Would Goku win?

Would Goku win?

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human torch should be enough to deal with goku, since he feels heat and can be burned.

probably not

The only ones who would have a chance are Human Torch and Thor
Human Torch would be dealt with via no-attack, probably a kamehameha
Goku/Thor would be a great fight

Yeah I think he could probably deal with Thor solo (still would be a great fight) but if it's all the Avengers at once like OP implied they could probably take him. Human Torch probably wouldn't stand a chance solo but in a large group like this he'd be really useful since like another user said Goku feels heat/can be burned (unless SSG/Blue gets rid of this weakness for whatever reason)

It's either this

Or this

now he would

Against there?
Sure

Add in Doctor Strange, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, and the Silver Surfer and THEN we can talk

Iron man would be defeat him. his armour is made of Iron.

of course.

There really aren't many heroes or villains in the Marvel universe that could deal with the OP cheese that is DBZ and onward

DC on the other hand would be a more fair match

> Marvel Universe.
> Universe that has Dr. Doom in it.

NOPE.

you do realize that in DBZ only brute force matters, right?

actual skill, strategy, or intelligence were proven to be useless time and time again

Ok. Tournament of Power. But instead of eight teams of ten from the DBverse, instead, we gotta pick eight media-based teams. So there's one Dragonball team, a DC team, a Marvel team, etc.

Who would you all pick for the other teams, and what 10 would you put on them?

>actual skill, strategy, or intelligence were proven to be useless time and time again

Pretty much why I hate that series, as well as most shonen fighter animes
It always just come down to the main character solving everything with some OP move they pulled out of their asses three seconds ago

>impyling

And you do realize Goku has never run up against some with the intellect like Doom. Oh sure Gero is close, but Doom isn't just robotics he has mystical abilities as well.

Plus with a better body hoping technique than Ginyu. If Doom can fool the Silver Surfer, then Goku is a cakewalk given how stupid he is.

Saiyan arc Vegeta probably could. Having read Marvel comics for over ten years now, I don't know how somebody could read Marvel Comics and seriously think in good faith that if a casual planet buster came to Earth he wouldn't be considered an absolute beast by virtually everybody there. They constantly have epic struggles over much less, and the big gun heroes like Hulk don't display anything above it, and only really match it sparingly.

Planets in the DBZ universe are made of paper mache, Roshi could fucking blow up the moon.

>actual skill, strategy, or intelligence were proven to be useless time and time again in DBZ

Literally the very first fight of the series is an overwhelmingly powerful but dumb fighter being taken out by three much weaker fighters with teamwork and a special technique.

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>Gladiator
>Thor
>Hercules
>The Hulk
>Thanos
>Doctor Strange
>Scarlet Witch
>The Silver Surfer
>Squirrel Girl (the classic one, not the SJW garbage)


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>Martian Manhunter
>Wonder Woman
>Doomsday
>Firestorm
>Power Girl
>Captain Marvel
>General Zod
>The Flash
>Darkseid
>Superman

That just means Buff Roshi is incredibly powerful. Notably supplemental material states that no character actually managed to match that energy output of his Kamehameha before early Saiyan arc Goku. Which correlates with us not seeing feats on that level again until Piccolo destroys the moon in the early Saiyan arc.

and the second time they try teamwork, everyone dies

The difference being that even though they're already reaching planet busting levels, Goku still struggles training with weights that wouldn't even faze Thor.

how the hell does the moon keep returning?

They do much better with teamwork against Nappa than they did on their own. And teamwork is what ultimately beats Vegeta after Goku tries to 1v1 him and gets beaten like a drum for it.

It's explained by Kami restoring it. Apparently that's his job as the God of Earth. Meanwhile it's the job of higher gods like King Kai/Kaio to create and restore stars. It's not actually surprising now that I think about it; Shenron explicitly can't exceed Kami's power (which is why the heroes can't just tell him to kill Vegeta), and he can restore a whole destroyed planet.
Pretty sure that only happened once and is just Toriyama not understanding numbers. Like how Thor/Hulk/Hulkbuster are constantly and consistently stated to only be capable of lifting 100-200 tons.

