The MCU has a villain prob-

>The MCU has a villain prob-

There has only been one mediocre Phase 3 villain. This complaint isnt valid anymore.

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Obadiah and Loki (they did nothing wrong)
the rest are mediocre trash

>Implying neither Stane or Loki did anything wrong
>Implying that other villains all did something wrong (Killmonger and Vulture fit this bill more than those two)
>Implying that a villain isn’t a good villain if they do bad things

>completely wasting based mads

Both Michael's and Mads are the best out of the list by far. Brolin should be good too

Thanos is going to be a different kind of good. Not like a ‘society made me this way’ good, but a Darth Vader kind menacing good.

>Marvel literally king of capeshit right now
>DCEU still trying to figure out how to work their core roster into money makers
>Marvel could just rest on their laurels and pump out mediocre 6/10 and 7/10 popcorn flicks until people got tired of it
>But they don't
>Fixing the common complaint regarding underwhelming or uninteresting villains because the only really interesting villains up until Phase 3 were Loki, Stane, and I'd argue Ultron and Robert Redford's character. Now we got Zemo, Vulture, Hela, Kilmonger, and possibly Ego. I thought Kaecilius was kind of underwhelming though and didn't have much going for him beyond "The Ancient One lied to us"
>Fixing the often leveled complaint of these films being shallow by offering pieces with more interesting themes and subject matter since Winter Soldier, with Ragnarok even tackling the concept of imperialism and history revisionism.

At this rate, Marvel will be putting out pure capekino n 2-3 years while Warner Bros is still struggling to regain audience goodwill while greenlighting every spin-off idea they can think of.

>being this invested in design-by-committee-goblins swill
>marvel films tackling """themes"""

goddamn I hope you're under 18 or this is bait. pathetic

Ironic that the postive change in the MCU he is talking about only started occuring once Fiege finally got rid of the literally committee by design committee and started spearheading everything alone. You can really tell the difference. Ant-Man was the last movie to have any sort of committee attached to it.

Zemo's overrated, dude's barely a villain
Mikkelsen was wasted
Kurt was an okay villain
Keaton was okay
Blanchett was meh

>design-by-committee-goblins

I think you are confused, Warner Bros does that system. Just look at what caused Kevin Smith to walk from the Superman movie he was doing. It was because there was a committee, and some dude on that committee wanted him to do a giant robot spider in the third act despite it not making any sense to have one.

Funny enough, a little while later Warner Bros produced Wild Wild West, and guess what was in the third act.

But with how the DCEU has been done, that is a more blatant "committee designed" sort of mess.

Marvel is more directed and under the control of someone who actually knows comics.

The only great villain in that pic is Daniel Brühl. And by great, I mean properly developed throughout the film even when you have tons of cast in it. Keaton is OK. Blanchett is just a comic relief. Don't and won't watch BP so I could care less about jordan. The rest are blunders.

Michael B. Jordan is the best MCU villain by far. Michael Keaton was also pretty good. Rest on this list are either meh or awful

Why the fuck was justice league so quiet. The sound design was shit.

And even then, it is weird to think that the worst that the MCU has put out (Iron Man 2, Thor 2, and Hulk) have themselves all been still okay or good films.

MCU hasn't put anything god awful or trainwreck out on their movie side.

I'm with Bob Chipman on this one, I want them to at least have one out and out flop so people know where the bar is set and we can stop obsessing over this whole idea that one day Marvel is going to put out a terrible movie.

>Zemo was okay
>Mads felt wasted along with whole movie
>Ego was good
>Vulture was good
>Hela was shit

>Zemo
>just meh
>or awful

youtube.com/watch?v=pnY4YxzQhxI

This scene was straight up kino. Right up there with the car scene in Homecoming where Vulture gave Peter the "dad talk"

Broslin is Thanos?!

Dude, where the fuck have you been?
Nigga been Thanos since GotG1.

>Villains
Only Vulture felt real imo, he's almost Raimi-esque which is perfect. Ego was pretty good aswell. Hela is the standard basic-bitch Marvel villain with 2 scenes to giver her "depth", Zemo had a great backstory and I can't wait for him to become a villain. I can't even fucking remember Mads' character's name but he was in the same level of your average Thor villain.

>with more interesting themes and subject matter since Winter Soldier
Literally only the Guardians movies succeeded in this. And it's mostly because (apparently) Feige let James Gunn alone to do whatever he wanted.
Civil War tried to do this and it was hit-or-miss but still it was a nice try.
Give me the interesting theme/subject matter of Doctor Strange, Ant-Man, Homecomming and Ragnarok.

>with Ragnarok even tackling the concept of imperialism and history revisionism.
Mentioning it isn't tackling it, it's barely a theme.

What even is this post? Yeah, sure, Feige understands movie-making and is probably a huge comic nerd unlike the unpassionate incompetent cronies at DC, but it's still a committee overpowering creators.

