Why are American female comic artists/cartoonists cancer when Japanese female comic artists/cartoonists are good?

Why are American female comic artists/cartoonists cancer when Japanese female comic artists/cartoonists are good?

Living in America makes you a little dumb by default. Must be the air or the water.

Cape comics in general set the bar at delivery speed rather than quality and their monopoly status means they aren't getting their shit slapped by the Invisible Hand when they're being dumb.

>delivery speed

That's the same with manga though. They're tied to monthly or even weekly restrictions as well. And it goes on for years for some.

I recommend Dungeon Meshi to everyone, even on Sup Forums.

Japanese focus on delivery speed too.
It's just that in their case, they're making themselves fit into the schedule, not the schedule having to deal with them.

Western women arent interested in cape crap which is the mainstream. Japanese women grew up with kino shoujo.

Is something being done by a woman a selling point in Japan?

Lack of politics and trying not to denigrate their audience with bullahit most of the time; they're just trying to write a story.

And on a side note if you're not versed Japanese naming conventions it can be tricky to tell who is male or female so you may end up surprised at who writes what.

Woman in general? Pfft no. The fujoshi market is huge there.

>That's the same with manga though.

Yeah, but they have a "We will drop you within two to four weeks if our readers don't like this shit"-policy and clear, published and publically accessible editorial guidelines that inform the content of each magazine. They'll also actually drop series for good and not touch them ever again and their editors aren't exclusively hired on Bizarro Earth, so they try to do their jobs in a Non-Bizarro Earth way.

It is an extremely good comic. It is a shame OP used it to start such a shit thread.

>Be Woman in Japan in the 1970s
>Get into male dominated industry in an actual misogynist society
>Just work hard and make sensible choices
>Become one of the richest people in the country

>Be Woman in America in 2010s
>Entire society will destroy anyone who says bad things about you.
>Whine and draw art worst than webcomics
>Complain that it's misogyny holding you back.

Does Sup Forums have any good legal shotas.

This. There's no virtue signalling. Oh they'll pander to audiences down to very niche ones and that includes political pandering, but they won't suddenly place their entire output to one single ideological aim.

The otaku industry in Japan has pretty damn good gender diversity, even drawn porn has loads of female authors and not just for the gay stuff.

the author gender doesnt really matter. I do feel females avoid inserting stereotype characters/scenarios more often than males.

When it comes to manga, not really.

There's a really good split of audiences for it there due to the sheer amount of it, since it's a mainstream media, unlike how comics are in the west. Everyone from excitable little girls to the tired salarymen reads manga there.

japan has a higher IQ than america. The real question is why hasn't china over taken america in animation yet?

America doesn't really have animators anymore outside of Disney. It has production teams, writers, designers, story boarders, but not actual animators.

Ataru is, and always will be, best harem protagonist.

Although that is not saying a lot seeing what he's up against.

The Tenshi-family line, user.

>when Japanese female comic artists/cartoonists are good
As usual, people let the language and publishing barrier obscure their vision of the general quality of Japanese comics. In order for the great, unwashed, EOP masses to even have chance at reading a manga, it has to be translated. This either means a scanlation team took it up or a publishing house did. Either means a filtering process for what scanlators were interested in or what the publishing house thought would sell. Sometimes, with the bigger scanlation teams, the latter also matters, though replace "sell" with "engorge their epeen."

Which means, ultimately, you're seeing the better series even with all the truly dumb shit that makes it through. You can get a glimpse of the dumb fucking shit most people don't see when it involves the fetishes the scanlators like, in either the isekai or yaoi or whatever genres. Then you get hilarious fapbait and terrible fucking art and general crimes against any sort of passable stories for all demographics. Kui Ryoko is an outlier among female creators in Japan, and frankly creators in general. Go read her anthologies, they're a blast.

This isn't to say that it's not true that the Japanese industry isn't free of the shit Sup Forums bitches about. The industry is incredibly apolitical at large in either direction and the weird internet personality culture that's popped up recently. However, it does have it's own problems and it's not like it's not free of its own censorship mores. Editorial mandated bullshit is actually more prevalent than you might expect. If there's ever some sort of cute mascot or worse girl wins, you can usually thank editorial. Marketability is always factor in the larger magazines. Not to mention the usually discussed near slave labor hours most have to work to keep up. The grass is always greener.

Anyway, story time.

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in japan the female artists aren't pampered self entitled bitches, they have to work hard, very fucking hard to stay in the business,that is much more competitive in japan than in US of Ameribacon

>Why are American comic artists/cartoonists cancer when Japanese comic artists/cartoonists are good?

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It's kinda like asking about the stereotype of why asians are good at math etc

It's not necessarily true, but a lot of it comes down to the culture's work ethic.

That fucker never kis- oh wait he did.

There are probably just as many bad and cancerous japanese female artists. It's just due to how few mangas are good/popular enough to get overseas exposure and publishing that it seems there is a larger number of good japanese female artists than american.