Since we're talking about Dragon Ball here, am I the only person who thinks Multiverse is better than Super's universe survival arc?

Sure, it's more alternate timelines than different universes, but it allows us to have an idea of what happened in each world, and to at least emphasize a bit with each world. For Super, we're given maybe five or so lines about how Universe 9 is like before its erased. Same with all the other worlds, with the exception of maybe 6 and 11.

>Rogue touches Goku with out her glove on

>Implying Quicksilver is even as fast as Goku

Back in Dragonball, Goku and his opponents regularly disappeared to normal humans during fights because they were moving so fast.

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DBZ isn't nearly as powerful a most people think. For example, most characters? Not actually planet level. The Instant Transmission Kamehameha proves it.

This. Quicksilver is a very shitty speedster compsred to retarded stuff like the Flash and OP shonen characters

Quicksilver has an actual provable feat for being faster than light. Goku doesn't.

The Instant Transmission Kamehameha proves nothing. It's explicitly stated that DB characters can condense their blasts to only deal damage in a specific area, but they don't actually have any less energy.

I gotta get back to reading more valiant. They're really good.

is Imperium done yet? I wanna finish that.

Silver Surfer is actually a relative weakling. He's very weak physically, with most of his power coming from energy output, and even in that area he's drastically below par with what would be expected for someone who does what he does (see him failing to power a small star for more than a few seconds). He seems to primarily accomplish his most impressive feats (like making stars go nova or supernova) via hax and matter manipulation.

>Implying fighting someone as strong as him won't just give Goku a boner
>Implying his Zenkai Boost won't just make him immediately stronger than Rogue

The ITK proved that Goku had to teleport to avoid hitting the Earth. If he didn't have to, he wouldn't have bothered, because Cell clearly would never have expected him to fire from the air, making it the perfect option to catch him by surprise. It also proved Cell's solar system claim false, if he had that kind of power then the slightest touch of his and Gohan's final attacks would have vaporized the planet under them at the slightest contact. They didn't.

>explicitly stated
By fucking FANS. Vegeta changing the shape of one technique one time so it doesn't even hit the Earth does not mean a direct hit from a planet level attack wouldn't destroy a planet because they can "control the area." That's fanon bullshit.

>The Instant Transmission Kamehameha proves it.

How?

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I honestly do not believe any of these would have a chance against whatever DBZ or even DC would thwow at them, with maybe the exceptions of Ben, Aku, HIM, Grim, Jorgen, and Uncle Grandpa, and all of these are essentially gods or able to turn into them

>very weak physically
The guy beat down the Abomination with his bare hands in one page, and that was several power ups ago.

could Supergirl beat Trunks

Guys

>Poison Ivy just uses her pheromones to seduce Goku

Or

>Rogue takes off her glove, touches his bulging bicep, and takes his powers.

>Silver Surfer is actually a relative weakling

Silver surfer is an example of a character who has only grown weaker over time. Way back in the day the Power Cosmic used to be a big deal. When doctor doom stole it the first time, it basically allowed him to take over the world single handedly

Goku regularly dodged lasers even as a kid

See

>The ITK proved that Goku had to teleport to avoid hitting the Earth.
No, he teleported to hit Cell off guard. If he wasn't at point blank range, Cell could have just moved out of the way.

>It also proved Cell's solar system claim false, if he had that kind of power then the slightest touch of his and Gohan's final attacks would have vaporized the planet under them at the slightest contact.
Again, explicitly stated to be capable of condensing. And Cell's solar system busting is explicitly confirmed in guides, the anime, and video games. "Power condensing" is pretty much a required power of any high-level super in any media anyway, or else e.g. Superman would kill all life on Earth as a side effect whenever he throws a serious punch. He doesn't. In fact usually his punches don't even launch whatever superpowered enemy he's hitting very far.

>By fucking FANS.
By official material actually.

In the same universe where Thor's hammer barely phased Godzilla?

In that case we may as well give his post on the team to Galactus

The Hulk would stand a good shot of winning because of his durability and super strength. Thor has strength and durability as well, but also magic and his hammer. Sentry is also a good bet since he's basically Superman.

Everyone else is fodder.

