Why do you only have problems with Mary Sues when they are females...

Why do you only have problems with Mary Sues when they are females? All the male main characters of movie franchises are Ryan Craigs and no one ever complains about them.

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Because by definition a mary sue can only be female. The male equivalent is a gary stu.

Fucking roasted. Hahaaaa

>Ryan Craigs
Jesus Christ 10/10 bait it’s like you’re really a Jezebel journalist

She really does look like the Xenomorph

Because James Bond wasn't created to push a male agenda. People only shit on Rey because she destroys any sense of internal consistency in Star Wars by immediately being far superior to Luke and Anakin. You can tell the creators were so eager to have a strong female hero for the new trilogy that they decided to bypass any sense of actual development.

Because women are frail weaklings compared to men.
It's just not believable, on the other hand a strong man is.

I hate her stupid fucking face and smile.

>Why do you only have problems with Mary Sues when they are females?
because she is a woman u stupid fuck

I don't have a problem with Mary Sue's if they are protagonists from a sci-fi fantasy where everything can be explained away as "the Force", but other people are really bothered by that for some reason.

but people had all sorts of problems with Superman and had to invent all sorts of moralfaggotry for him to at least make him somewhat interesting

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Rey is literally Shmi Skywalker made into a Jedi
That's why even despite people claiming she's more like Anakin but she's not. She's truthfully just Shmi dressed up as a Jedi

This.

Mary Sues always seem to have cock envy, they just act like bland non women trying to emulate men, whereas you don't actually see many true male 'Gary Sue' types. The BBC's dire adaptation of Robin Hood was filled with Mary Sues, if you like the type. Robin, Marian, that weird little Pakistani woman they had dress as a boy, the worst TV show in history and the Mary Sue had a huge role to play in that.

The only James Bond that I felt was a "Mary Sue", or the male equivalent of, was Daniel Craig's Bond. The expert hacker shit and shooting down helicopters with pistols was kinda trash.

The previous Bond (all actors played the same character) wasn't really like that. He had gadgets, sure, but really wasn't an expert in anything else aside from shooting guns, drinking, fucking bitches, gambling and skiing. Craig's Bond relied less on gadgets and was just too good at everything.

Yeah, I only really used him as an example because he's the one women always complain about. Plus they ignore the fact that he's a middle aged guy who's been in the military for decades and actually been trained to be good at what he does.

I can live with most of what Rey does in TFA but the mind trick stands out as seeming like really high level Jedi shit that you shouldn't just be able to try for fun. Ironically it was first performed on James Bond.

The only good scenes she has are with Kylo Ren because she actually acts like a somewhat feminine woman in them.

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You could use Superman as an example, people always bitch about him. Depending on who is writing him he just has so many fucking powers it's retarded. In the same thought, Batman when he's in the Justice League. Like how does some dude who by himself has troubles with a dude dressed like a clown all of a sudden gain the ability to become a tactical genius expert combatant who can go toe to toe with super powered aliens. Mother fucker, I just watched you the other day almost get your ass kicked by four dudes with crowbars, now because you know Superman you all of a sudden can stand up to hordes of aliens and fight Darkseid by yourself?

A man without flaws can be suave, funny, and charismatic to make up for it

A woman can (99%) never be funny, and if shes flawless, has no struggles and is too beautiful its just a turn off for men and intimidating / triggers jealousy in women

The galaxy didn't deserve her.

Because Nu-stronk females act like a man, and thats disgusting. Rule63 Jyn Erso and MaReySue changes nothing for their characters. God i hate "progressive" trends.

I'd run a train on her if you know ....

What the fuck is a Ryan Craig?

Because women annoy me

Name one male Mary-sue (Gary-Stu) character in non-capeshit setting.

No James Bond.

>All the male main characters of movie franchises are Ryan Craigs and no one ever complains about them.
Yes they are
Just to be clear, you think that a MarySue/RyanCraig is a admirable character device, or...?

>Ryan Craigs

For the few situations where you aren't just flat-out wrong, it can probably be attributed to the movie in a specific genre that doesn't require growth in the protagonist.