Example of "mainstream" bad manga made by a woman: Katekyo Hitman Reborn (also notable in being quite misogynistic when you look into it)

Yeah you summed it up better, also thanks for the storytime!

The fact that there are so many female artists/writers/assistants/etc in the industry is also another sign. When you think of it, the comics industry in the US is actually really, really small.

Yeah the manga industry is insanely huge and demanding.

I had the damnedest time figuring out what sex Chilchack was in the manga.

Really? He seemed pretty obviously male right off the bat, but maybe that's just me.

Women from all walks of life are attracted to Manga in Japan. Allowing for an endless variety of approaches to art and story.

Western women into comics tend to be "that" type of le quirky reddit/tumblr girl.

Idk, but Kaoru Moro and Hiromu Arakawa are goat
Honorable mention for the author of Nana, that shit was delicious trash

It's probably because the first thing they do when balancing the budget is cut education spending.

Most female characters in manga are shit though.

Most characters in comics are shit. By sheer volume of work, there are more better female characters in Jap comics than US comics just due to how much stuff is published.

This is godly.

Why's she so great, man?

Fuck outta here boy

Agreed.

To be quite honest, the way cape comics are written seems to homogenize the personalities of its characters, especially the female ones. There's this whole blob of female cape characters that appear in tons of books I've read, but appear to have no real personalities. They're interchangeable and incredibly boring.

idk. But need to say FMA and Mushishi are my favourites and created by women.

Mushishi is god tier.

Nobody gives a fuck if you're a girl who likes manga. Everybody likes manga, or at least, it's the norm in japan. It's not a question of whether you've read manga or not, it's a question of which ones you liked and what kinds are your preference. Gender never came into the question to begin with, so a chick picking up a pen and making a new japanese comic isn't worth batting an eyelash for.

Western comics are different, they never caught on in the same way, and only a portion of the population reads them. That means, through some circular logic, that it's 'exclusive'. Only certain people can acceptably read them, and only certain people can acceptably make them. Turns out, for whatever reason, comics are more popular with guys, or at least they make up a more vocal majority, so they tend to fall into both of these categories more often.

For some reason, a long while back, comics in america became a 'boy thing' for a short time and it just snowballed from there. Comics in japan were as universally accepted as television from the get-go, so the workforce -and the biases surrounding it- developed differently. Being a female cartoonist in america is more volatile -for better or worse- than in japan as a result.

well, comics is pretty much just DC, Marvel, Image, Dynamite, Darkhorse, Vertigo and a few others.

Fucking Japan man, they have SHIT TONS of manga tanks out for every genre and every age group for that genre. there is NO WAY that the US would stack up to it. also that manga is pretty much read by everyone and not just a certain group like comics are over here.

Reminder that Hero Academia does Xmen better than the Xmen comics

maybe MHA should fucking have near 60 years of stories with god knows how many timelines and shit. lets see how well it does superheroes THEN!

Because you touch yourself at night.

>There's no virtue signalling

user, they made a show about Romans repatedly saying how awesome japanese culture is in every single episode, and Thermae Roma isn't even the most obvious case of virtue signalling.

Hero academia is a generic Battle shounen,is not really very original.

My Naruto Academia is not better than any X-Men runs of significance.

Thermae Roma is really great though.

True and the focus of the comic is really not particularly on the worldbuilding, but it's Good Shounen because it puts you closely in touch with the highly charged emotional states of its characters. That's what shounen should do. The pace is good and the moments of big action have a great feeling of empathy too - it's not exactly what X-Men is but there's a market for an X-Men book like that I have no doubt. It does teen superhero action superbly well.

Comics are dominated by capeshit due to the comics code. It's widely known that young boys prefer stories about action & adventures than young girls, who prefer stories about socializing & romance.

As a result, little boys in the 50's through the 70's/part of the 80's were the only real comic consumers. Then boys almost entirely lost interest in comic books due to newer (and more accessible) forms of media & entertainment. Leaving only a niche of older guys nostalgic about their childhoods to read them.

BnHA is basically House of M universe except humans were phased out quickly enough that it never became a big issue how a major portion of the population had no powers.

I was a bitter hater until reading the manga. It's like Magneto's wet dream.

japan has doujinshi culture which teaches aspiring comic artists how to divide the workload among specialists; the inker how to ink, the beta how to beta, the penciler how to pencil, etc etc.
all america has webcomic culture, where there are no standards, barely anybody has any clue what they are doing, and since its usually one person doing everything they struggle to pick a specific technique they want to improve and stick with it until they actually get better

GATE is a masturbatory right wing Japanese fantasy, but that's part of the appeal. It's cute.

>tee hee fantasy gaijin, I teach you the glory of modern yamato damashii

I agree with the second half of your statement but NOT the first. Manga is infamous for near sweatshop like conditiosn.