>he teleported to catch Cell off guard
NOT teleporting would have caught Cell off guard because Cell was sure he would never fire from the air, I already talked about this.

>capable of condensing
Vegeta did that one time with one attack, and it was to avoid hitting the planet. Completely inapplicable.

>by official materials
Horse shit.

I'm having trouble following this argument. Is this guy seriously trying to say DBZ characters aren't planet busters or what?

Those lack of collateral damage nerfs work both ways, doomsday can't fly or will himself to stay on the ground so every time superman hits him with a serious punch it should send him flying out of orbit. There's a good chance that shock waves from trading just continent busting punches would wipe out a city and Hulk and Thor get into life or death fights in New York all the time. Almost all brick superhero fights have have this issue.

>NOT teleporting would have caught Cell off guard because Cell was sure he would never fire from the air,
No, because if he did fire from the fire, it would take time for the beam to travel from Cell's perspective, and he'd have plenty of time to move out of the way. We see him do this multiple times in that very fight. Later, we see Cell try to pull the exact same trick on Gohan by launching a Kamehameha from a similar distance, and Gohan has more than enough time to generate his own Kamehameha to completely cancel it out. No reason Cell couldn't have done the same thing to Goku. So Goku shot him in the back. We know off-guard attacks are advantaegous.
>Horse shit.
Sorry, you're wrong. From Daizenshuu 7's attack dictionary:

>Big Bang Attack: a ki wave which Vegeta fired at Artificial Human No. 19. This technique, which easily destroyed Artificial Human No. 19, could be called Super Saiyan Vegeta's version of the Gyarik-ho, which can shatter a planet. However, the differences between it and the Gyarik-ho are the ki's shape and firing method. First, he sticks one hand out in front, then emits a ki blast from the palm of that hand. This ki is condensed down into one big lump and can deal heavy damage inside a specific range.

The same material also explicitly states that Goku's Kamehameha at the 23rd Budokai could easily destroy the moon. Right next to a picture of him firing it at Piccolo and it leaving no damage to the surrounding atmosphere, when by the book's own words, the Earth should be a lifeless wreck after that. If they couldn't condense it.

Though really, that should be obvious from literally everything they do. Like how in the Saiyan arc, Nappa creates an explosion the size of a continent by raising a finger that doesn't harm him and Vegeta at all, yet in his own fight with the saiyans he gets burns from a grenade-sized blast. It doesn't even slightly scratch their pods, which a Raditz-tier character can shatter with a headbutt.

Yes I am, because they're demonstrably not. How else was Vegeta killed by Earth exploding when he was in SSB?

>he died from lack of air
Bullshit, if he survived he would have sensed the other survivors and gone to find them, if for no other reason than the reasonable assumption they had air somehow. He never showed. The only explanation is that he was already dead.

Okay, but that has nothing to do with DBZ.

>fire from the fire
I think you meant air.

>taken time for the beam
Then why was Cell so fucking terrified?

>Daizenshuu
Oh, you mean something that's essentially FAN WRITTEN bullshit that means nothing.

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even more underpowered, with the exception of Bill

>yet in his own fight with the saiyans

*the Earthlings

Additionally Daizenshuu 7 states that Goku's first Spirit Bomb that he threw at Vegeta (the small one that could fit in his hand, not the giant one he threw at Freeza) had more than power to destroy the planet. Something also stated in the series itself, so it's more of an out-of-universe confirmation than anything:

>Genki-Dama [Spirit Ball] First Appearance: Chapter 212 Category: ki manipulation People: Son Goku Special Characteristics: The Genki-Dama is a technique that gathers the energy held by grass and trees, humans and animals, objects and the atmosphere, and then fires it. A Genki-Dama gathered from only Kaio Planet had the destructive power to smash a super-speed brick. From this, in the case of a Genki-Dama made on Earth, if you consider the Earth’s size, it would certainly have the force to destroy a planet.

It has this text, again, right next to an image of the Spirit Bomb being used, and generating a tiny explosion (less than a standard 500-pound bomb) that nonetheless fucks up Vegeta. Who stood at the center of the aforementioned continent-razing explosion without his hair even being moved.

>Yes I am, because they're demonstrably not. How else was Vegeta killed by Earth exploding when he was in SSB?