Many James Bond movies, for example, tend to be emphasize style and humor over substance. But notice how Bond is a very distinctive character with a very specific role in the story, that people expect going in. Bond is not a bland blank slate like Rey, and his world is built around him. Every Bond movie comes with a very specific set of tropes, and the entertainment comes from seeing how those tropes appear in each new episode.

Rey is the protagonist in a fantasy adventure in a pre-existing setting. She should not be a flawless blank slate who always saves the day.

There isn't a single man on the planet that lives life on easymode. But for women, that's literally the default.

If you have any problem whatsoever with her looks you are beyond gay and have entered the 7th circle in the 12th dimension of homosexuality

What people ignore most about James Bond is that it's a particular genre that is very different from Star Wars.

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Daisy Ridley looks OK in makeup but is plain and has a boyish figure.

>a flawless blank slate who always saves the day.
nigga did you even see the same movie lol i mean DAMN

>Man has wife
>Wife is murdered
>Man gets revenge for loss of wife, avenges her death, visits her grave every year, tells his daughter Mommy is in Heaven and we'll remember her always

>Woman has husband
>Husband is murdered
>Woman cries for a while, finds a new man, marries him, tells daughter she has a new father now, makes youtube video about overcoming her pain

She's an average slag.

Oh I forgot she pines for her wayward parents. Such a unique and compelling character.

cute

>they decided to bypass any sense of actual development.
This. She's just that good and if you criticize her you are obviously sexist LMAO

Eat shit and die you stupid cunt.
Also the correct term is "Gary Stus" you insufferable nigger.

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Because we had Luke before and he had to train to get shit and even then he got his ass beaten by vader, lost a hand and was gonna be killed by the emperor.
Rey is untouchable for some reason and was able to beat kylo ren when she didn't even knew what the force was two days ago.

Because they usually give some throw away line like "best of his class, three gold medals" that's all we wanted from Rey, some explanation

>Ryan Craig
If you guys don't know what this is referencing, it's from an interview Daisy Ridley had where someone asked about Rey and Mary Sues, she siad it was sexist because there's no such thing as a male mary sue, like "Ryan Craig". All this proves is that she has no idea what the fuck a Mary Sue is and she never bothered to look it up.

>All the male main characters
Because that's a blatantly false statement.

Rocky is a movie about a guy losing a boxing match.
First Blood is a movie about a mentally ill soldier shooting up an innocent town.
Both of these spawned franchises that are among the most "masculine" movie cycles in history.
All in all, women (and comic book nerds) are just bad at understaning how juxtaposition of strength and weakness makes stories much more interesting thatn strength itself.

It's what bewildered feminists who barely understand what a mary sue is to begin and have never heard the term gary stu come up with as whataboutism.

Post TLJ is still seems she still thinks mary sue is a sexist term for women. She's dumb as hell

>Mother fucker, I just watched you the other day almost get your ass kicked by four dudes with crowbars, now because you know Superman you all of a sudden can stand up to hordes of aliens and fight Darkseid by yourself?

Underrated post.

This. I hate her character but I would eat her braps

Because men get shit done irl all the time. The brain doesn't rebel against the notion.

>be rey
>isolated on a desert planet
>have to fend and scavenge for yourself to survive
>implying she wouldn't have dealt with melee combat at least one point in her life

>be luke
>live comfortably with family on desert planet
>just work on droids all day
>'2 weeks training'
>jedi master

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Even the Force has internal logic, and Rey doesn't adhere to it. When you break the rules of an established setting to push a real-life agenda, that's just deplorable.

>Luke
>Son of force jesus
>Had to train
>Got his ass beaten and lost a hand

>Sue
>Can use the force like a master without training or even knowing what it is.

>Something is inside of me, something that has always been there

Yeah, because she totally never had any understanding or suspicion.

Explain how knowing melee combat relates to the Force.

Because, except you're watching a Bollywood movie, it's always a FEMALE because 99% of fanfiction fantasies are written by teenage girls. And these fan fictions aren't supposed to be ported on a feature film, let alone a $200 millions Star Wars movie. Obly a fucking cunt like Kathleen Kennedy, bad secretary turned producer made this happen. Multiple directors have expressed disbelief at how Lucasfilm is ran.

