Get bored with drawing lessons so start drawing fun stuff

>get bored with drawing lessons so start drawing fun stuff
>realize I need the drawing lessons to draw what i see in my head

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the only solution is to draw fun stuff while doing lessons

>attempt drawing lessons
>everything looks like shit
>try drawing for fun
>everything looks like shit

>drawings suck so decide to do lessons
>well now i can draw basic shapes sort of but i still suck

>Try and follow lessons to learn how to draw
>Get bored and stop
>Years later
>Realise if I kept practicing I'd be able to draw pretty good by now

...

show us a drawing

>Draw fun stuff
>Is shit
>Don't give a fuck
>Keep drawing shitty fun stuff

Try taking alot of time to perfect your art and with enough effort the result should be decent

>Draw for drawthreads
>Nobody could give half a fuck when you do their requests
>Did one of these compare charts
>3 years
>No change
And yet I persist

Think of the paper as a mirror. On the other side, instead of seeing 2d or 3d, see life. And draw from real life.

Also, I follow along speed paint artist to practise. This is how you better.

>Sup Forums thinks this is actually going backwards on the skill chart.

Git gud fgt

...

here's what you do. draw what you want, but try your hardest to get it to look right. work at it until you're satisfied with it and take as much time as you need.

then let some time pass and take a look at it with fresh eyes. analyze what's off about it and, if possible, observe how the same subject is handled by a more experienced artist. study that subject in real life and draw the shit out of it from as many angles as you can until you understand its structure. apply this knowledge to a future drawing, and repeat

>attempt drawing lessons
>get bored of having to draw squares, circles and lines
>attempt to draw for fun
>get bored because I suck

I gave up on that and try making vectors from time to time now, but even then my autism starts kicking and I spend whole days trying to get a single curve just right.

I'mma quote something I read a while back that I think might help you, user. It was written about the process of writing, but it honestly applies to creating any form of art:

>The end result will never match the expectation.

>You will never get it just right.

>The idea is God: perfect, divine, incapable of repudiation, utterly untouchable.

>The result is Man: fumbling, foolish, a jester’s mockery, a bundle of mistakes in tacky pants.

>Nobody is good enough to tell the stories and ideas inside them. I mean that sincerely. The ideas in my head are shining beams of light, perfect and uninterrupted. And when they finally exist on paper, they end up fractured and imperfect — beams of light through grungy windows and shattered prisms, shot through with motes of dust, filtered up, watered down.

>But sometimes that’s enough. Sometimes, a beam of light is still a beam of light no matter how diffuse it is, no matter how dirty the light, no matter how filthy the floor is that it illuminates. And when it’s not enough, you keep on trying until it is. Because eventually, it becomes that. The only reason it doesn’t become that isn’t a lack of skill or talent, but giving up before that lack of skill or talent shows up on the page. The only true failure is giving up and giving in.

Oh, and source:

terribleminds.com/ramble/2015/03/16/writing-is-a-profane-irrational-imperfect-act/

I really like this. Where's it from?

>>But sometimes that’s enough.
Don't bring that up, user. My parents raised me telling me that I didn't have to be perfect and successful, that just being able to fend for myself is enough.

I am the result of that bullshit ideology. Godammit, I hate positive reinforcement. I hate hearing compliments. I hate people not hating me and beating me up on sight.

>Godammit, I hate positive reinforcement. I hate hearing compliments. I hate people not hating me and beating me up on sight
Hello, me. Nice to meet you.

literally fake

Did I black out and post on here??

This is literally me. Can any armchair psychologist explain why I feel this way

That must suck, user... but it ain't fun being a perfectionist, either.

Demand more from yourself, but don't be complacent with your criticism. Don't bash yourself just to feel bad, find criticism that will actually help you improve.

You're not some emo that cuts themselves just to feel alive, are you?

That's how I do it too.

It's nice.

Damn, you too, OP?

>You're too much of a perfectionist, user
>Just trying to be decent
Stop filling my head with loser talk
We probably just feel inadequate and when people don't confirm our inadequacies to us we feel either deceived or we reject positive reinforcement because we use our negative self image as a defense mechanism against disappointment, disillusionment, or rejection so if we were to accept other's love we'd have to accept self love which would leave us vulnerable. And the worst part is it doesn't work. You still feel the same hurt and rejection but at this point it's just too familiar to leave. Maybe you're afraid your fears will be confirmed and there's a worse hurt or even sadder, you'd rather feel you're right in your cynicism and hatred than realize you've lived all these years in pain for no real reason.

