What the fuck were they thinking?

What the fuck were they thinking?

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is that some sorta two-prong light saber?

WAKEY WAKEY BEN

Very little.

Nothing, this Jake Skywalker arc shouldn't have happened, I'd rather NuWars be set well after the deaths of the original cast with their legacy being referenced in history or legend.

They wanted to subvert your expectations

WILL NO ONE STOP LUKE?

I was expecting the movie to be disappointing going in, I wish they had subverted that expectation.

what makes u think they were thinking?

for some reason this movie is still in theater near me

One of the few good scenes in the flick. If you can't understand it you're a certified brainlet.

That trying to destroy the eurocentric Heroes Journey was worth any price because white Christians must come to an end.

I’m so glad TLJ threads have lessened lately

>brainlets cant into unreliable narrator

>white Christians must come to an end.

>Villain is a white man wielding a crucifix
>He's the only nu character anyone likes
Bravo Marxists

THE FORCE AWAKENS, BENNY BOY!

Luke had more of a character arc than Rey in TLJ

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Totally the same situation as pre-empting to kill your young nephew while he's sleeping because of a feeling.

He still tries to kill Ben when he tells the objective version of the story

I think the issue is that even Luke's side of the story makes him out to be a completely changed person acting exactly the opposite of how the Luke we recognize would act.

I have never seen the original Star Wars movies but I unironically enjoyed both TFA and TLJ. They were entertaining, desu.

yeah but he learned from this very event. so still doesn't make sense

the worst part is that Luke STILL DOESNT try to bring Ben back later on like he did Vader

>that filename

Yeah that's what bothers me the most too. He simply doesn't give a fuck about the little shit

>Lets give the villain a tragic backstory that could have been easily resolved with a 2 minute conversation. What could be objectionable with that? Works all the time on daytime television.

Luke didnt turn vader, Vader saw his son being killed by palpatine and thats what make him turn back

It makes no sense in anyway. They butchered the character. Butchered. I think the whole cinema suspected as much the moment he tossed his father's lightsaber over the cliff and the only response was some scattered soft, somewhat nervous laughter. It just got worse from there. The people involved had no business writing for these characters in that universe because they clearly didn't understand either.

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>Book I is centered on the virtue of Holiness as embodied in the Redcross Knight. He and his lady Una travel together as he fights the dragon Errour, then separate as the wizard Archimago tricks the Redcross Knight in a dream to think that Una is unchaste. After he leaves, the Redcross Knight meets Duessa, who feigns distress in order to entrap him. Duessa leads the Redcross Knight to captivity by the giant Orgoglio. Meanwhile, Una overcomes peril, meets Arthur, and finally finds the Redcross Knight and rescues him from his capture, from Duessa, and from Despair. Una and Arthur help the Redcross Knight recover in the House of Holiness, with the House's ruler Caelia and her three daughters joining them; there the Redcross Knight sees a vision of his future. He then returns Una to her parents' castle and rescues them from a dragon, and the two are betrothed after resisting Archimago one last time.

>Book II is centred on the virtue of Temperance as embodied in Sir Guyon, who is tempted by the fleeing Archimago into nearly attacking the Redcross Knight. Guyon discovers a woman killing herself out of grief for having her lover tempted and bewitched by the witch Acrasia and killed. Guyon swears a vow to avenge them and protect their child. Guyon on his quest starts and stops fighting several evil, rash, or tricked knights and meets Arthur. Finally, they come to Acrasia's Island and the Bower of Bliss, where Guyon resists temptations to violence, idleness, and lust. Guyon captures Acrasia in a net, destroys the Bower, and rescues those imprisoned there.

every murder ever has been because of a feeling.

>I have never seen the original Star Wars movies
????

The thing that gets me even more than Luke pulling the lightsaber was how he flat out fucking lied about it. If the 3rd version was the true one, Kylo was essentially telling the truth from his perspective. This just raises further questions about who knew what actually happened or did Luke give the whole "I was merely confronting him and he flipped his shit" story to everyone.
Did Han fucking die thinking that shit?

>Everyone expect him to be the hero that kick ass so we're making him a jaded asshole that will not fight for the entirety of the movie
>Ok what about Rey
>She's super duper strong and her power is now over 9000 because she dont need no master

Did you guys stop watching the movie after this scene? It's not even the worst thing luke did in the movie.

What a stupid argument. The issue is this feeling makes no fucking sense in regards to the character feeling it and his reaction to that feeling is completely and utterly out of character.