Just because they're planet busters doesn't mean they can't be killed by other planet busters. Golden Frieza clearly had more raw power than both Goku and Vegeta. His stamina and arrogance cost him that fight.

If Vegeta was killed by a planet level attack in the current most powerful form, then how can you say they had been planet level years before when their best was exponentially weaker?

>I think you meant air.
Yes.
>Then why was Cell so fucking terrified?
Because he thought Goku was actually going to destroy the planet by firing the blast directly at Earth with no condensing. He wasn't scared so much as completely shocked that Goku would actually do that, since that would mean suicide for him (but not Cell, he can survive in space). To him it just didn't make any sense.
>Oh, you mean something that's essentially FAN WRITTEN
No, the thing that's written by the license-holders of the franchise to define their series, and which has Toriyama's name on the front, which the license-holders can also use. Try again.

>How else was Vegeta killed by Earth exploding when he was in SSB?
He suffocate in space. We already know for sure that an exploding planet is harmless to them. Freeza said as much to Goku in their fight on Namek (before smugly noting that Goku can't breathe in space), and Freeza himself survived Namek exploding in his face with little to no ki left and missing most of his body.

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>Roshi blew up the moon
>Piccolo blew up the moon
>Vegeta almost blew up Earth with Galick Gun
>Frieza blew up both Namek and Planet Vegeta
>Vegeta almost blew up Earth with Final Flash
>Goku had to teleport to avoid hitting Earth when he needed a planet busting move to kill Cell
>Cell would have blown up the Earth had Gohan not cancelled him out
>Kid Buu blew up the Earth
>Beerus regularly destroys planets and Goku and Vegeta matched him
>Golden Frieza blew up the Earth

At their current levels(ToP) the DBZ characters can effortlessly destroy planets. How can you argue against this?

The first won't work- Goku is practically asexual. He had to be taught by Chi-Chi what sex was and it seems pretty unlikely seduction will work for him.

With Rogue, that's basically him for Captain Ginyru all over again. Rogue will only be a low level base Saiyan, she won't know how to use his powers as effectively.

I don't think you understand the logic of power levels dude. Golden Frieza's attack was enough to kill him at his current level. This does not negate the fact he was planet busting level when he debuted.

>thought Goku was actually going to destroy the planet
Why would he care?

>Toriyama's name
Oh, you mean the guy who provides loose outlines of general plot and does little to no writing personally, and forgot SS2 even exited? Yeah, HIS word on what's canon is 100% reliable.

>suffocated
I swear to God, will you retards stop trying to use arguments I ALREADY DEFEATED in the posts you reply to?

It's not the fact the planet was destroyed, it was the fact that Frieza's attack killed him.

Kid Buu blew up a bunch of stars in the anime too.

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the least of a chance out of them all

>At their current levels(ToP) the DBZ characters can effortlessly destroy planets. How can you argue against this?
Because Vegeta died to a planet level attack while in SSB. I already talked about this.

I don;t think you understand that power levels were added to show power levels were a stupid idea to begin with. The numbers exist to show trying to assign a number is a retarded idea.

Why y'all trying to approach DBZ power scaling logically, it's always been pretty fucky. Goku's energy projection might be powerful enough to destroy a solar system, but physically he's a chump compared to someone like Hulk or Thor

Except when Rogue touches people, they go into comas.

Frieza's attack didn't even hit him dumbass, it hit the planet.

This is why DBZ makes no sense/sucks

>Why would he care?
Because it wasn't something he was expecting. And would also end their fun fight prematurely.
>Oh, you mean the guy who provides loose outlines of general plot and does little to no writing personally, and forgot SS2 even exited? Yeah, HIS word on what's canon is 100% reliable.
Considering he wrote the series, yeah. It's either him or the people who actually own the IP, which is Shueisha. The company that wrote and printed the book. Pretty incontrovertible.
> I ALREADY DEFEATED
You really didn't refute anything, you just made shit up ("he didn't find them so therefore he had to have died in an explosion") while also ignoring the fact that it was explicitly shown that an exploding planet is harmless to much weaker characters.

>Because Vegeta died to a planet level attack while in SSB. I already talked about this.

