If we can have openly left-leaning characters, why can't we also have right-leaning ones...

If we can have openly left-leaning characters, why can't we also have right-leaning ones? Even Stark's dropped his capitalist angle.

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every character not openly leftist is a Republican/Libertarian, obviously.

Wait until you hear Cyclops' plan to grow jobs for Utopia by slashing taxes on himself

There's USAgent.

>Capes

Marvel has US Agent and Red Hulk, and that's all.

You can read into certain portrayals of Tony Stark or Carol Danvers, but there's nothing clear and consistent.

Because nobody wants to read the story of, "Everything is perfect the way it is right now and was better five minutes ago, let's never leave!" Conservatism is boring.

Someone will take this post seriously.

Ultimate punisher and ultimate cap are. Barry is. Wally is centre right.


Anyway marvel is leftist. Either classical liberalism or centre left or the cynical leftist of the 70s and 80s or the commies and sjws and progressive leftist.

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I don't really want to read about how some super powered person is struggling with how homosexual marriage is legal or that muh freedoms of speech are being taken away.

Because Conservatives are going through an identity crisis at the moment. They know their ideology can't function in today's world so when they see themselves being portrayed in anything other than Fox News they lash out because they think they're being portrayed as the villains. This identity crisis has led to to the Right identifying more and more with Nazis and white supremacist groups. Before you could make a character punch a Nazi and only Nazis would get mad. Nowadays you show a Nazi getting punched and suddenly it's a veiled political statement about the Right.

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>Why can't we also have right leaning ones

We do. Red Skull.

Then Marvel isn't for you. I find DC to be less politically biased.


Nope.

>Nowadays you show a Nazi getting punched and suddenly it's a veiled political statement about the Right.
Do real Nazis even get punched anymore?
Because the "Nazis" that get punched today are usually Trump supporters or something like that.

Because conservatives don't want to write comics.

I thought people wanted politics out of comics

I think you might be looking for the super villain category, OP.

>Trump supporters

Nazis with a little 'n.' Just because they're not card carrying members doesn't mean they're not nazis.

My feels tell me they're nazis. That's all that matters.

>they lash out because they think they're being portrayed as the villains
I mean, marvel directly portrays any right wing ideas as being inherently villainous.

They even had a problem where they used red skull to try to portray being against illegal immigration as straight evil but the speech red skull gave on it was quite reasonable.

>Trump supporters

You mean the people who support a guy that sympathizes with actual, literal nazis?

>I mean, marvel directly portrays any right wing ideas as being inherently villainous.

Well they pretty much are.

There's no such thing as "little n Nazis".

A Nazi is defined by following the ideologies set forth by Adolf Hitler.

Conservatives tend to not like comics or grew out of them. To them it's either geek or kids stuff.

Same as you would playing with toys.

>the speech red skull gave on it was quite reasonable.
God you're such a tool.
The whole point is that it's supposed to seem reasonable on a superficial surface level.
Where's your fucking brain.

That is by definition wrong. "Authoritarian"? Maybe. But a Nazi can only be a member of the 1930s-40s political party in Germany. Otherwise it's just a meaningless insult like doodoohead or longhair.

Is this true or just a meme?

Because honestly I don't know what's true anymore.

A meme. He disavows them at every opportunity. Doesn't stop them from supporting him, though.

It's not even the only time marvel just tried to slap regular conservative arguments on villains in the last two years.

Interesting take, though despite that I feel like conservatism is on a greater rise on the past years. If conservatists don't know what they want then leftists know exactly what they want and have become so smug and extreme of their beliefs that it's putting more and more people off. It's come to a point that conservatism has now become the new counter-culture as society has become more PC.
The protesters on Charlottesville had open members from the KKK as well as other hate groups. They were literally chanting "Seig Hail" over and over. Many of these people also openly support Trump.

