Is this kino?

Is this kino?

Better than Big Short but worse than better movies

Too "morally ambiguous" and it gets boring.

This is the movie where I realized Scorsese lost his touch a long time ago.

>tell me what to think and feel please

I lost track of what's happening in the movie at some point

what's his best movie? goodfellas?

Lesser Scorsese to be sure, so still a near masterpiece. One of the best explorations of character through form I can think of.

Well no, it's just that the film doesn't seem to care about its own lack of direction. Which is fine and all, just not very interesting.

its very entertaining, but not kino. more of a comedy

yeah. That or casino.

Casino or The Age of Innocence

THis is literally a goodfellas remake

LUDES

what lack of direction? I think you're just a retarded kid.

No because it's just a boring and uninspired retread of Goodfellas.

As in, it just rambles towards the finish. It doesn't seem to have anything to say about its lead, nor does it's final line seem anywhere as witty or satisfying as it should. WOWS pales in comparison to Goodfellas.

>It doesn't seem to have anything to say about its lead
Did you even watch it?

If you think Goodfellas is Scorsese's best film, you don't even deserve to watch Scorsese films.

Why is Jordan so cool bros???

It's a cautionary tale.

Retarded kid confirmed

The movie is pretty obvious that Belfort is a degenerate shithead. You honestly sound like the same people that complained about Pain & Gain making light of murder. No, Belfort was 100% an asshole and the meatheads from P&G were dumbasses.

Yes, it plays like just a buncha stuff that happens.
I want to agree with this but im not sure it delivers as such should. He ends up still rich (if not as powerful) and still somewhat influential (even if to nobodies). It's hardly a rags to riches to rags tale.

You have to watch it with the point of view that Leo is the bad guy, and he's not supposed to be glorified.

but the movie does it poorly, because he has a big mansion, fucks broads and you don't really care for the FBI guy.

As a layman I don't really understand what he was doing wrong, or how he was able to go for so long without being caught.

Honestly I had a great time watching it. Not so great rewatching. Too long and pointless.

Nope
It's a b-movie story with high budget production

>sell me this pen
"No!"

I don't understand, are you implying that because Belfort doesn't lose his fortune or influence that the film doesn't position him as morally reprehensible? The fact that he gets away without much more than a slap on the wrist is entirely the point. Belfort is the logical conclusion of Henry Hill and Ace Rothstein - the legitimisation of the gangster.

white self aggrandizement garbage

they call other people degenerate frauds but portray themselves cool when they do the exact same shit

I completely disagree.

Taxi Driver or Last Temptation of Christ.

That's exactly what I'm saying, didn't represent well enough why his position should be unenviable. It's all just too celebratory. It would have been more satisfying if the dark personal realities were represented on screen.

That sounds painfully didactic, and not in Scorsese's MO. The "celebratory" parts were by design - Scorsese uses Belfort's lifestyle to seduce the audience the same way he seduces his clients and his brokers - but deftly and subtly reveals it as hollow. I can't imagine anyone who isn't already a garbage human being rooting for Belfort by the time he's hitting his wife and kidnapping his daughter. I agree it's not one of his stronger films, but that's really only by virtue of his strongest films being so unimpeachably good.

To each their own. I can rewatch it and it never gets old or feels long. Scorsese knows how to make a long movie feel shorter. Maybe it's the longer cuts, or the obvious act structure, but I never find myself bored with his movies.

>The fact that he gets away without much more than a slap on the wrist is entirely the point.
...I'm pretty sure he went to jail for a while and lost mostly all of his fortune before getting out and then the shitty "sell me da pen" scene happens. What movie did you watch?

Its degeneracy masturbation with a few funny scenes. All the characters are horrible.

It was meh as fuck and I don't want to see another DiCaprio Scorsese film again, he'll never reach top kino without de Niro.

One I paid more attention to than you, I guess.
>I'm not ashamed to admit it - when I arrived at prison I was absolutely terrified, but I needn't have been. See, for a brief, fleeting moment, I'd forgotten I was rich and I lived in a place where everything was for sale.
The shot of Agent Denham taking his shitty subway ride home juxtaposed with Jordan on the way to his resort prison says it all, really.

