How is she a bigger Mary Sue than Luke (farmer who took down the death star) or Anakin (the chosen one)?

How is she a bigger Mary Sue than Luke (farmer who took down the death star) or Anakin (the chosen one)?

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There was an explanation to why Luke was able to make that precise shot.

Character development.
Luke lost his family, Anakin lost his mother (left her in Episode 1 and she died in Episode 2).
Luke almost got killed in the cantina because people didn't like him. Obi-Wan and Yoda both thought Anakin was too old to train.
Everyone loves Rey and she is a whizz with the Force without even knowing what it is

Well, for one thing, both of those characters received training and failed to defeat their enemies at least once.

She was able to swim the first time she was every in water, despite the fact she grew up in a desert.

Even niggers know this isn't possible

Go fuck yourself, corporate shill.

being a naturally good shot, and getting better through training, is not the same as finding the millinium falcon, and being able to pilot it having never been off a desert is not the same thing.

>heh the oter film make no sens eiter so it ok for my new mobie to make no sens aswel!!!

>able to swim the first time she was every in water
When did she swim? I don't remember this.

Someone should probably update this with TLJ shit, which ever further cemented her Mary Sue status

In TFA, Rey is a Mary Sue because she is instantly liked, trusted and put on a pedestal by everyone she meets.

Han Solo wants her on his crew and trusts her enough to work on the Falcon. Chewbacca watches over her and rips off Unkar's arm to protect her, who also wants her for inexplicable reasons. Maz is willing to give her a lightsaber, and not just any lightsaber, but the Legacy lightsaber of the series. Finn loves her and his sole motivation in rescuing her is that he loves her. The major villains of the movie want her. Princess Leia hugs her and not Chewbacca when Han Solo dies, and personally tells her that the Force is with her. She inherits the Millennium Falcon, Chewbacca, and R2-D2 when one of the three most beloved characters in the franchise is killed off. The primary villain of the movie, Kylo Ren, obsesses over her when she is his prisoner and is the first person in the movie to take his mask off to. Absolutely every single thing is handed to her and her competence and personality are never questioned in any way, shape or form by anyone in the movie.

This is what makes a Mary Sue. Not the fact that she has all of these amazing powers and abilities without even trying or without having been trained, but the fact that absolutely everyone she meets instantly likes and trusts her. This is the true mark of a Mary Sue, and it is due to an inability of a writer to create a compelling character. A Mary Sue will always be a stand-in for how the writer wants the fictional characters to react to them personally.

None of this can be refuted. She is a Mary Sue, and it isn't because she has powers and is a woman. It's because she is horribly written and to defend her is to defend bad writing.

>instead of defending rey, how about I attack others to try and bring them down to her level of shitty character?

Could you, like, not, sweetie?

Luke dindu nufin special. He is basicaly a space wizard with superhuman reflexes. So to make precise shot is nothing special for him. But he immediately lost the first fight against another space wizard and couldn’t perform magic tricks like lifting objects and mind control.

Which one was Unkar? I don't remember any arm scene.
You forgot to include that Leia had never met Rey and did not know anything about her history with Han, so they had no reason embrace

She flew through the fucking inside of a wrecked stardestroyer the first time she was ever behind the controls of a starship.

She out flew trained fighter pilots, the FIRST FUCKING TIME she was behind the controls.

She spoke wookie despite no wookies on her shitty planet.

If the director wanted to explain these easily he could have, he could have made her a pod racer or some shit, someone trained in fast paced twitch racing, or had wookies in the background of shit planet.

The director didn't want that, he wanted MARY SUE.

JJ loves a 'good' mystery. He can't explain anything

>Luke dindu nufin special. He is basicaly a space wizard with superhuman reflexes. So to make precise shot is nothing special for him

It was a deleted scene, Unkar was the portion guy, he appeared in the Cantina rip-off scene to get back Rey, then Chewbacca appeared out of nowhere to rip off his arm

luke's island in TLJ

Worst part is that half the reason people wanted an explanation on Rey's origin was that she was doing outrageous stuff that she had no right to do.
Then Rian just went. lol nope she is a nobody

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Because neither of them mastered the Force a week after finding out it wasn't a myth.

Any other questions?

No wonder that a big deal of people that hated TLJ were the ones that wanted closure about that.

Go away Disney shills

>becomes Jedi Master at the age of 18

For keks
youtu.be/KPmG8uAtBOc?t=58s

You do know both of them can be Mary Sues right? Stop being a deluded manchild who defends his shit sandwich because 'this one aired when I was a kid and happy for once' bullshit.

