>Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion hasn't helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the rebels' hidden fortre-
Holy shit, this guy had balls. Would anybody else dare to insult Vader and mock the Force right to his face?
Also, would Vader have killed him right then if Tarkin hadn't stopped him?
Other urls found in this thread:
I thought is was "sorcerous" ways.
>Your sad devotion to that ancient religion
I just realized he's the Star Wars equivalent of a fedora tipper.
>that ancient religion
>its only been twenty years since the rise of the empire and the jedi purge
did everyone develop memory loss ???
He didn't have "balls". When the original Star Wars was filmed Vader wasn't literally some sort of chosen one, his birth influenced by Plaguies and master of the dark side etc. He was just an enforcer and brute really. It was totally in line for an actual officer to talk down to him for failing, and then the point of the scene is to depict how he's strong enough to intimidate his bureaucratic but not physical superiors.
All of the reverence surrounding Vader is retroactive.
darth vader hadn't become a victim of his own popularity yet
1) The religion is ancient because it's really old.
2) Vader isn't a Jedi. He's a Sith.
...
The original trilogy was so fucking good. :'(
lmao
but seriously, this guy must have seen a hadouken before. he was alive during the clone wars
...
Vader is clearly at the top of the empire's hierarchy though.
And then General Holdo's ghost hyperspace rams Vader
Was there any female imperial officers in the OT?
apt analysis user
>the clone wars
You mean those clone wars that began with the Jedi nearly dying to a bunch of useless droids until the clones saved their asses? Those clone wars where the Jedi then died when the clones easily executed their asses for treason? Those clone wars? Yeah, I'm with him, fuck the Force, it's fucking useless. Hell, Vader's Force choke isn't even that impressive when he could just as easily choked the dude with his fucking hands. Goddamn.
He was beneath Tarkin. Tarkin ordered him around. He was Tarkin's pet dog. He was Tarkin's bitch.
Then why is he subservient to Tarkin?
The general public of the Empire HATED the Jedi for trying to kill Sheev after he won the Clone Wars. He's showing contempt for the Jedi not claiming they weren't real.
yeah but this was back when vader was just a scary bad guy in a suit and not space jesus turned badass murdering psychopath that kills like twenty soldiers in full giant clunky armor even though he can't lift his fucking arms above his head in the OT
fuck rogue one, fuck it more than the prequels and TLJ and everything else that shat on star wars. i'd rather watch the holiday special again than that boring ass garbage
in ANH it's clear Tarkin is, hence Leia saying hes holding Vader's leash.
Because he releases the other guy when Tarkin tells him to? I think you're reading too much into that. Like if you get into a fight with a friend and then a third friend is like "dude, stop" and you stop, that doesn't make you subservient to him.
Best Imperial soldier coming in
I found humor in vader's line's in the original movies...
>The Emperor's coming here?
>We shall double our efforts.
Vader: I hope so, Commander, for your sake. The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am.
Vader has been chokin niggas left and right and the emperor is suppose to be less forgiving?! lol
no, he's ordered by Tarkin in almost every scene and is called a dg of Tarkin's by leia
This.
The implication I took from Episode V is that in the intervening time between Yavin and Hoth there was a power shift in the Imperial regime which diminished the authority of the secular bureaucracy and hugely enhanced Vader's authority over the navy, officially or unofficially.
Presumably a consequence of the Senate being dissolved and also Tarkin being killed, removing the two main checks on Vader murdering people.
>he can't lift his fucking arms above his head in the OT
Maybe I'm crazy, but I think they actually don't let him do that in Rogue One either, even during his schlocky action sequence.
Man, what love of detail.
He wasn't at the time, he was just the Emperor's religious acolyte and personal servant. At the very beginning of the movie, the random nameless Imperial Navy officer argues back to Vader's face about the consequences of arresting Leia. It's obvious there was some degree of separation between the secular Imperial hierarchy and the Sith hierarchy at that point.
Vader did have a dry sense of humor in the OT. The punchline to his jokes were usually threat of death or torture.
>We would be honored for you to join us.
>Procedes to torture Han the very next scene.
>ancient religion
>was alive during the heyday of the Jedi and the republic
>knows all about the fantastical exploits of the Jedi Knights including Anakin fucking Skywalker
>shittalks a 7 foot tall asthmatic cyborg that can crush your throat with his mind
What a fucking madman.
>would Vader have killed
Yes. The answer is always yes.