Trump isn't a Nazi nor do their actions represent him as a president, but saying that majority of neo-Nazi's in America aren't also Trump supporters is just plain untrue.

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>If we can have openly left-leaning characters
I suppose with "characters" you mean "heroes"?
Easy, people who lean right-wing are inherently evil. It just wouldn't be natural for a bad person to be a hero.

>words can only have one meaning

Nazis always had a problem with basic literacy.

Actually "nazi" was originally a kind of slang word meaning dumbass rednecks, which also happens to describe Nazi nazis pretty accurately. It was a bit like the German equivalent of calling somebody "Cletus."

The National Socialists tried to "reappropriate" the term briefly, but people only laughed at them harder, so they stopped using it and never really called themselves Nazis.

>We do. Red Skull.

>totalitarian
>right

you're a fucking idiot

You can make the argument that superheroes as a whole are a right wing phenomenon. An entire class of Great Men keeping the world running with little to no input from the wider populace.

That's part of why political partisan superhero comics are generally so stunted. They're trying to project a leftist message through a fundamentally right wing medium. It never really works.

In case you haven't noticed, the left has won the culture wars. Progressive positions are now the only ones socially acceptable. Heroes don't stand for politically inacceptable positions or they wouldn't be heroes.

You might as well ask "If we can have characters who support women's suffrage, why can't we have also some who openly want to deny women the right to vote?" Totally ludicrous. If you are conservative or worse, reactionary, then you have already failed morally. At best, right wingers can be anti heroes. Demented psychopaths like the Punisher for instance. But never true heroes.

>but saying that majority of neo-Nazi's in America aren't also Trump supporters is just plain untrue
If there's any solstice to take in this is that even Hitler would be revolted by neo-Nazis, for other reasons.

You know the only reason they do that is because you call them Nazis right? It's like all the women calling themselves nasty after trump said it

It's really not absurd to call someone who literally waves a swastika a nazi mate.

A nazi is a right wing bigot. Donald Trump and his supporters are examples of nazis. I'd extend the definition to people who burn/ban books because they don't like what other people have to say, or deny basic science because they don't like the consequences.

Or many 4channers from Sup Forums who hate black people, Jews, deny the Holocaust happened and simultaneously applaud the Nazis for causing the Holocaust.

All nazis.

>words can only have one meaning
Most of the time they do.
It's people who arbitrarily assign them different meanings over time.
Look at woke.

So they're retarded too. Good to know.

It is also a shoop

By historical definition, yeah. By modern usage, no. Nazi longer came into use as a synonym for fascist. Arguing the semantics of that is an attempt to use technicalities to dismiss moral issues.

Real. After the events of Charlottesville (including the car rampage) his instinctive response was that both sides should be ashamed of himself.

So really you have two options here: either he doesn't give enough of a shit to actually read about what it is he's commenting on, or he genuinely sympathizes with homicidial nazis; although both are pretty shit.

He was basically bullied into condemning them. And not for the first time either.

>Lol leftists said I hate jews and niggers
>By wearing a swastika I totally am ironically not doing those things

>"I-If you call us Nazis long enough, we'll become Nazis!"

That's not how psychology works but if Conservatives want to die on that hill then so be it.

What if they're Buddhist?

>bunch of right wing politics rides upon xenophobia, nationalism, and sucking corporate cock
>why aren't there more superheroes like this

The left has a bunch of bullshit but the two aren't equal. One's easier to swallow and involves the people by and large while the other focuses on the few while inviting fringe nutcases to win

>I feel like conservatism is on a greater rise on the past years

They still don't have a plan. 7 years to devise how to get rid of Obamacare and they couldn't agree to jack shit. Now we've got tax reform coming up and it's clear that will be just as big of a boondoggle.

Say what you will about the neo-cons of the early 2000s, but at least they had a plan

>WTF people are calling me a Nazi
>Fine then i'm just going to wear Swastika's and go to this protest with other Nazi's to chant "Sieg Hail" and do the Nazi salute and chant about how all the kikes and faggots should kill themselves
Are you seriously using the "hurr derr I'm pretending to be retarded" argument?