Would like to see that Ahmed creampie Rey Tiny4k style. Something about seeing libcucks dominanted by blacks and arabs because of their 'progressive' agenda makes me both laugh and get hard.

Luke and Anakin lost a fucking hand the first time we ever saw them in a lightsaber duel

Rey styled all over Kylo but he was severely injured, which people often like to ignore. No excuse for her styling all over Snoke's royal guard though

>lost a fucking hand
Ah yes, with the massive consequence of a robot hand that acts exactly the same. Brutal!

And yet even that is too much of a consequence for Rey. This is what you're defending.

Especially when they're kind of ugly-hot like Daisy, you don't feel as bad about something beautiful being destroyed but you don't feel the lack of rush from it being an absolute disgust cow

>hurt like absolute fuck at first, my scream of pain was legendary
>can't feel the skin on my arm anymore forever
>NO BIG DEAL THOUGH ACCORDING TO THIS GUY

If Rey at least came out scarred or lost a limb in a fight, I'd be more forgiving, but no. We can't have our little fighting Bella Swan looking too imperfect.

Bump

>NO YOU JUST WANTED YOUR HEADCANON TO BE CANON. LOL NERD

I hate when people do this shit. I would have loved if Rey was a nobody if she hadn't been so overpowered from the beginning. If she was actually being trained by Luke and while meditating or trying to lift a rock the Force gave her a vision of what happened when she was young. Her parents were drunkards and sold her to Simon Pegg for booze money then left her. This would obviously upset her so she'd run away from the training/meditation and go sit on a cliff or something to sulk while looking at the binary sunset. Luke would approach her where she would tearfully tell him that she's nothing, a nobody. Luke would place his hand on her shoulder and tell her that his father was a slave before becoming the most powerful Jedi ever. He would tell her that he himself was just a moisture farmer before becoming the Jedi he is now. He would tell her where her story begins doesn't really matter, it's where she chooses to go and what she does during that story that matters. Then they could both look out at the binary sunset while Light of the Force plays.

Because new writers are hacks that can't do actual drama and tension if their life depended on it.

>She flew through the fucking inside of a wrecked stardestroyer the first time she was ever behind the controls of a starship.
She did it without a co-pilot too either. I guess Chewie (and Nien Numb) were just fuckos in the OT, doing nothing in that second seat the whole time

Those had flaws or moral struggles. No one would be complaining if Rey had turned evil, it was the only way to save this shit character and trilogy

The most retarded part of those abilities is what they actually tried to explain them in small novel released alongside ep7 - turns out she had Y-Wing on-board computer she found while scavenging. Of course it was with flight simulator and she trained using freighter model similar to Falcon. She learned wookie, droid and other languages with it aswell, somehow.

>being THIS dense

>"THEY BE SAYIN' OUR MAIN CHARACTER IS A MARY SUE! LET'S MAKE THE SECOND MOVIE ABOUT EVERYONE FAILING!"
Rey still doesn't fail in TLJ. Further cements her as a Mary Sue character.
Jay Bauman can go suck a dick. Stay out of future Star Wars discussions and stick to your torture porn movies!

Its bait. Stop giving him yous and remember to put sage in the email field so you don't bump the shitty thread up.

Very accurate post. This should be a posted everytime someone asks

Thats a better scene than anything out of nu-wars sure its cheesy but it least it feels honest and if done right could be a great scene. Instead we get super leia

/r/ that cap about how stories for women focus on getting shit handed to them while stories for men focus on struggle and having to achieve things.

lukes success was based on the empires weakness, rather his strength. Anakin was written to be strong, Rey was written for the audience to find cool.

Apparently you understand even less what a Mary Sue is than Daisy Ridley.

Well, the co-pilot is needed to flip on the deflector shields in TFA, Rey has to awkwardly reach over to Chewie's side during the TIE chase. I guess it was the same in the OT, I remember Han asking Chewie at least once if the shields are turned on.

>Anakin was written to be strong

Anakin might be the strongest there is, but he's constantly, sometimes rightfully, shat on by the Council and Obi-Wan. And nobody trusts him. Also, his life was a foregone conclusion at the time the prequels came out. No matter how good and powerful he might have been, he was always going to be a lonely hateful robotman in the end.

Whats funnier is that she foughr a sith apprentice in a fucking blizzard planet despite living on a hot desert one all her life in the same skimpy robes shes worn all throughout the film. Ive yet to see anyone notice how silly it is that shes not freezing to death despite every other character wearing a coat.

It's actually constantly spammed by alt right polturds.