He died to Frieza's attack which happened to be a planet buster. This does not negate the fact he almost destroyed a planet back in the Saiyan Saga.

>Goku's energy projection might be powerful enough to destroy a solar system, but physically he's a chump compared to someone like Hulk or Thor
There's no difference. His fists and his energy beams use literally the exact same source of power and deal damage to his foes at exactly the same frequency.

Frieza attacked the entire planet which Vegeta was caught in.

How does it not make any sense? The protagonists get stronger over time. It's simple shit.

>Vegeta almost blew up Earth with Galick Gun
>Vegeta almost blew up Earth with Final Flash
>Goku had to teleport to avoid hitting Earth when he needed a planet busting move to kill Cell
None of this examples are of planet busters since they in fact did not destroy any planet.

>"He died to a planet busting attack so that means he isn't a planet buster"

What kind of fucktard logic is that? That's like saying I can't break a wodden bat because someone can pick up a wodden bat and beat me with it.

It makes considerably more sense than most superhero comics, mostly because it's written by one author. At the very least, there's a firmly established power hierarchy. A clearly established planet buster will never job to someone who's clearly established as vulnerable to bullets. There's no Deathstroke > Flash situations. The most common logical criticism I see levied is that the collateral from their fights doesn't make sense with their established energy output, but that's the case for literally all superhero fiction. Literally, every one. Completely physically-accurate fights would be pretty much untenable.

Ok I'm done arguing with you dude. You got backed into a corner and now want to resort to playing stupid.

I guess it's not related except that by your logic the people we're pitting DBZ against are now city block tier which is blatantly untrue.

Then why was everyone who witnessed those attacks afraid of the planet being destroyed?

Not even him, but you're stupid if you think any of those are examples of being a planet buster, when they didn't even destroy a planet to begin with.

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You mean like Tein shit golden bricks when Goku was going SSJ3 for the first time, and fucking nothing happened to the planet? It called hyping shit up, DBZ does it all of the time.

>thump thump thump thump
This really gets my engine going.

>Because it wasn't something he was expecting.
He was standing there talking about it! At that point the element of surprise is gone.

>he wrote the series
And doesn't remember important parts of it, an doesn't write for it anymore.

>didn't refute anything
I've refuted everything you morons have thrown at me so far.

And if he had been planet level years ago, SSB should have made him immune to that level of effect. Try to keep up.

And Vegeta died.

Some of the people in OP's pic, sure. But then there's Thor, who defeated ten thousand fused gods. How many gods has Goku defeated? Oh right, none. And it has nothing to do with the fact that to this day, most DBZ characters aren't planet level.

I won't spoil One Piece but right now in the manga Luffy could probably beat Kenshiro.

this
who the fuck knows if any of those previous planet-bursting claims were even true?
Majin Vegeta used all of his energy to blow himself up with Buu and all he caused was a big crater

>Silver Surfer is actually a relative weakling

Sup Forums.... reads comics... heh

>Goku stopped Galicik Gun
>Vegeta purposely missed the planet with Final Flash
>Goku teleported and fired his blast up to avoid hitting the planet

Fucking idiot no shit they didn't destroy a planet.

May use him instead of Pentagon then
he was just a minor Kinnikuman opponent anyway
(albeit one with an awesome gimmick and theme song)
youtube.com/watch?v=6lF1NnhATvo

Goku, as he currently exists in Super, would win 1v1 against pretty much every Earth based Marvel superhero.
Marvel's power levels are significantly lower than DC's on average. The only ones who'd give him any major issues are Thor, who canonically holds back most of his power when fighting mortals, and high level spellcasters like Strange and Doom.

However if they all ganged up on him, Goku would eventually lose. It wouldn't be easy and he'd still take out a lot of the weaker heroes, but the powerhouses like Thor and Hulk working in tandem would be too much.

However if you wanted this to be a Z Fighters vs the Marvel universe scenario, Z Fighters take it every time between the saiyans, the androids, Buu, and Piccolo most can't do anything. Krillin and Tien are no slouches either, even if one continuously jobs and the other never really gets to do anything because lol saiyans.

DBZ generally makes no sense

You just destroyed your own argument.