Wrong. Lucas had a lot of these ideas floating around his crazy head, but only a few made it to the screen. Even the term Sith Lord has existed since the 70s
Everyone ITT needs to stop acting like this ANH exists in a vacuum. The other movies are canon too. All of these high ranking officers should be well aware of the force, the emperor, and the fall of the jedi in this scene. Yes, the script was written before vader was fleshed out, but in the in-universe continuity, the characters are aware of his history.
Which makes it even crazier when you think about it. Dude's like the 3rd in command and this faggot just shittalks him in front of all the other Moffs.
I know that it was retconned that Vader and Tarkin were old war buddies, but I wonder why he gave a fuck out Tarkin when ANH was directed. Him and Sheev must have been good friends.
It's still ancient, Catholicism or Judaism or Hinduism could accurately be called ancient.
>Pulls the blasters our of their hands.
>Force chokes one of them.
>Never goes faster than walking pace.
I don’t understand why people get upset with the hallway scene in RO. It has nearly every force trick we’ve seen him do before beside throwing shit and his lightsaber.
That's the whole point.
When you think about it it makes all too much sense that Vader would have a penchant for twisted dad humor.
Probably because it doesn't make much sense. It should have been like ESB where a platoon of Storm Troopers assaults the hangar bay after boarding Leia's ship, get killed by the heavily entrenched Rebels and then Vader comes in and slaughters fucking everybody single-handed.
The only time Vader led the charge was if he had something to prove or was going Jedi hunting. Maybe he was just bored. Anyway, it's a good scene, and a testament to Vader's brutality and overwhelming power.
To be fair Vader was acting like a big autismo in that scene
>all the generals are discussing strategy
>Vader interrupts with a completely irrelevant comment about MUH FORCE
The difference is that no one today would mock Hinduism by calling it ancient, because many people still practice it. You might mock someone who still worships Zeus by calling it an ancient religion.
He pushed himself so hard in that scene it explains why he was so slow in ep.4
The debate is just a question of context.
If you assess the situation just in the context of a new hope, then yeah, vader is mostly just a thug.
If you assess the events in the context of the series as a whole, then he was an an absolute madman
Vader is a big autismo. He's Anakin, remember? I wouldn't be surprised if he says "now this is podracing" while shooting Rebels in his custom TIE.
Except just 20-30 years ago there were Zeus-worshiping motherfuckers throwing lightning everywhere. You could boot up a holotape of one and even visit their recently-burned down temple.
This. Vader's importance in the later film was retroactively inflated due to his popularity and toy sales.
Imagine if in the year 1980 during military negotiations if somebody in the room said aloud “these weapons and wars are meaningless, Jesus will handle it.” Then it would probably illicit a more agressive response than say 25 years ago, in the 1950’s.
>If you assess the events in the context of the series as a whole, then he was an an absolute madman
And that is the significantly more fun interpretation.
>the random nameless Imperial Navy officer
His name is Daine Jir and he's a 501st officer who became one of Vader's top guys because Vader was impressed with his honesty and competency.
kek
>navy
*spacy
The point is that the Sith religion is ancient, not the people who practice it. They're well aware that the Jedi and Sith existed, the character was merely pointing out that the force didnt help Vader "conjure" the stolen data or find the rebel base.
Because when ANH was made Palpatine wasn't even a Sith and the Sith were vaguely just mercenaries with laser swords.
>but I wonder why he gave a fuck out Tarkin when ANH was directed.
Emperor > Grand Moff > Lord => Moff > Governor
It's important to remember that there were what, 1000 Jedi tops for the 1000s of planets in the Republic and the galaxy. Is it really that crazy for him to call Vader bullshit?
...
Wait, who was this guy? I am right to assume that no one in the empire was Vader's superior (besides the Emperor, obviously), aren't I?
If you had read the thread you would have seen multiple posts explaining how Vader's role in the story was retconed to be of more importance in the later films.
>Your sad devotion to that ancient religion hasn't helped you conjure up the traitor in the senate, or given you power enough to save your dying wife.
What the fuck was he thinking?
Which is nuts because he's threatening a guy who's known for killing Imperial personnel on a whim and can choke you with his fucking mind. Madman.