Luke received some basic force premonition training in ep4. Luke already owned a speeder, and discussed how he used to bomb whomp rats, well in advance of being sent out on a task of similar nature. He didn't run out in ep4 with his lightsaber and fight Vader, he simply used his rudimentary force training to be slightly better at a bombing task he was already familiar with doing.

Luke received a nice time gap before ep5, so clearly he had time to practice a little on his own. He still managed to kinda suck at the force near the beginning of ep5, and struggled to escape the Wampa. He showed genuine progress from his training, but wasn't somehow magically better than Vader. By losing the fight, Luke is blameless for Vader's later misdeeds. Furthermore, we get to see Luke struggle, and can then give a damn about his fails and successes.

Luke received another nice time gap before ep6, starting with a deed to establish where he had progressed with his training. He was more confident can capable, and thanks to the prior two films, it was believable that he should be. Not to trivialize the threat of Vader, Luke still gets his ass handed to him when fighting Vader, up until the point he loses his temper. Better than beating Vader in a battle, Luke made good on his enlightened plea to Vader, proving that Luke is still the optimistic moisture farmer we met in ep4. it took three movies to get there, but it was the earned ending by that time.

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Anakin had a nearly 20 year time gap to train in.

What about actually try to refute it instead of spamming meaningless buzzwords?

... And then there is Rey.

She collects parts for money, which is not a bad starter. Somehow she fixed the MF, which was a little out of left field. It wasn't huge, but they could have stood to have had her do or say something prior that would have established she could put things together, and was somehow better at it than the two guys who owned the actual ship for the last 30+ years. Whatever, kids these days... Rey later manages to manifest force powers, deflecting a mind probe from a Vader level threat, without any prior practice or meditation of any kind. She then goes on to fight her Vader for some reason, on the surface of the most poorly guarded space station in the universe, which was destroyed on a whim by a senior citizen and a walking carpet, without any prior planning.

Then in ep8, she bypasses any training and runs headlong into the "OMG I'm gonna reform Vader" subplot. Instead of actually needing to escape him, or losing a fight, she voluntarily elects to not fight him anymore. At this point she has zero reason not to fully believe he will kill more people, and he proves this by immediately trying to kill her and her rebel friends. "Friends" being a generous term, since she met them only briefly before setting out to meet the Jedi master that she ignored in order to get to that point.

Now for ep9, the Rebellions has to start at zero, while the new Empire is in total control. There is every reason to assume they will have yet another planet killing weapon, and every reason to assume they will be intent on using it. They will gloss over the fact that every one of Kylo Ren's kills could have been prevented by Rey. If not prevented, she could have at least put forth an effort of some type. By this point in the original trilogy, Luke had experienced a hero's journey. By this point in the sequel trilogy, Rey has been given a free ride to the finish line.

so why would she shave her armpits? according to feminists womyn shave only because of patriarchy

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>Luke isn't officially a Jedi before he defeats Vader
>Rey is now a Jedi just because

It's just a title user. Yoda wanted Luke to be brave enough to show up for the fight.

>Luke would approach her where she would tearfully tell him that she's nothing, a nobody. Luke would place his hand on her shoulder and tell her that his father was a slave before becoming the most powerful Jedi ever. He would tell her that he himself was just a moisture farmer before becoming the Jedi he is now. He would tell her where her story begins doesn't really matter, it's where she chooses to go and what she does during that story that matters. Then they could both look out at the binary sunset while Light of the Force plays.
STOP
STOP BEING SOME RANDOM FAG ON A TAIWANESE PIGEON RACING BOARD AND WRITING BETTER SCENES THAN FUCKING HOLLYWOOD CAN MANAGE

It's funny how almost every single suggestion or an alternative version for ep 8 I've seen from anons has been a million times better than what we actually got. Like, it's clearly not even hard to write a good movie from the setting and the only reason TLJ failed was deliberate incompetence.

The lack of self awareness they display is baffling.
There’s no way they didn’t know that’s MaRey Sue was the single biggest criticism the TFA got, yet knowing that, they made her literally the only person who doesn’t fail in a movie about failure.

Like you are trying to refute Luke is just as much as a Mary Sue as Rey? Dont make me laugh.

Both Luke and Anakin trained for more than 5 minutes. Shit Luke didn't use a lightsaber until the second movie and when faced with a master of lightsaber combat lose a fucking limb.

>Anakin and Luke is literally the same character
>gets a pass because they're white males

what did they white incel autists mean by this

>NO YOU JUST WANTED YOUR HEADCANON TO BE CANON. LOL NERD
I don't get it either. God forbid you expect more than you receive. God forbid to expect effort and creativity from those that write the story. God forbid to try too hard.