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yeah but Luke didn't give up on him is the point

he felt the death of millions, and he was in a trance, it was more out of character for him to not finish the job.

the fairy queen is awesome. But why are we talking about it tho

You'll notice not once does Luke refer to Kylo as his nephew or as family, just as his student. Given what happened Jake probably never acknowledged him as family even before he turned.

I just want to post this to make people upset over this amazing unrepeatable aesthetic.

You know the heroes journey is from pagan Greek myths right?

>he felt the death of millions
I wonder if he felt that betting on Vader turning away from the Dark Side.
>and he was in a trance
Wut?
> it was more out of character for him to not finish the job.
Are you the guy that said he never saw the original Star Wars earlier? That's the only way that opinion makes sense.

I just never got around to it. I mean, I know the basics.

>guy fucks his sister
>guys dad is a robot
>some gay guy in a vest is a furry for his co-pilot
I know what Star Wars is but I've only seen a few parts of the old ones and the prequels.

What the fuck where they thinking?

Obi-Wan and Yoda didn't care if Vader died, it wasn't even a possibility in their minds that he could be redeemed. Luke still believed the good in his father even after all the fucked up shit he did

underage or chink

what im saying is he was in a force vision, he had no concious control of his actions, it may be lazy writing but it has no bearing on the fact that he wouldn't do it, of course he wouldn't do it thats the whole point.

>Ben is having visions of millions dying and of Vader
>you KNOW that Snoke is behind this shit and fucking with his head
>some super powerful dark lord is basically making your nephew schizoprenic and obviously desperately needs help already
>welp, it'll be easier to just kill him I guess, I'm sure that won't prove Snoke right or anything by doing it
Well, good job giving Kylo a reason for being so pissed off and hating his family I guess.

neither, I just find them stupid.

>Stupid shit about little bears holding spears, some zombie guy in a cloak.

who gives a fuck? That shit was made to sell toys to you fucking sheeple.

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i literally cant believe i havent seen this movie. i cant believe star wars has turned into something so unrecognizable and undesirable that i couldnt care less to see it. the old me would have shit my pants when i heard they were continuing the franchise

I actually didn't have problems with this, I would have loved if they explored it more in detail. But I think it works.

why are u even in this thread?

I still, to this day, cannot look at that picture and not laugh. That was the most fun two weeks I had on this board.

the thought of killing ben never crossed his mind, the actions were purely instinctual

and its ironic that Luke took the place of yoda now, not believing that ben could be saved and now rey to take the luke route and try and save him.

honestly it was too early in kylos run to be turned vader had already been sith forever by the time he turned back

He only lied from a certain point of view.

>They ruined muh Luke!
Star Wars fans are pathetic.

>what im saying is he was in a force vision, he had no concious control of his actions
When has that ever been the case?
>it may be lazy writing
It's worse than lazy.
>but it has no bearing on the fact that he wouldn't do it, of course he wouldn't do it thats the whole point.
He would never do that in the first place.

I saw the picture of Luke from TLJ and I like TLJ

I know the hivemind here likes to shit on TLJ but I honestly enjoyed it.

Even if we disregard what TLJ did to Luke's character, it's still a fucking awful movie

says the guy whining about ppl expressing their options about something he doesn't even care about. why are u here?

>the thought of killing ben never crossed his mind
How the fuck can you say that?
>the actions were purely instinctual
He saw a vision, he thought on it and then unsheathed his light sabre. It was a considered action. It was attempted murder.

I wouldn't go as far as saying awful, but meh.
I love Luke's character in this tho

>When has that ever been the case?
The Last Jedi (2017)
>It's worse than lazy.
whats worse than lazy, are you saying the movie was made bad on purpose as a conspiracy to make you unhappy
>He would never do that in the first place.
yes

Chechen beheading videos are entertaining too. What's your point?

Look at pictures from the rerelease in 1997. He looked old even in his 40's.

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WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN THE JOKER WAS SHOEHORNED INTO THE ARKHAM KNIGHT

>The Last Jedi (2017)
It shouldn't be considered canon because it breaks the rules and betrays the characters from everything that occurred prior to it.
>whats worse than lazy, are you saying the movie was made bad on purpose as a conspiracy to make you unhappy
It's incompetent.
>yes
No.

If I recall correctly, Luke had several opportunities to kill Vader but chose not to because he believed he could become good again.