She's still able to do shit that every other Jedi needed years of training to do.
She can beat Kylo Ren and know more about the Falcon than Han, A shitty mary sue.

who is this cutefu?

>Because James Bond wasn't created to push a male agenda.
Bullshit

>People only shit on Rey because she destroys any sense of internal consistency in Star Wars by immediately being far superior to Luke and Anakin.
meh

>You can tell the creators were so eager to have a strong female hero for the new trilogy that they decided to bypass any sense of actual development.
The truth.

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>Something that has always been there.

That's just the Force she's talking about. She's sensitive to the Force.

I don't understand why it's so hard to understand: Rey is derided not because of her ability to sense the Force like both central protagonists before her, but because of her ability to use it so well so quickly after becoming aware of it. She has a colossal amount of power and has been carried by her power through two films. She has never faced any genuine adversity.

>Empire Strikes Back
>"Ben, I can do this, I FEEL the Force."
>"But you can't control it."
>"Bullshitttttttttttt."
>Leave.
>Vader.
>Stuff is flying from the fucking walls.
>Can't keep up at all.
>Hand cut off.
>"Ben help!"
>No help.

>The Force Awakens.
>"Don't leave Rey."
>"Hmph, Kylo Ren is our last hope, never mind how he killed Han Solo."
>"Hell yeah girl, you have the spirit of a TRUE JEDI."
>Snoke tries probing her mind.
>"Hell yeah, girl, you're stronger than I thought!"
>Snoke dies.
>Ray starts taking it TO those pesky red guards, all of whom have presumably been trained to be proficient with their weapons to some degree.
>She even saves Kylo Ren's life.
>Gets into a Force tug of war with Kylo Ren.
>Wins.

And this was after what couldn't have amounted to more than a few days of training.

>Will Smith's Character in Bright
>Gerard Butler in the ____ has fallen movies
>Mark Wahlberg in pretty much everything he's ever been in

Mary Sues are newcomers to stablished franchises who are overpowered to show they are the real deal. Women are the ones filling this role (maybe because they were excluded in first place, but still)

>Rey is derided not because of her ability to sense the Force like both central protagonists before her, but because of her ability to use it so well so quickly after becoming aware of it. She has a colossal amount of power and has been carried by her power through two films. She has never faced any genuine adversity.

It's OK though because I can come up with tenuous trivial explanations for every talent she has and every obstacle she effortlessly overcomes.

>Because James Bond wasn't created to push a male agenda.

But why is it there?

If Rey was going to be a force prodigy, the story could have been structured around that and had character development happen in some other way.

Instead it's basically a generic fantasy adventure with an overpowered heroine.

They really pick the worse possible clothes for her.

Will Smith's character had been a cop all his life. He was close-minded as fuck and and just wanted to throw in the towel. Jakoby was the one who pushed him.

Gerard Butler in those movies is the Secret Service agent hero gunfighter. But that's it.

Mark Wahlberg is Mary-Sue in "Shooter", I'll grant you that.

Lucas loved Rey as the character is loosely based upon him.

desu any explanation would good enough to convince me to finish a nu wars movie

>Shooter
How the hell is that an example? He practically walked into a trap and was left for dead until he was saved by a housewife/widow.

Because we only enjoy watching them and fantasize about being them. Women actually believe they are them or can be them.

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No Lucas hates the Nu-Wars. He said in a charlie rose interview that disney is uncreative.

He likes the Rey character as it depicts him, Lucas wanted to make Luke female also, this as Lucas was a beta male, just as Luke is. Rey is an outsider like Lucas who grew up in the wilderness of a small town, he learned to live by scrubbing engine parts. Lucas is an outsider in the movie business, but ultimately becomes the most influential person in it.

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He also bases the original characters on himself, take for example the Prequels, the love story arc is Lucas' relationship with Marcia (Wife), where Lucas is Anakin and Marcia is Padme, this eventually ends in a split between the two, and Lucas himself turns into Darth Vader. The Prequels explore Lucas' marriage/relationship to Marcia, and how the divorce affected Lucas films, Marcia got 1/2 of everything in the split and destroyed Lucas' vision for Skywalker Range and the future of independent film making. It was the divorce that Lucas cites as the reason for turning into Darth Vader.