Yeah, its a pretty great movie.

i wouldn't see Sup Forums liking it because it glorifies a chad lifestyle.

but if you're just looking for some harmless fun with a constantly progressing plot, then i'd suggest checking it out

Based on what people are saying in this thread I think they hate it because they literally didn’t get it. One guy even called it morally ambiguous

In all fairness, saying it's morally ambiguous is still less of a gross misreading than saying it 'glorifies a chad lifestyle.'

Scorsese's mafiakinos are way more chad than The Wolf of Wall Street and Sup Forums loves them.

Just watching other people take stimulants endlessly is just not fun or interesting to watch.

Its a shitty retreading of ground already covered in Goodfellas except drugs and sex replacing the violence, with some of the domestic violence from Raging Bull sprinkled in.

jeeeesus christ
thank you

That was me.
Let me clarify, the film doesn't know what moral code it lives by. Is it amoral fun? Is Belfort a corporate mobster who is just trying to provide for his company family?
What would you say it is, if not morally ambiguous smart guy?

Taxi Driver > Raging Bull > Mean Streets > The King of Comedy > Cape Fear > The Last Temptation of Christ > Bringing Out The Dead > Casino > Goodfellas > shit > rest

I bet you have a Fight Club poster on your dorm room wall.

>Over half of these are literally who movies
Fantastic bait

Switch Taxi Driver with The King of Comedy and you are literally me.

Those are all well known films you fucking philistine. Is everyone who posts here underaged?

Cape Fear being above Casino or Goodfellas is retarded, and its a good movie.

Cape Fear is his worst good film.

Goodfellas isn't a great movie because of its message though. If Henry maintained his mafia fortunes and the ending was just about him dealing with Jimmy it'd still be a great movie.

After Hours

But it made sense, he couldn't play the system any other way than how he did. He burned out too quickly, and the price he paid for his salvation was giving up the game and living out the rest of his life like a schnook.
Belforts trajectory as a character is comparable but nowhere near as emotionally resonant. The crimes Belfort commited simply were too technical in comparison to what Hill was onto, and so the punishments set unto him don't feel significant.

>Better than Big Short
Not saying a lot. The Big Short was a terrible movie.

I really like this movie and have seen it twice and honestly have no intention of ever watching it again.

Great movie but, I'm good.

>so the punishments set unto him don't feel significant
That is - again - entirely the point.

They're comparable though because Big Short was a rip off of this

Intent nonwithstanding, why then am I supposed to give a shit or feel an emotional impact from the conclusion and prior events?

I feel like a lot of this movie is THIS WOULD BE FUN AS FUCK TO SHOOT HOLY SHIT as opposed to 'this is needed to progress this plot'

It's not all style no substance, but I think it kinda rides the line at times. I feel this is partly due to its length.

Reddit btfo

I hated how this movie delivered profanity every 5 seconds but the moment two white men having a conversation alone have to say the word "nigger" they just go with "the n-word"

Idk, I see it exactly parallel with the McDonald's film The Founder.

Just psychopathic promotion of gluttony.

Nahh man

anyone who says anything other than casino is a fucking pleb

Agree, and the founder at least benefits from a clear and easily understood premise.

is it me or half of the events of the film felt like total bullshit? I know they're supposed to make his life more flashy and entertaining but some scenes felt so surreal like the yacht scene in the middle of a storm and then the main character just casually watching as an airplane fucking explodes in the sky a couple hours after that. you can't help but think they're being exaggerated on purpose

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>i wouldn't see Sup Forums liking it because it glorifies a chad lifestyle
>Sup Forums
>not liking chad lifestyle
new to Sup Forums m8?

>age of innocence
>shit
>cheesy schlock like cape fear that high
Top pleb.

Overrated trash.

ignore the brainlets that replied to you, you do have a good point
technically the movie is a biopic and like most biopics it's supposed to be expository, that's why you maybe didn't see it as criticism on the guy's life

literary kyselves

including everyone who said
>it was a great movie
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Are you new to Sup Forums? Watch someone post an American Pie thread or any other teen movie and watch people here flip their shit because they never experienced teenage romance.

I really dislike degeneracy and some of the scenes in the film were... well I guess I'm no fun at all.

would you be surprised to learn that Jordan Belfort is Jewish?

WYPIPO R EVUL

this aint the /r9k/ you're used to user
go back

Almost all of the events depicted really happened,. It feels ridiculous because it's like one big thing after another after another and that's not the speed of how it happened irl.