Is there any redemption for Game of Thrones? is it possible for season 8 to restore the credibility of the series?

Is there any redemption for Game of Thrones? is it possible for season 8 to restore the credibility of the series?

What can the show possibly do to fix itself?

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>What can the show possibly do to fix itself?
End.

To fix itself, huh? How long will it take to destroy all copies of season 7, claim it's not canon, then never film another episode?

>season 7
The show sucked balls since season 5.

>5
I think you mean 2

No 5, you fucking edgy faggot.

If you think if was good beyond 3, you have objective shit taste.

>credibility
Game of Plebs was literally just known for letting epic random deaths and titties.

The plot was too complicated for you, clearly.

no

couldnt make it past the first episode

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This makes no sense.

The show was at its best seasons 1-3. 4-5 got a little shaky, but it was still great, ignoring some contrivances. Season 6-7 is when it went to shit.

>still great
The same way that fireworks are great. it looks good but that's it.

In other words: If you think people were only watching the show for "random deaths and titties", then you expose yourself as being unable to comprehend the events of the show.

Bring back The Mannis, actually get the character right this time, and have him win the whole show.

Let me guess, you hate the Sand Snakes. It always comes down to the Sand Snakes. The GoT fanbase acts as though the Sand Snakes warged their father and raped their mother, while forcing them to hold the door.

Agreed. Some quality acting from Cersei and Jaime has been carrying the show for me. rip Stannis

no, you're just a normie faggot

Fuck off.
>plot contrivances
>unrealistic bullshit (Arya in Braavos)
>nonsensical bullshit (Arya's Faceless Man arc)
>characters acting out of character
>terrible dialogue
>terrible acting (Emilia Clarke, Kit Harrington, Peter Dinklage)
>shoehorning in le shock deaths (Barristan)

I fucking hate GRRM but the show's quality declines everytime they have to, or insist on, writing new material. Game of Thrones is fucking normie-bait trash and if you cant accept that you're in denial.

It's impossible. The show was at its best when it was about knights, castles and plotting. Now it's become another 'we need to stop the evil big bad guy from taking over the world' story.

And kill all men in the process

While also pretending that Dany is any different from her father

That was the most bullshit normie reasoning for how nonsensically CIA was written out. That now's the time for battle, and no time for scheming, when the real reason is that D&D have no idea how to write a character like CIA. It's gone from being a thinking man's soap opera in season 1, to Marvel-tier pleb garbage in season 7.

>>plot contrivances
Too vague for me to comment on.

>>unrealistic bullshit (Arya in Braavos)
Arya's plot was fine until season 6, when they failed to have it pay off.

>>nonsensical bullshit (Arya's Faceless Man arc)
You're just restating a point. Pretty redundant. Just fluffing up your list trying to make it look bigger.

>>characters acting out of character
Which ones?

>>terrible dialogue
Example?

>>terrible acting (Emilia Clarke, Kit Harrington, Peter Dinklage)
Emilian and Kit were poor actors from season 1. Kit is actually getting better as the season goes on. His character is getting written worse though. That's out of the actor's control. Peter is doing what he's always done.

>>shoehorning in le shock deaths (Barristan)
Barristan's roll in the book only served to give exposition for characters in Daenerys's absence. To know what's happening with Hizdahr, Skahaz, and Quentyn. All of whom, are absent from the show, or killed off. And for good reason. The show can't afford to deal with those plot threads. So Barriston's contribution to the plot was not significant.

Better be a normie than edgy neckbeard 4channer aka you.

A two hour long, extremely explicit sex scene between NCW and Carice should do it. Mainly focusing on NCW

This is the most reddit thing I've seen in the past month

Would this suffice?
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Isn't it already obvious where they are going with the story. They are all gonna team up to defeat the army of the dead. Woah, intesne

Please, tell us what Reddit is like.

Kinda defeats the purpose of the title of the show.

>Dinklage
>terrible

He is one of the only consistent actors on the show though.

What if they don't do that?

The shows fucking shit. Martins a fat lazy fuck. And your a faggot. The show descended into a power fantasy for wet blanket males and bleeding twats

There's only one season left, of course they will.

What else would they do? They are obviously too pussy to kill anyone off anymore. Night King is obviously going to lose, I really don't know what other amazing things can happen in a final season that's not even going to be 10 episodes

>that fucking scene where Jaime has a menstrual blood covered semi while his father is disowning him
Pure /kino/.

Consistent in the fact that he panders to your expectations for his shit tier speeches and drunken exposition.

But *what if* they don't do that? You see, it's a hypothetical question. A thought exercise. Wouldn't that defy your expectations? Wouldn't that be a redemptive move to make?

>shit tier speeches

Which speeches annoyed you?
Are you sure you just don't hate Peter friendo?