Still not an argument.

>Anakin and Luke is literally the same character
This is your brain in social justice.

It’a also amazingly ungrateful.
The whole reason many people made theories is because they were invested in the series; you don’t do that to things you don’t care about.
To turn around and tell them they’re all fag nerds for daring to hope is the apex of hubris, and I’m glad it bit them on the ass

I actually teared up reading this. Great job, user. Once again, you prove that there are random fags on Sup Forums with a better grasp of good writing than Hollywood morons making millions of dollars.

Luke had more clear, discernible flaws and was portrayed for most of the first two movies as an unknowledgeable farm kid.

Rey has no flaws whatsoever, and seems to know everything immediately without any time for growth.

/THREAD

No character development and she is literally good in everything.

>Why are we still here?
>Just to suffer?
Big Boss was a true Jedi.

The way I see it, Kylo is the true main character of the Sequels. He's the one having the journey, his actions will inevitably control the outcome of things, and he's the one viewers can better relate with.

What if our expectations get subverted again and the rebels INCLUDING mary sue get fucking killed and Kylo establishes his new empire at the end?

She isn't. SW has always been shit, seriously, drop that fucking nostalgia goggles and wake the fuck up

But you need to train an apprentice to knighthood before becoming a master. If your apprentice fails, you're still a knight.

This is why you don't go into ideology. It makes you say false things to sate its needs.

How the fuck is possible that you are talking about this same shit after years that the movie was released? Shit, talk about new stupid things at least not the same shit over and over.

She is a mary sue, everyone with two neurons knows that. She is so strong because she is a woman and we are living in the rising of feminism. Women strong!

Ok, next subject.

>implying they would allow any of this happen
Please, they have an responsibility with their "new" audience. Do you think they would be raving on about girl power and decide to SUBVERT things? They'd be torn apart by the progressive media, who'd be in panic about how this move would embolden "the alt-right".

>How is she a bigger Mary Sue than Luke (farmer who took down the death star)
Luke was largely disliked, had big shoes to fill, was lied to, failed constantly and was good for only two things. His potential (note, not yet actualized) in the force and his piloting ability.
>or Anakin (the chosen one)?
Jesus Christ is the chosen one, and He is wildly disliked and didn't follow the patterns of a Gary Stu. Likewise, Anakin is doubted by the council throughout the three films, is arrogant because of his abilities and loses twice because of it.
The only thing approaching Gary Stu was his Naboo flight sequence, which we overlook because the actor is a 9 year old kid.

>embolden the “alt-right”

And this after theykve gone to great length to align the First Order both with older fans as well as the alt-right. The Empire was textbook Roman Empire, and it was perfect. If they’d really wanted to do something brave, creative, and interesting, they’d have made them old Rome’s successor. Imagine if the First Order were essentially an army of rabid Sith-worshippers.

Personally, I'd like to make the successor state of the Empire having more in common with ISIS or North Korea.

Bigger Luke

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anakin has more than a decade of training and years of experience commanding and fighting in the clone wars by episode III. luke also has to train for years and still gets his ass handed to him by vader until he goes ragemode. rey doesnt have any training but manages kylo anyway. luke is called a great pilot in IV while rey has never left jakku and there is no reason to think she ever had the money to learn how to fly.

>Someone should probably update this with TLJ shit, which ever further cemented her Mary Sue status
Got you covered senpai

any of the x-wing pilots could do what luke did, he just got extremely lucky thanks to Han. chosen one ani was gay as fuck, but he at least falls to the dark side which is the contrast to his prodigal nature (as boring as it is).

"you dont see one black person in lotr"
one of the reasons i love the movies.

>Imperial Remnant from some secluded Outer Rim garrison
>News of Endor reach them later than rest of the galaxy, at first leadership hides the fact
>Finally reveal the truth but claim that Sheev is just hiding
>They just need to hold on until he comes back
>Small in numbers. Have to rely on terror tactics and automation.
>Conveniently they are sitting on enormous stash of experimental weaponry that Empire was developing in secret
>All personel is brainwashed about how much of a shithole the New Republic is
>Throughout the whole movie there are hints that Sheev is indeed manipulating everything from behind the scenes
>It turns out to be a ruse on part of remnant leadership who were afraid of fracturing of their forces. The Sith are really gone and there's no master plan, just death throes of fallen regime.
Subverted?

I’m citing this as my reason for skipping Black Panther. I mean, why would I want to watch a whole movie with only one type of person in it?

They need to put an IG-100 in IX beating Rey or something.

That works, though. They could have been a theocracy.