Luke was also based upon Lucas (Luke=Luc-as), Luke was originally a pudgy short fat character who overcomes expectations by becoming a hero, Luke was always a Beta male character. Star Wars itself was a platform for the career of Harrison Ford, who Lucas used again in the Indiana Jones series. Han Solo's character is based upon Lucas also, Solo is actually a representation of the origins of NASCAR drivers, who were originally smugglers who tuned their cars to go faster than what the law could.

> History article on NASCAR's origins in the Prohibition era
> www.history.com/news/how-prohibition-gave-birth-to-nascar

Lucas himself was a racing car enthusiast and was potentially going to become a racer, but on June 12, 1962, then 17-year-old George Lucas was in a serious car crash which he said was as a miracle that he survived, Lucas would go on to explore this aspect of his life in the 1973 film American Graffiti.

Han's character in Star Wars is a continuation of Lucas' previous film American Graffiti, which also stars Harrison Ford as a street racer from the 50s. Han Solo is a smuggler/racer who's always fine tuning his vehicle/spaceship in Star Wars.

This. For 2 years now I avoided insulting her as a person, because she's not the one guilty of creating the Rey character. But after all those reviews - yep, that bitch is dumb as fuck. Either that or she's pretending to not understand. Can't say which is worse.

Star Wars isn't James Bond, you dumb fuck. In Star Wars the main characters aren't jesus like figures, they all have human flaws and have to endure life threatening situations and overcome defeats to develope. THey aren't good because "reasons", they have to grow and become better.

If a Jonh Sue appeared in Star Wars, I would be assblasted as well. But maybe a little less because in this case it would be just creative incompetence, instead of political agenda pushing.

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>Lucas wanted to make Luke female also
Will you faggots stop with this meming? Luke didn't even exist in the first draft. Instead there was Annikin Starkiller. Later on a character named general Skywalker appears, but he's not Luke.

my nigga knows the true history

Rey apologists are literally the scum of the earth

Also if a kid with no training whatsoever suddenly showed up and was better than Bond at everything people would fucking hate that character.

Pictured: Yourself

Some years ago Dark Horse released a comic book series based on the original draft, called just "The Star Wars". It was quite popular. I thought even normies at least heard some anecdotes about frog Han Solo and some other stuff. At this point it's really embarrassing for "true Star Wars fans" to not know the original story. And yet somehow faggots still try to revise it. What a horrible timeline we live in.

male equivalent of mary sue is actually scary jew

Ryan Craigs are usually more common in anime and vidya, since most of those protagonists are supposed to be literal self-inserts for lonely weebs. Mary Sues are much more common in live-action works, since feminists are much more common in Hollywood than in animation or game development.

I don't. There are lots of male leads who are Mary Sues. It's just in this new, diverse Hollywood, executives keep pushing flawless female leads because they need to empower a generation of young girls.

the Force=/=special forces training

its more like shaolin training

Luke did exist, and Lucas toyed with turning him into a female.

Source: ASS

>Force Sex Reassignment Surgery
haha

Lucas is a mercenary who retconned the history itself of Star Wars. Everyone knew that Dune was to be made, AP Jacobs wanted David Lean(Lawrence of Arabia) to direct the film. Jacobs died suddenly in 1973 and Dune was then left in limbo. Dune started being looked at as a film in the late 60s, Jacobs bought the rights in 1971.

The Force of Others is literally a business term related to industry forces, later Porter combined the Forces and created the 5 Forces model. Star Wars was created to undercut Dune, just as Tarantino created the Hateful 8 to undercut The Revenant. Lucas was an Engineer with real business acumen.

2nd draft, and Lucas said it himself about the female version.

Star Wars digits confirms

Source: ASS

> starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Adventures_of_the_Starkiller,_Episode_I:_The_Star_Wars

>Deak ordered a group of R2 units into the ship's lifepods to seek help from his younger brother, Luke Starkiller.
Source: ASS

> FORCE OF OTHERS

Force of Others = Threats to the Industry AKA DUNE