Vader was referred to as a Sith Lord in one of the deleted scenes. Darth is an acronym for Dark Lord of the Sith. Vader's full title/name is Dark Lord of the Sith Vader
Exactly. Maybe it was his first day or something
>or given you power enough to save your dying wife
holy kek I wish he said this
As far as he knows there are 2? Force users in the galaxy
Sith showed up in some early drafts too, but it doesn't matter, because the concept of what the Sith were wasn't defined at the time. The Sith weren't that important because the Empire wasn't ran by one yet. Hell, in one of the first drafts the Sith character defects from the Empire to help out the Jedi out of some sort of ideological camaraderie. It wasn't until ESB drafts that the Emperor became a Sith.
>Darth is an acronym for Dark Lord of the Sith. Vader's full title/name is Dark Lord of the Sith Vader
Is this true?
No.
>Where are you taking this...thing?
How did he not know what a wookie was?
George really fucked up in making the Jedi an official part of the Old Republic's political hierarchy and governing apparatus. You can be a "guardian of peace and justice" without being ancient space fantasy FBI agents, and in a space universe that's supposed to seem more pre-medieval Earth than futuristic, it's probably better that they not be.
The Jedi of the past should've been a more secretive, para-military kind of organization. They'd have temples in hidden locations, train all their students by apprenticeship while traveling the galaxy, and do most of their heroics from behind the scenes; not hiding themselves, but not submitting themselves to public scrutiny or accountability either. Republic leaders might have ways of asking for Jedi assistance but the average citizen may not know they exist at all.
This justifies the general ignorance of the Jedi's existence in ANH, while also retaining the flavor that Obi-Wan gave them of wandering knights. But perhaps the idea of wild people deciding good and evil, right and wrong on their own without any involvement with government had become too unbelievable by the time of the prequels.
It's all too late now though...the sequels are even making this worse by having characters in the movies be fanboys/girls of other characters in the movie.
>video game lore
can someone post the
>general veer
gif where vader turns around and the guy is right behind him pls
Well there was the whole "The jedi are overthrowing the Republic so lets make a galactic empire" thing that should be fresh in everyone's minds
It's the same as asking a racist if they know blacks are human.
He was being condescending on purpose.
This is still the most kino scene in the entire series imho. The sound effect as Vader starts choking him is A1.
Why would he know about every alien creature in the galaxy?
the cool factor of the jedi going around doing whatever they want is undercut by making them bureaucrats, too
instead of being badass ronin they're just creepy government enforcers
In the Star Wars canon, Wookies were frequently used as sex slaves. The chances of him never have fucked one is very slim.
It's still like this you retard. The Imperial's don't know any of that chosen one bullshit, they just think he's Tarkin's right hand man and they know he used to be a Jedi.
Aren't you thinking about twi'leks?
>even visit their recently-burned down temple.
The Emperor turned it into his capitol building. The Imperials erased records of the Jedi as well and had a massive information censorship bureau.
never really thought about it before, but the dude getting cut off before he finishes saying "hidden fortress" is a pretty funny way to drop a reference. I feel like star wars doesn't have a lot of meta-level comedy like that
I'm always thinking about Twi'leks.
You don't know the power of the Fedora
Darth Bane?
love of detail in a shitty movie that makes vader look petty and weak
A wild Lucas appears!!!
Good pounts. That also would have made Palpatine's position more believable. He somehow managed to convince everyone that the jedi, who were the guardians of peace for thousands of years in the old republic, had suddenly decided to take over the galaxy. If the Jedi weren't accountable to anybody it would seem a lot more reasonable that they might be plotting against the senate
Holy shit that BBC
kek this is great
>DARk lord of the siTH
>DAR TH
>Darth
>ancient religion
>main religion of the known universe like 20 years ago
This scene more than any other shows they didn't plan the prequels in advance. They talk about the Jedi like they were a thing 500 years ago, not one generation.
>General Veers, bring those manly hands to my chambers
>Darth Talon was almost canon again.
Because it is.
That's even crazier. It's your first day, so insult the 2 meter tall armored space wizard with a laser sword.
I don't think anyone understands Vader's actual position. He is basically the voice of the Emperor, but doesn't hold an official military rank. He's Sheev's number 2 man, but removed from regular chain of command. He understands that he can't straight up kill whoever he wants for no reason, so he listens to Tarkin out of respect, not out of obedience. He did it to make a point, and the point was made.
>BBC on a Twi'lek
What did he mean by this?
You think that guy was an absolute madman? Look at this one
No, it's not.
Actually where the fuck are the twileks in the ST