>I hate people not hating me and beating me up on sight.
Sounds like you got brain problems son.

I got the positive reinforcement too but I'm perfectly content with my situation.

>Phone Notes full of stupid pun names for your stupid capeshit universe
Grenade-deer and Nippon Twister will be real some day dammit.

I too hate myself immensely and wish people would too, it feels weird whenever I interact with someone and my most persistent thought is "honestly if you beat the shit out of me right now I would understand"

People often fear success more than they fear failure. If you fail, you can slink back into the shadows and fade away. If you succeed, you are thrust into a spotlight and given recognition, attention, and -- perhaps worst of all -- a sense of responsibility to follow up on that success.

Some people can handle success. Some people cannot. The latter type of person will often resort to self-deprication and procrastination and setting themselves up for failure so they can "prove" how right they are about themselves and avoid ever having to succeed ever again.

I don't think lessons are all that necessary. Sure, it helps to have someone gauge your skill and guide you towards the right path, but lessons can only take you so far if you don't have the actual ambition and drive to really further your craft into something you alone can work with.

Going self taught is usually a better measure of drive and developing ability. Lessons will satisfy you to a point, but only you can really improve by yourself.

It's hard for me to understand this mindset.


I was raised by parents that tried really hard, and then one of them gave up on me after years of dissatisfaction. I disappointed people when I accidentally spilled some oil when we were maintaining a car.

It goes both ways I guess. I hope you anons can get past it.

>It's hard for me to understand this mindset.

For people with this mindset, success -- and everything that comes with it -- is too great a burden for them to bear. Failure lets them escape that burden.

Yeah looking back I think there was a point I was obnoxiously and unfoundedly confident in my talents then somewhere along the line I lost all that.
Maybe it was just becoming a microscopic fish in an ocean where before I was one of the few people who seriously cared about my art despite being bad at it and I had supportive parents and some kids seemingly supported me.

Yeah I don't understand that. I just can't stand to try because I've done my best and it didn't really seem to change anything.

But I'm doing fine now, I've pushed past my issues. Hope you folks can do the same and push past whatever chinks you have in your armor. Don't fall victim to Learned Helplessness.

>Reads
>Herky-jerky

...where have I seen this language before-no.

>No, don't. Don't tell me

>Scrolls up

>Chuck Wendig

Goddammit. Compelling as this article is in articulating the creative process, did it have to be by HIM? Come on.

>Yeah I don't understand that.

Think about an artist who manages to make a successful work of art -- a musician who makes a stellar album, a director who helms an Oscar-winning film, you get the idea. That artist will be pressured to follow up on that success, whether the pressure comes from internal or external voices. It might feel like a responsibility, a burden, to that artist.

Some people cannot get past that and go right on with their work. They feel too pressured to follow up on something they might see as a fluke or a one-shot success, something they cannot replicate. And some just do not enjoy the spotlight that comes with success, as it creates a sense of responsibility toward the people who enjoyed that successful work -- a responsibility to give them something else, to continue working for them.

Hell, I don't fully understand the mindset even though I am somewhat afflicted by it. (I don't do nearly as much writing and drawing as I would like to do because I fear both failure and success.)

>draw thing I like
>it's shit
>find out why it's shit
>compare my drawing to other people's drawing or references
>fix my drawing from what I've learned
it takes a lot of time but it's an effective approach for me

Listen I can understand the whole writing, I just never have felt that way and I probably will never will.

We're both different in our struggles, I can't relate, but I hope you'll push through regardless.

Show me your art, user

>(I don't do nearly as much writing and drawing as I would like to do because I fear both failure and success.)

I'd say the same, but my thoughts on it have been gradually evolving as I come to know my true self. Fearing failure, success, or even both, ultimately means that you fear yourself, doesn't it? One invariably and inevitably leads to the other given their cyclical nature. Failing to contribute to that cycle is stagnation of both it and one's self. What really defines your sense of self is what you do when either falls into your lap. Succumbing to the pressure of failure or the pander of success are easy, but harder and more rewarding is to follow your own track, given it is what led you down this road in the first place.

Have more heart, guys. Nothing good ever came as easy as we'd like.

>draw something
>asking for critiques because you know you need them to improve
>even though you asked for them, the critiques still make you spiral in a self hating cycle
>end up not drawing for weeks because you would rather actually die than confirm the thoughts that you suck and will never amount to anything, and actually if you do try to draw anything you end up just crying because of how miserable you are
>when you finally get back into drawing your friends already improved and became better than you while you lost time wallowing in self pity
every time

JUST. FUCKING. DRAW.