The stuff that doesn't even involve Luke, Rey or Kylo comes off as a shitty filler sub-subplot episode of a long-running science fiction TV series. I'd say awful, especially when these episodes are supposed to work with each other, not against

because i care about having a laugh at pathetic people still complaining about that movie.

>I love Luke's character in this tho

Doesn't matter. Luke is the face of it and it's become a major Christian European piece of identity.

You might as well "ACHTUALLY" about someone complaining about a character assassination of Jesus by bringing up that dec 25th was a pagan holiday.

no he didn't he made a mistake and then regretted it
this movie had enough problems without making up more
honestly i was fine with him having changed a bit over the course of his life
the luke we knew was still young and naive
i don't think he stuck around long enough to lie about
however im sure everyone assumed kylo just snapped and luke dindu nuffin

My brother originally liked TLJ. But i was determined to subvert his expectations by bombarding him with various Youtube reviews. He now hatees Disney's subversion of the franchise. Feels good man.

>It shouldn't be considered canon because it breaks the rules and betrays the characters from everything that occurred prior to it.
that's not how canon works and that's not true, and people can change over the course of 30 years, Luke could have become a sith lord or anything. Taking the character in a bad direction isn't the same as betraying the character, if they set a movie in-between 4 and 5 and Luke was completely different that would be betraying the character.
>It's incompetent.
that means pretty much the same thing as lazy
>no
I was agreeing with you

>no he didn't he made a mistake and then regretted it
If that were the case he would try and rectify his mistake. Luke could certainly feel like a failure or disillusioned if he had done something like that (though he wouldn't) but to just give up completely? Nope.

Changed a bit? He went back on the most defining, fundamental part of his character that was the central arc of the entire franchise. Luke's arc in redeeming Vader is more important to Star Wars than lightsabers or the Millennium Falcon.

Why would you say that? it just prove your brother is fucking stupid.
>Please tell me if i liked the movie or not.

actually creative decision aren't made by disney, they are just a parent company.

How can you subvert his expectations for a film he's already seen.

>I love the direction they took with the character
Sorry, didn't say it as I wanted

>that's not how canon works and that's not true, and people can change over the course of 30 years, Luke could have become a sith lord or anything. Taking the character in a bad direction isn't the same as betraying the character, if they set a movie in-between 4 and 5 and Luke was completely different that would be betraying the character.
Taking the character in a bad direction is betraying the character if that direction is utterly implausible to who he was. If they're going to change it drastically, there has to be a reason why. It can't just be because of a feeling he instantly abandoned every part of his character that had previously been established.
>that means pretty much the same thing as lazy
It really doesn't.
>I was agreeing with you
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luke's arc in redeeming vader was so important to him that he shut himself away when he accidentily betrayed his own character. have you even watched the movie.

You have to read between the lines. Kylo was telling the true story.
Kino.

What's worse, he somehow made a mistake so vastly out of character for who he is and what his journey was all about, that he decides to give up on his friends and family and hide for decades. The absolute opposite of everything Luke ever was in ever single possible way.

There is no similar character trait between this Luke and the OT Luke. Please, name a single one.

>oh he felt bad about it, that makes it okay
He still stood over his apprentice with a laser sword in hand. That'd be like if you were having a sleepover at your friends' house and his father walked into where you were sleeping and was brandishing a rifle over you. There's no way to put this where Luke doesn't look like a psychopath

>I love the direction they took with the character

>muh childhood hero did a mistake a blu blu

no one ever said it was okay.

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My point still stands, he still tried to kill Ben, whether he went all the way or just stood over him with a lightsaber. The intent was definitely there. This is out of character for almost any Jedi, but especially Luke Skywalker, who went out of his way to save Darth fucking Vader.

Yep, a broken guy who trusted the lessons that helped him to make his father comeback from the dark side, seeing how his blind faith in those lessons made him ignore how his nephew was becoming the same thing as Vader, and them realizing how the division between the dark and light sides ended up creating The Empire and allowing all this to happen. That's an Idea I enjoyed

who really cares what happens in the ST anyway the true star wars is the anthologies and rebels that stuff is based on George Lucas's abandoned scripts

But first tried to kill Vader, even going as far as cutting his hand.

Which is retarded, but even ignoring that and pretending that's good writing, why did Luke stop giving a shit about the fate of his family and friends?

When has Luke ever demonstrated anything close to that? He didn't hesitate for a second when he failed before. Luke is so completely different at that instant. People are saying he changed over time because of it, but why did he even go down that path in the first place?

It's just shit writing. Not because of "muh Luke" but because no human being is like that.