I still have no clue why 4 gets any shit.

It reads like your fucking faggoty post. Like word for fucking word. I used to go on that shit years ago when they nearly bagged the wrong sand nig for boston. Posts read like your original post.
>Say naughty harsh words for the lol
>be a faggot and value shitty storylines
>come full circle with lol so randumb reference
Redditors posts are so hungry for approval, you can spot a true reddit faggot a mile away

Then it won't be a satisfying conclusion for the millions of normies who have tuned in since 2011. Given what they have done with 7 it seems like the writers are too afraid to take any risks now, that's probably why everyone thinks 8 will be crap.

Well everyone thinks Cersei will eventually team up, but I don't think that's the case. She'll die on the throne. I think Jamie is going to recruit half the Lannister army, before marching North, leaving Cercei even weaker than before.

And we really don't know what the Night King intends to do. Is he simply thinking to roll across the land and kill everything in his path? It's safe to assume he has no greater motives now, because we haven't seen any of his motives. But that doesn't make it so.

Also, even if they do kill him, he's not necessarily the cause of winter. So the story could still end in the long night.
All the big deaths will be happening next season, since this is the last hurrah, and all the contracts are fulfilled. Everyone is disposable.

So subversive, 10/10.

>Is there any redemption for Game of Thrones? is it possible for season 8 to restore the credibility of the series?
No
>What can the show possibly do to fix itself?
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I suspect the ending GRRM gives us will be totally different to the shit HBO shoves down our throat.

Interesting thing about D&D is that they seem to take everything characters think in the books as absolute truth. So when Cersei thinks of herself Tywin with tits, that's what the show portrays her to be. When Tyrion thinks about how much of a pure, martyr saint he is for only molesting a 12 year old instead of raping her, the show goes on to make him the most moral man in the universe. With that in mind, the idea that Cersei would help her enemies to defeat a greater evil after their forces have been spent isn't that unlikely. It is more or less what Tywin did during the rebellion. Swooping in to "help" when the war is all but won. Cersei joining forces with Jon and Dany after they and the NK are weakened and unable to oppose her sounds like logical, Tywin like move.

>your

Yes. Fuck midgets.

Oh that's rich. So you're a self-hating redditor. Well I'm not a redditor at all. So your radar needs some tuning. What's also funny, is that you claim I'm using harsh words for the lol, when you randomly use terms like "sand nig". Like calling people from the middle east sand niggers is funny to you?
What was the edgy word I used? Rape? That was inside of a context, which you seem to not understand. I was illustrating the point that people over dramatize, by using an over dramatization. It's supposed to make you think "well that's just over the top and stupid. Because that's how I feel about people's criticisms regarding the seasons with Sand Snakes.

So you see, I wasn't valuing shitty storylines. I was making the point, that despite the Sand Snake storyline being shitty, people are overextending it's shittiness, by judging the entire season on them.

The hold the door reference wasn't random. It was meant to illustrate how completely traumatized people are by the sand snakes. Again, being so overly dramatic about the sand Snakes, that it's as if you felt the suffering Hodor felt in that moment.

You simply didn't get my meaning, and then blurted reddit like a tourette's tick.

i dont think it can be fixed but it could still do something cool like have jamie be azor ahai have deanerys be the "secret" bad guy all along and have the night king win or have the night king losing actually be a bad thing or something with bran and time traveling and fucking everything up, theres room for a good grey morality ending that can make you reflect back on the overall series as something decent despite the drop in quality over time. even if they do an ending actually interesting and worthy of the beginning ideas of the series its only got what 6 episodes left? so to tie up all the lose ends it'll have to feel rushed at best.

that said its way more likely with how things are going and how far they are straying from where the books are going it'll just end with a semi happy ending about beating the evilness but oh no one of them dies the end. which sucks cause the series never felt like it was about a big team up to defeat the great evil but rather questioning good and evil itself.

This reads like a pompous redditor faggot's post.

>Is there any redemption for Game of Thrones?
No.

That's why people watch it post season 3 because there is no story beyond typical cliches and sci fi/fantasy tropes.

You clearly post on reddit.

>Which speeches annoyed you?

There's a scene (I think it was when Oor Jonneh met that tiresome cow Daenerys) in which Missandei has the unenviable task of impressing on him how he STANDS IN THE PRESENCE OF DAENERYS STORMBORN and enumerates all her other windbaggy titles, which takes so long it's as bad as a speech. Which surprised me because I've always thought well of Missandei.

>Interesting thing about D&D is that they seem to take everything characters think in the books as absolute truth.

That's an interesting point and one that hadn't occurred to me.

>So when Cersei thinks of herself Tywin with tits, that's what the show portrays her to be.
Do they though? By making mistakes, making enemies, getting her children killed, and being hated?