Protip: drawing is garbage and actually trying to get good at it isn't fun in the slightest. It's fine if you just view it as a really casual hobby and don't care a whole lot about improving, but if you want to actually become skilled, then welcome to Hell. I don't recommend it at all. If there's anything else at all in life that you want to do, do that instead.

>Fearing failure, success, or even both, ultimately means that you fear yourself, doesn't it? One invariably and inevitably leads to the other given their cyclical nature. Failing to contribute to that cycle is stagnation of both it and one's self. What really defines your sense of self is what you do when either falls into your lap. Succumbing to the pressure of failure or the pander of success are easy, but harder and more rewarding is to follow your own track, given it is what led you down this road in the first place.

This...actually improved my mood. Thank you, user.

>No artist friends or any friends period really
>When posting online for critique usually met with crickets
To be an artist and an autist.

>try and draw for Sup Forums
>get banned

I'd prefer having no friends than having an artist friend who is better than me at literally every single thing he does(including stuff that isn't art), I swear I love him but he makes me want to kill myself unironically

i can't even draw half as well as the left

i'm trying to achieve this mindset but i'm too much of a perfectionist

>tfw I draw solely as a hobby so I don't have to worry about improving

You drew porn?

To know my words can indeed reach those those who might need hear is a greater joy than you could possibly know. It lets me know that I too have learned.

Take that feeling and act. In the pursuit of your honest, purest passions, always feel, rather than think. Thinking only charts the path. Feeling helps you walk it.

not 100%

>can't make what's in my head on paper
>make something different that inspires new stuff

lol

What are we talking about here? exposed nips?

Chris?

you sounds like a broken horse

Well of course it is!
They're not even wearing the same clothes!
This person has no idea how to stay on model, F-.

As an artist, I'm going to be real with you guys: you're not looking at this the right way.

Art isn't just a physical labor of the hands, it's more a way of thinking. You could literally draw a million pictures and not get much better if your thinking doesn't change. Sure, repetition helps some people start to get those "eureka!" moments, but it's up to you to find out what will make those right clicks in your own head. This is why art teachers have their students work on basic shapes first, they're trying to train your brain to think of drawings as 3 dimensional. That can work, but it's boring as hell. You could also get the same effect by watching a fuckton of cartoons (preferably well animated) and having a damn good memory, or just a good imagination in general. That's why some kids can draw pretty ok right from the start, even without the years of practice many adults need who just decided to hop into it. It's dismissed as "natural talent", but the real thing happening here is the kids already tapped into what you need to be doing.

You may think you can't draw what's in your head, but the truth is you are, it's just the image in your head isn't as good as you think it is. Get some people who aren't artists to draw an eye and tell them to do the best they can. Chances are all the pictures will look the same: a circle with an iris and lines coming out of the top to signify lashes, basically the logo you might see on the door of an eye doctor. If you ask them why their eye looks like that, they'd probably say something like "I'm no artist". Even though everyone should know what a real eye looks like, right? We see them in a mirror every time we look, and every time we look at someone else. Well, they didn't draw that, or even try to, they drew what their mind's "idea" of an eye is, and realizing that misunderstanding is part of the epiphany. We do this on many levels, not just the obvious, and THAT is what you have to fix!

>draw something
>asking for critiques because you know you need them to improve
>Everyone just says your work is nice.
>Try to beg and plead for someone to tell you how bad your work is.
>Nobody listens.

Sup Forums has low standards and is therefore not a good place to get critiques

You could've just said "symbol drawing"

Just keep going. Yeah, your art looks like shit, that's the point. You're supposed to look back on what you did wrong and work from there.

i utilized this but to no avail
it was in the Star threads, one janitor REALLY hates Baby

bump

As opposed to the totally healthy attitude of the user who wants people to loathe them on sight for no reason?

I notice a lot of artists develop their rendering skills at a far faster rate than their construction skills.

the drawing skills go backwards but hey, Photoshop skills largely improved.