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*ashamed of themselves

>people who burn/ban x because they don't like what other people have to say
So basically the left are nazis too.

>deny basic science because they don't like the consequences.
So transtrenders are Nazis?

>Different orientation of the symbol
>Not the Nazi red flag
I'd have to be retarded not to understand the difference. But you're being dumb. A guy wearing jackboots and complaining about white genocide isn't a budhist.

>baww why aren't there conservative movies/comics/tv shows/video games, etc
Conservatives never do anything that involves creativity. All they do is bitch about things. Thats why you don't see a great deal of conservative attitudes reflected in media.

WOW, anonymous, I can't BELIEVE you'd even ask that! How dare you. We can't have wrong opinions in comics. What if someone takes it seriously? Are you trying to LITERALLY MURDER everyone by sharing your disgusting ideas, you shitlord? God, go be a LITERAL NAZI somewhere else.

They're called authoritarians, user. They're an independent axis from left/right

Just look at how right-wing groups hated video games in the 90s and then left-wing groups hated video games in the 2000s

lmao what a convenient way to justify your violent insanity

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polysemy

Pretty much every common English word has multiple meanings. Right-wing linguistics are shit.

>what is a joke?
Although, there is some interesting arguments to make about wearing a swatiska in a different context.

>Nazi
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noun
1.
historical
a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
adjective
1.
of or concerning the Nazis or Nazism.

No. And you're providing a good example that illustrates my point.

Nah. The left will judge you a piece of shit if you say something stupid. They're not holding Harry Potter book burnings like conservative church groups.

>Conservatives never do anything that involves creativity

There's a lot of conservative science fiction authors, most infamously Orson Scott Card.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Etymology

Honestly, it will always weird me out the fact that people oppose fascist ideals with their own version of fascism.
>Nah. The left will judge you a piece of shit if you hold different views to them
Fixed that for you m8.

>He disavows them at every opportunity
>didn't even mention them initially and LITERALLY went it's not my fault and b-but O-obama in that same address
>took two days to actually disavow nazis
>his own party was shitting on him so hard to the point that he was essentially forced into doing another conference that was clearly not written by him
>took him longer to disavow David Duke during the campaign trail
He damn well knows they're part of his base.

user, Trump supporters are nazis whether you admit to it or not. It doesn't make them better people if you use some other term.

Cry some more.

>someone calls me a faggot
>i'll suck a dick to show them!
This is the level of logic you're using.

I take solace in the fact the most memorable and beloved characters tend to be hard ass right wingers.

OR he sympathizes with the unite the right rally on the grounds of wanting to preserve American history & heritage even if he disagrees with the portion among them that believes whites are inherently genetically superior.

I never said they did have a plan or they're even ideal leaders. I'm just saying that more and more people are getting tired of leftists becoming more and more controlling which have led people to become conservative as an odd means of rebellion.

Look at this stupid faggot . They're is no doubt in my mind that he is the sort that hate SJW and tumblr with a passion, and that's fair cause I do to. But his blind hate and rebellion has grown so wide he's literally defending neo-Nazi's because "mean old liberals" are calling them for what they are.

>the left will judge you a piece of shit if you hold different views from them.

The left will not judge you a piece of shit if you don't like the same movie that you do, or like to put pineapple on your pizza and they don't.

If your "different view" is that black people are inferior or the Holocaust never happened or Global Warming isn't real, then yes they'll judge you a piece of shit, and they won't be wrong.

Most right leaning people wouldn't be superheroes. They would want people to fend for themselves.

>Conservatives never do anything that involves creativity

Read: Conservatives are actively pushed out of outlets which publish creative material.

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Hard to be a conservative in an industry infested with ivory tower lefties.