>When Tyrion thinks about how much of a pure, martyr saint he is for only molesting a 12 year old instead of raping her,
He never thinks himself a martyr, and in fact is disgusted by his desires for her. And I don't see how Book and show Tyrion differ significantly in terms of moral disposition. What has Show Tyrion done that Book Tyrion wouldn't? Or vice versa?

I'm not putting it beyond the writers to have Cersei swoop in at the last moment. But I disagree with the reasoning behind that move. And I'm more interested in entertaining good ideas, not bad ones. We can sit here and moan about how the writers suck, and they'll never do anything interesting. But what if they DID do something interesting?

The show officially jumped the shark when Jon bent the knee to Dany.

I still enjoy it. If you don't, you can always watch something else.

Remember how they started pandering to well known but unconfirmed fan theories? The show is literally written by reddit.

>Two words sound alike
>Typo
>"HAHA, wow, how do you not know the difference between the words, moron?!"

Such as?

I bet you thought this was a clever come back.

Interesting read.
Nope. It's only downhill from here.

I don't see you denying it

>that said its way more likely with how things are going and how far they are straying from where the books are going it'll just end with a semi happy ending about beating the evilness but oh no one of them dies the end. which sucks cause the series never felt like it was about a big team up to defeat the great evil but rather questioning good and evil itself.
I'm not convinced this will be the case. I think it's a far too easy assumption to make. A lot of people get off on feeling like they're smarter than the writers. So this is the immediate conclusion they jump to, in order to assert their superior sensibilities. But I think, that because it's such an easy assumption to make, they've been setting up our expectations for two season now, and they're going to dash them all with one or two of those "cool" ideas you listed.

So you haven't read them then.
Anything that was ever remotely ambiguous in the books but clarified as a definite on reddit has been in the show. So many things that being to it starts to become ridiculous.

>Cersei
None of her goddamn choices have had any real harm to her. She's literally hated by every kingdom except the Trident and yet she can sack Highgarden which conveniently can pay off Robert, Joffery and Tommen's debts.

Kids are dead? She's already got another incest abomination in her and literally no one is against it despite it now being open that their "Queen" fucks her brother.

No revolt of the peasants and nobles despite her fucking blowing up the Fantasy Vatican with the Pope and important nobles from every house including her own. And it's no goddamn secret, fucking Hot Pie knew Cersei did it.

>haha le don't watch if don't enjoy it just turn ur brain off XD
Peasant

I honestly don't remember season 5 or 6.
I wish I could actually remember shows I watch instead of it all just blurring.

Just skimming those posts, I'm catching bullshit line after bullshit line. It's too damn long to read. But I get the sense that this person is just trying a very round about way of passing his subjective dislike for the books as objective observations.

The fact that he's a touhou fan is a huge red flag.

Nothing happened. There is no story basic tropes.

>incest
>FAS

Probably they'll call it "Tywin".

there arent enough episodes left for it to be restored to its former glory. theres just no way without rushing the whole thing

You didn't miss much, honestly. 5 is easy to forget, it's probably the worst season

My opinion of the show should not affect your enjoyment of it. But if you do find yourself enjoying the show any less due to my displeasure, then help yourself and stop reading this thread.

>he didn't read the leaks

Eh I'm suspecting it'll be a miscarriage that'll turn her full on Mad Queen to justify Dany burning her alive.

Karmatic stuff where she aborted her unwanted kids all her life and now the one time she needed one most it dies naturally.

I watched the entire show last year and caught up to where they were at the time in S7 so it all feels like one super long story to me. I remember events but not by season.

>Night King is obviously going to lose

he needs more and better propaganda

You don't see much.

>Is there any redemption for Game of Thrones?
no.
>is it possible for season 8 to restore the credibility of the series?
showfags like it. won't change. it'll only have more of the shit you hate, because that's precisely the shit they like.
>What can the show possibly do to fix itself?
fire D&D and start anew. Not happening.
hopefully there's some never-seen-before titties in the last season