And this seems more correct. If you're the Japanese equivalent of Faith or Mockingbird, you aren't going to stay in the Shonen Jump anthology based on your political views, if you can't move the needle on the reader polls as well.

That's true. There's definitely a sense of progression with doujinshi where you have the full range from total dogshit to published quality, whereas with webcomics you have 99% unreadable shit and 1% basically professional.

China lost a HUGE amount of their mojo with the cultural revolution. They destroyed all their infrastructure and expertise. And any great artist isn't going to want to stay in China, because of the political risk.

The difference is that manga often have simplified backgrounds and almost never color. Having to do the extra steps for American comics take more time.

The worldbuilding is alright, it's not overdone. I like how being a hero is just some work you've got to learn in school. It's very different of the American mindset and its boner for vigilantism. and if you support the federal government you're basically Hitler.
That sort of cultural diversity is why I read American, European and Japanese comics.

>have near 60 years of stories with god knows how many timelines and shit
Maybe that is exactly their mistake. It became too convoluted

Yuri on Ice

>China lost a HUGE amount of their mojo with the cultural revolution.

There's also the issue that everything they actually want to make will have their parents billed for a bullet sooner or later.

The whole Yamamoto Sayo thing is less being done by a women and more by someone who's passionate about Skating. She's done a good number of nods to it in her works, like the Persona 5 OP for example.

There have been a good number of female showrunners in anime as well, not to the amount of men sure, but still just as well-known. Okada Mari, Matsumoto Rie, Yamada Naoko, etc.

Time travel stories are basically verboten in China. It might give Lu Xing unacceptable ideas.

Are you the same user who yesterday posting about "Why don't American comics have more variety like manga? It's all superheroes repeating the same story over and over."

If so, ya need to pace yourself more.

>American female artists aren't good.

Is there a master list of EVERYTHING that's unnaceptable in China?

Just off the top of my head:

Ghost Stories/ the undead.
Tibet.
Taiwan
Japanese as anything other than oppressors.
Freedom fighters that aren't Mao or the Boxer Rebellion.
Time Travel.
Anything that isn't all ages.
Anything that promotes supersticion.
Any part of Chinese history that makes china look bad.
Making the millitary, the police, or the chicom party look bad.
Drug abuse
all horror movies

And these rules apply to other movies from your studio. If you put out a tibetan movie, the rest of the stable gets the boot as well.

That thing looks like a man

Winnie the Pooh is banned for being a meme on Chinese internet

There was a movie about Confucius that got edited to portray widespread slavery in order to fit the Marxist narrative about history

Why must you lie?

Better, I was just being honest. Female capeshit characters look like they have more testosterone than me.

Not really the biggest fan of being a hero becoming some kind of competition where everyone is obsessed with ranking like other shonen.

It's a shame her work is so boring.

Well we are a bunch of losers and nerds on the internet. It wouldn't be hard to be tougher looking or manlier than us.

What about Canadian artists?

Yamato Damashii is a pivotal aspect of Japanese culture. It cannot be separated from shounen. I personally think it complements the narrative.

Japanese boys learn about the importance of striving to do their best, and conforming socially. That is "rising" to the level of the badguy or rivals so they can compete as social equals someday.

One comic by one author.

I'm not a cuck though

That's called identifying a niche and pandering to it in specific cases; GATE exists alongside left leaning manga that promotes peaceful co-existence, alongside manga showing Japanese war crimes, against sci-fi utopian comics, etc.

Unlike DC and Marvel which pander to an internationalist social democratic ideology and little else.

Well duh. Mangaka tell THEIR personal stories and then move on. They don't puppeteer the corpses of 70 year old franchise zombies.

That not how cuckolding works.

Clearly OP hates all things from North and South America, including Canada.
Otherwise they would have specified as U.S. instead of American.

Reminder that MHA is another dime a dozen meme anime like Kill la Kill or JoJo with nothing special about it aside from annoying faggot fans.

Don`t forget your ancestor`s plight!
REMOVE MOLES!

And yet, it outsells everything but One Piece. Money talks, bullshit walks.

If money talked accurately, Minions would have been a flop and Laika would have gotten an Oscar by now.

Thats Sena Takeda's art. Monstress is a North American book, but she is Japanese/

I know I was checking it OP would bash ANYTHING I posted and would turn around with a "HAHA but that one was JAPANESE".
Luckily they didn't take the bait and instead the thread has been fairly reasonable.

People wanted more of Minions because it appealed to more people than Laika. That's how capitalism works. And besides

>Oscars
>Anything but a fixed circlejerk by liberal virtue signalers

The moles are just a smokescreen for the duplicitous lapine and their lies! NEVER FORGET THE CHAINS!

Art aside, are there any genuinely great female comic writers?

I notice that Manga almost always deals with racism using metaphors or fictional worlds.
I've yet to see a Manga just outright acknolwedge the fact that Japan itself is pretty racist towards Koreans and others.