" or "Clam fishing memes" pages designed for a specific proffession you're not in. See at how many you will laugh at. My guess is - not many.
That's also the part that makes Sup Forums lash out and call them shit (like retard in does), it's your inner subconcious hatred of everything that isn't for you. Nobody likes to be excluded. People are laughing all around you but you don't get the joke - obviously, the joke is shit! The joke sucks! These people are stupid!
It's only human to behave like that.
Op here, lol
> "people who have different experiences can tell different stories and variety is generally good"
I didn't really get that vibe from the comment. The original comment was 'X is making THE MOST ORIGINAL and INTERESTING webcomics out there'. It had too many definitive absolutes to be read as 'people can and should be able to write from different perspectives than the mainstream because the key to innovation is perspectives' in my opinion.
>Comics like Assigned Male or Manic Nightmare Pixie Girl aren't made for people like you, they're made for trans people, and come with a pre-built tropes and emotional connection that a cis/het person is literally incapable of understanding.
what's the point of making a comic as preachy as assigned male if it's aimed at people who are already converted?
No, OP *said* that this was the original comment. He could've misunderstood that, he could've misrepresented the argument, or simply made that shit up. Be more skeptical next time, this is Sup Forums. People lie all the time, ESPECIALLY to represent groups they dislike in a bad light.
Well agree to disagree I guess. I don't see that you're wrong, but it's not how I take in those kinds of comments.
Op here, yea you make a great point and part of the conversation i had about this has this topic in mind. It just seems like things like this could be translated to an audience that isn't trans or queer. It all comes down to the level of empathy of the reader and i think i'm willing to adventure into the stories and experiences these people want to share.
Either way i've seen a couple of suggestions here and i'll give them a good, open minded read.
Enjoyment? Groups laughing at in-jokes are nothing new.
Honestly, I would put Assigned Male on par with Chick Tracts. Both are preaching to the choir, completely bat-shit insane, and leave the person reading it with a negative view of said organization.
So they can pat themselves on the back.
I mean, does it count if the comic is made by a trans person but isn't about trans people at all?
Ever seen a liberal comedian make jokes about how shitty Republicans are, or vice versa? Or a black comedian talking about how awful white people are? Or any single fucking Sup Forumstard joking about Jews?
And funnily enough, people clap. People laugh at these jokes, because their purpose isn't to convince people.
They come across as preachy to you because you think they're trying to convince you to do something. But actually they're trying to be clever or funny, ASSUMING that you already have that position and will agree with them.
For example, to you it might seem that - is a comic trying to convince you about how arbitrary gendering dogs is, and gendering dogs is bad or something.
But it's not. It's a silly gag comic about how author finds herself distracted/daydreaming by gender bullshit that she has to deal with every day, even when she's literally about to fuck that guy.
But without having a lived reality of being a trans person and getting distracted by gender bullshit, the joke might be lost on you, and you might think it's preachy.
You're a shitposter from Sup Forums.
A budget thing that would fund the wall was caught in negotiation. One of the things in it is paying for trans people in the military's transitions.
The cost is negligible, we spend more money on viagra for soldiers for example, but republifags keep their jobs by propagating culture war bullshit.
Republifags asked Trump to tweet something to rally the base so they could easily win the debate and push through the wall.
He went way overboard and banned trans people from the military.
This had the opposite effect - instead of rallying his base, it's blown up into a huge thing.
You don't want to give up the "Trump is more LGBT friendly than the democrats" line, but you also can't contradict your previous god emperor.
So the new party line is that trans people are damaged and broken and can't do anything right.
You don't necessarily understand why you're posting this on every board, but you know you have to.
This is reinforcing the Sup Forums dogma in your mind. It's not healthy. Get help.
>your precious god-emperor
Sorry, typo.
Or how about the simple fact that the joke itself isn't funny.
Op here.
Do you mean, Good Bye to Halos? Because the creator is the person who made the statement i mentioned, i went ahead and read her comic but it seemed to be a generic hero story with the only interesting use of trans characters being that they can't be pursued after some time because of the sex change. Apart from that it just has queer and trans characters for the sake of fanservice.
Nice reddit spacing.
yes, thanks for the suggestion. It's the point of view that counts the most
I think it's funny in a "the stupid things that distract us" way. Just a little overwritten.
I tried to make it as simple as possible.
Op, here. I was paraphrasing a little but here's the statement
I think pretty much holds up your point too, putting aside that OP is an absolute faggot for bringing their social media butthurt to Sup Forums - the most interesting take *to them* is probably from those writers.
So yeah, it's a joke about how author gets no respite from gender even when she's trying to get her shit pushed in - but it might not SEEM like that to a bystander.
That's btw why trans comics will seem more 'interesting' and 'original' to trans audience - because they talk about topics that other comics don't (because they're not made by trans people). In that light, of COURSE trans and queer comics will seem more original to us- because 'original' just means unique and doing what others won't.
Consider - remember Bechdel test? Many straight people thought strip it originates from was this was some deep commentary about sexism in movie industry, and used Bechdel test as a real metric of movie quality.
But what Allison Bechdel likely meant was a simple joke about how hard it's to relate to movie industry as a lesbian, where it's hard to find a movie where two women talk about something other than men - let alone finding a lesbian story. How a lesbian is supposed to relate to female characters who only care about men? Rotfl, roll curtains!
That was the joke, but it might SEEM preachy to a bystander who's not 'in' on the joke.
As for why trans and queer comics seem preachy and political - well, I'm a trans lesbian and can tell you - our life, existence is a political matter. Some politicians wants us to not exist, some wants to 'support' us for brownie points with liberals, some believe we are the devil - queer experience will involve politics because politics decide out lives, be it medical transition laws, gay marriage or recent bullshit like the Trump military thing. So if we make jokes about our lives, they will seem political to an outsider, but to us they're just. Jokes.
>tfw you always wanted to go into animation since you were a kid
>now since you're trans and in the industry if anyone were to find out people would either automatically criticize every thing you make as trying to corrupt the youth even if it isn't remotely related to LGBT stuff or applaud your work as the best thing ever when it might not be because libtards think trans people can do no wrong
>trans and queer people are making the most original and interesting webcomics out ther
I saw a thread of trans people complaining that most trans made comics were just bland cute 'I have an identity' comics that are afraid to to anything but share positivity
Guess what, I was right in Op DID misunderstood.
See, that's... VERY different from what you said in the OP actually.
First, it's WOMEN and queer people. Women are 50% of the population, and do write a lot.
Second, it's not saying that women and queer people write better - they say that SOME OF THE BEST WORK in the genre was LIKELY done by women and queer people. That's obviously correct, women are half of all people, and queer people are ten percent on top of that - with about ~55% of general population "women and queer people" are very likely to have written some great stuff.
In OP you presented this tweet as a SUBJECTIVE opinion. But this is actually OBJECTIVE opinion, and, if you believe that women and queer people are as good writers as men and straight people - objectively true.