TYWIN WANT TO LIVE HEAR ME ROAR

>making mistakes
The only mistake she made was arming the faith because the book plot demanded it to happen. And she mended that one quickly, efficiently, and weirdly without any blowback. In a way which was extremely similar to the Castamere incident, or the Red Wedding.
>making enemies
Tywin had a shitload of enemies. It's impossible not have them when your philosophy is to scorn love and rule through fear.
>getting her children killed
She didn't though.
>and being hated
Tywin was extremely hated but it didn't matter to him, because he didn't want to be loved. Opinions of sheep and all that noise. He hated the idea of being liked due to his father bending over backwards to please everybody. He opted instead to rule through fear and the certainty that he'll go scorched earth on your ass if you ever fall out of line. Even his kids didn't love him. Unlike book Cersei, show Cersei is presented as icy, calculated, calm, and intelligent. Much like Tywin was. She is completely different from her impulsive, delusional, hotheaded book counterpart who can't go for two seconds without publicly slapping somebody or falling into mouth foaming hysterics.
>He never thinks himself a martyr
He does though. All the time. He fucked over a good amount of people who were testifying against him, and he thinks they're all doing it just because he is a dwarf. He is desperate to be praised for what a good job he's doing and is extremely put off and spiteful when he doesn't get it, again, blaming it on discrimination. He doesn't want to want Sansa, sure. But he still gets annoyed with her for being cold and not wanting him even though he is (in his mind) so nice to her.
>Or vice versa?
Rape, feed a murdered man to poor people, burn down a bunch of poor people's houses, provoke someone to go to war on westeros out of spite, kidnap his nephew and consider killing him, poison his sister, plot to rape his sister, hit his girlfriend... There's a lot.

Did anyone save the 'leaked' story outline from that thread months ago?

How does the lack of consequences for her actions maker her "Tywin with tits"?
She managed to pay off the bank, sure. But she's weak. She's about to buy a company of sellswords. And Tywin was reserved enough to know that he can rule under the king, rather than sit the throne himself. If they're trying to make her Tywin with tits, then they're going about it all wrong.

haha upvoted XD!!

>Reddit spacing

I still enjoy it but it's fun to read these threads because the show definitely isn't flawless.

The end result is what matters and read what you just posted. Despite debt having always been a problem for 3 regimes she manages not only to pay the debt, but also have enough to hire the most famous and expensive 10,000 strong sellsword army.

Kill everyone

I do get what you're saying, but I have to agree with the other guy.
Nothing topped Season 1.
The second didn't even come close, but it wasn't actually bad. It felt more like a low point. The thing is, it never recovered.
So yeah, it went to shit at S2. S5 was just a breaking point.

Any chance that when show Golden Company lands in Westeros they'll break their oath about never breaking a contract and sack KL to put Dany on the throne?

I mean they're backing Young Griff in the books.

>And she mended that one quickly, efficiently, and weirdly without any blowback.
It was quick and efficient, because she made a public display that would normally have turned her people against her. Whereas Tywin would at least has been discreet, as to not alarm the smallfolk. It's true he didn't want to be loved. But he also didn't want to create any unnecessary risks. And that means keeping people placated. Tywin keeps his hands clean, and has other people do the dirty work. Like how the Mountain was to blame for his crimes, instead of Tywin himself. He diverts responsibility like that. Cersei takes all the blame and responsibility for her actions.

Tywin also operates on a strict need to know basis. Which is how her managed to pull off the red wedding. Being sure to leave all unneeded parties in the dark. Even to the point where no one knew he fucked whores.
Meanwhile, Cersei openly fornicates with her brother.

Tywin didn't squander good alliances like highgarden. Unlike Cersei, who did everything in their power to fuck them over.

>Unlike book Cersei, show Cersei is presented as icy, calculated, calm, and intelligent.
Book Cersei carries herself in the same manner. On the outside, she presents herself as the perfect queen. It's all the inner dialog, and behind closed doors scenes where she reveals her lunacy. Same with the show, except we don't get to hear her inner dialog in the show.

HBO used to fucking DOMINATE when it came to slow paced character driven drama and the ironic thing is that when they get handed a property with plenty of it they decided to focus on the action to the detriment of the internal consistency of the world and to the development of the characters.

A lot of people hate AFFC and ADWD but those are honestly the closest the series could have gotten to something like The Sopranos or Six Feet Under where the character development and exploration of themes command the narrative more than action. And they fucked that up by continuing to beef up or invent action scenes for no fucking reason. And what action is taken straight from the books they managed to fuck up. in ADWD Daenerys has made concession after concession to rule Slaver's Bay, from the way she dresses, speaks, behaves and even who she sleeps with and right when she gives up the idea that she will ever have control of her life Drogon shows up and seeing the being that represents her own power, ambition and potential destroying her hardwon, albeit tentative, peace she shuts his bullshit down. She jumps into the pit and grabs a whip until he submits to her, until she isn't afraid of what he represents anymore, her own ferocity and inner strength. When Drogon is wounded she tries to pull a spear from his back and ends up flying for the first time fully in control because she understands him and herself for the first time, she realizes that dragons move towards conflict and danger because its in their nature and is realizing that its in hers as well.

In the show shes just like, I guess im gonna jump on his back now, hey look we're flying. Wow.

This is just one of the interactions that physically happens in the show at its core but they completely fucked up the setup and execution so it makes no sense. She hops and and for some reason she can fly him now.

I feel like bitching about this endlessly for hours now