Keep persisting user, but try doing different things so you challenge yourself to improve

>go to animation school and make friends with other artists
>same artists now are either uploading amazing projects or mentioning how their work at a studio is now on tv
>don't have the confidence anymore to draw a single character
>Every piece of news they post feels like a punch to the gut

Honest thoughts anons, I too do this everyday, some of those ideas are left in the air cause I'm lazy to or the thought just disappears in the air, but sometimes I write down those ideas to keep them exactly as I saw them and don't mutate over time as they do when I keep them only in my head, and I like to think that it's going to take a lot of time, but when I decide to sit down and write all this shit is going to click like a puzzle and all my notes and procrastination time lost in my thoughts playing with those ideas is going to be validated

I want to think that I'm building a nice story over a lot of time and not just being delusional, but fuck, I fear that I'm just delusional

guys I bought the Wacom ONE tablet for my Vista pc but after I installed it, the pc doesn't seem to recognize the driver. what did I do wrong?
I'm more of a rookie by the way
>inb4 get a different computer or different windows
at the moment I unfortunately can't

Wacom drivers are touchy.

Try restarting?

Planning is important, but actually doing the work is more so.

You look like you've got good drawing skills - so if you have this project that you've been wanting to do then start.

Start today.

Stop reading this fucking thread and start doing your project.

Trust me, it's the only way to actually get anything done. The internet is fucking poison for productivity.

>When someone who has 0 knowledge on drawing stumbles upon your sketches and starts telling you that they're fine and you shouldn't be so hard on yourself

weird, for me its the exact opposite, i can draw bodies and 3d shapes preety well but semi-realistic coloring and shading is torture for me

>when all of your friends and family tell you your entire life that you are great at drawing
>when you actually improve and looks back and see that your drawings used to be shit and feel lied and cheated by everyone
>when you confront them about this and they still believe your old drawings are great
its incredible how when you are not into something at all then the most basic shit can impress them

something i dont get is that a lot of people will tell you "you shouldnt compare yourself to others because then you are going to be frustrated and quit" but it was precisely because i was comparing my self to tohers that i realized my art was not good enough and tried even harder to improve.
i guess i was lucky because i manage that very fine balance of liking my own art enough to keep doing it but disliking it enough to want to be better at it

Baby is that cat right? Post it

>develop ability to draw anything I want
>think of nothing
>haven't drawn anything in years

>did one of these compare charts
>5 years
>change
>yet so little that i would need 20 years and more to even come close to what i want

Jesus, this is so overwritten, even if the idea is right.

Basically:

>Be merciless with yourself and be convinced this will be the greatest thing you've ever done. You'll fall short, but your art will be better for it. Just don't kill yourself.

fin

>Sup Forums thinks
>implying

I've got a fun situation where I've made massive improvements in a lot of areas but because I spent most of my time focused on sketching instead of painting, my work looks a lot less presentable right now and from the outside you might even think I got worse.

If this doesn't work try deleting Wacom and reinstalling it.

THIS SO MUCH
I want criticism
i once in my life went to a drawing class
the teacher just stood behind me saying: "mhh good keep on very nice".
Looking back at these drawings they are massive shit! if i would've draw this way today i had to teach me so much. But no not a single "Get this line cleaner" or "Thing about 3d space" NOTHING
I really really hate positive reinforcement because you don't learn shit

>worse at drawing than a fucking 8 year old

fucking kill me

hi me

Hi Sup Forums
i want to become an animator but i can't draw
can i still be CalArts?

yes

fucking this. all these years spent getting good enough to draw what i wanted to see. jerked off to my heart's content and now i feel empty. is this why people start taking commissions?

If you're like me, then you're feeling empty because you're not doing anything exciting or ambitious with the skills you have.

Did you draw that?

Question for some one getting into digital and using paint tool sai.

Is there a button I can push some where on sai that locks the width of my lines so I can stop worrying about putting too little or too much pressure to get the lines right?

at the bottom of the brush settings, uncheck the "size" box after press: If you don't see it, expand "advanced settings"

maybe try driver booster, it looks for all types of drivers and lets you know they are out of date, just do a custom install if you don't want the addons they try sneaking in.

Take what I say with a grain of salt, I'm still a beginner and I don't intend to be a professional animator or artist, so.my ambitions might be less than yours.
I used to do just animation, trying to make finished pieces and posted my wip on /ic/ for help. I soon realized that every time I post on /ic/ for help, saying I do one thing, I just get told conflicting information, use this not that, use that not this.
See the trick is that people will tell you to do this or that not because they're trying to be malicious, but because that's what really worked for them. There's no real way to learn how to draw, it just depends on what works best for you. The lessons just give you a basic ground work for you to build upon, so you don't have to reinvent the wheel. It's also good to keep in mind there is no end goal, just a forever expanding accumulation of information. There's no making it, just continuous learning.