>No. And you're providing a good example that illustrates my point.
Explain to me how.
Because transtrenders are different from legitimate transgender people; transgender suffer from body disphoria and are neurologically hard wired different from cis gendered people. They legitimately require things like HRT and reassignment surgery. Transtrenders on the other hand base their decisions on fickle social norms rather than anything biological and in some cases, refer to anyone asking them biological questions as "truscum".

>Moore specifically wrote rorschach to be as disgusting and reprehensible as possible
>there's always a vocal part of every Watchmen discussion that admires him
every time

So basically, Steve Ditko's creations.

The left has made a concerted effort to label non-leftist thought actual violence. They are criminalizing speech.

The fact that you equated disagreement with the left as literal Nazism is pretty much case in point.

Right, because Trump has been known to have a complex and intricate views of national politics. Don't fucking kid yourself.

>He disavows them at every opportunity

If Donald Trump really disavowed nazis and KKK members, then Steven Bannon and Jeff Sessions wouldn't have a job.

Donald Trump disavowing racists is as phony as everything else he says. It's like the Klansman, in robes, on some talkshow saying "I ain't racist, I just hate the bad niggers."

all they do is the manual labor that keeps society running, while all the liberal types run to non-labor jobs and get "creative"

ITT: Normalfaggots in from tumblr and shitposters collide in massdebate 2017, with no regards for the actual OP's topic.

What are leftists trying to ban?

Hate speech?

>Donald Trump and his supporters are examples of nazis.

Keep doing that
Keep calling regular people Nazis because they do not agree with your left wing agenda
I am not being sarcastic
The more you call people Nazis for not believing in your LGBTWTFBBQ crap or your SJW causes or your identity politics the more people come over to the correct side.

>4channers

oh fuck off reddit

>Moore is a fucking idiot
Yep, every time.

>They are criminalizing speech

I'm sure whatever nazi fake news you listen to told you that, but it's not true.

Modern conservatives don't want to disallow women from doing anything except murdering babies.
Who in the flying fuck wants to stop women from voting in America? Are you fucking delusional.

What defines hate speech though?
Because over the years, the term "hate speech" has attained a broader definition.

>What are leftists trying to ban?

seriously?

>keep doing that

Fine. Keep being bigots and I will. Trump's not going to gain any support. At this point only the most cult-like retarded racists are supporting him, and even they're dropping him.

>The left will not judge you a piece of shit if you don't like the same movie that you do
Nah, they will judge a piece of shit if you don't share their "political views", even if you just say you disagree and never state your own political opinions.
This is why a lot people judge lefties to be subhuman fascists hidden behind a fake shield of morality, and they aren't wrong.

Not like someone who unironically uses "bigot" or the term "4channers" is worth talking to, it's so obvious where you come from.

>Nazi
There's that word again. Just as pointless and meaningless as everything else you said.

While actual Nazis are running over SJWs in Virginia, the corporate overlords you worship because they outwardly appear progressive are working to ban speech online they personally dislike.

There are shit ton of conseratives that could easily fund whatever they want. They just don't.

Rupert Murdoch could force 20th Century Fox to only make conservative shows. He doesn't. He only pushes that agenda on Fox News. So explain that shit to me.

Shit, for all their bitching, they could make their own version of Hollywood with the deep pockets they have. Pure Flix is pretty much the only thing out there and its garbage like God's Not Dead. I think they just like pushing this us vs them idea.

And lol at the idea of ivory tower lefties when Trump literally lives in a self named tower.

Bigoted speech. Racist statements against black people, or Jews, or women. Any kind of minority.

I really don't think it's changed at all. Judging people for the content of their character, and not the color of their skin, etc.

meme.
If you look at every side of what happened, you'll notice a lot of instances where what's being reported doesn't reflect what happened.
Trump was right to say Both Sides needed to chill out.

why should it be illegal to say racist things? saying niggerdoes not equal lynching a georgia church off of blacks.