>all these 10/10 villains
What happened bros? Phase 2 is objectively kino.

Just wait till IW is done.

>At this rate, Marvel will be putting out pure capekino n 2-3 years while Warner Bros is still struggling to regain audience goodwill while greenlighting every spin-off idea they can think of.

We're already here

Thanos looks so different to him, I thought it was a CGI character.

I just wanna add before we go in depth or whatever that I really enjoy and follow the MCU. I'm watching Black Panther this weekend and I'm inhumanly hyped for Infinity War.

Daniel Bruh is one of my favorite actors of all times after Rush.
This makes Zemo to me one of my favorite villains.

Zemo > vulture > Ego > the rest

he gave us one of the best quips of the entire cinematic universe, what are you talking about? He is far more remembered than any of the other villains solely because of this.

I found most of Civil War just a struggle to watch with its rapid fire jump cuts that people mock in Taken 3. Everything at the bunker made it go from like a 4/10 to like a 7

I'm only partially confident on IW and Avengers 4 mostly because I was never a fan of the original Infinity saga stuff in the comics. Most of it was a clusterfuck of tons of characters and a lot of visual confusion.

Thanos Quest was the superior storyline in that whole saga.

I have some faith that the Russos will do good with IW because they seem to be able to handle ensemble capeshit pretty well.

The film that is currently worrying me is the Black Widow one.

Agreed, but another 2-3 years will really cement this in.

Like after Warner Bros puts out Aquaman and Flash, which are going to be their last attempts at proper course correction.

I think I can understand Kaecilius, its true he didn't have much going for him. But in the topic of the movie, in the context of a secret society having to defeat a rebel, I think it was fine.

I think he explained it well in the movie, how he went there to learn how to heal himself, and instead he found out The Ancient One was hoarding power for herself, and that she was a hyprocrite that feeds on the hopes and dreams of other people. Being lied for a big length of time to really hurt like a bitch, and I can sort of understand him going "fuck this fucking society" and slips into the hands of Dormammu. I mean it isn't shown in the movie, but they clearly made contact with Dormammu and promised him whatever convinced him to actually summon him on earth.

I think its well done, although a bit boring because at the end of the day is still a story about an edgy kid that was too blind to see the harm he was causing. I dunno guys.

The only good ones were Keaton in homecoming(he played 'Tired old crazy Vulture' really well), and Michael b jordan.

Cate Blanchett had a shitty forgettable villain from the dead weight of that movie, I barely remember doctor strange's villain because he's put aside for dormamu in like ten minutes, and zemo was misused.

The rapid fire jump cuts during fight scenes is something I take issue with in MCU films. They've been getting better about them though. At the very least when the fight between Steve and Stark got towards the climax, they managed to do a consistent shot.

Difference between CW and Taken 3 though, is Taken 3 never really gives you a proper sense of space or consistency. At least in Civil War they give you a good idea of the space everyone is fighting in, so even with all the jump cuts you can still follow what is going on and who is where. Best examples are when Bucky jumps out onto the roof before Black Panther tackles him, giving you a clear shot of the whole roof right before the fight so you have it in your head where everything is, and the big act 3 set-up with the gang confronting Zemo, giving you a decent idea of how the bunker room is set-up.

For me, jump cuts aren't that bad when you've set the space up proper and shown it to the audience. It is only bad when it is stuff like Taken 3, where you mix it with a chase through nondescript streets and backyards, combined with shaky handcam and low angles.

Kaecilius's development was sacrificed so they could develop Mordo instead.

there is a black widow movie coming up?
why? its time for her to retire, we got a younger, prettier witch superhero now, that can actually hold her own in a fight.

Smith did not walk, he was fired from it because Burton wanted to use the same writer he has worked with since Beeltejuice for the Superman movie so everything Smith did was tossed.

Keaton is the best, not only because he is damn good, but also, it was a good written character. The moment when he is reveled as the father of the girl, my whole cinema shout an honest WHOOOOOA!

Mads > Keaton > Russell > Jordan > Brolin > Blanchett > Bruhl

It was pretty obvious he was the father. You didn't see the family resemblance?

as far as threads go these MCU ones seem pretty quality most of the time

I legit have no idea what quip you are talking about.

>Zemo
Weak and underdeveloped, not enough screen time to make him notable and his entire plan to make the avengers fight each other was reliant on Tony Stark being so impilsive and dumb that even after being told he was manipulated into fighting his super friends, he would still fight Captain America
>Mads bad guy
Only thing I can remember about him is that he had purple eyes and betrayed the bald lady somehow
>Vulture
Really good, nice plot twist and personal connection to Peter, and had great motivation and parallels to Petertoo
> Ego
Entertaining and interesting because of how weird his plan was. Great how symbolically and literally he is cancer--that which killed Peter Quill's mom, and his plan to murder the universe by endlessly replicating himself and killing host planets was cancerous on a macro scale. Worked good as well with Yondu in the Father Figures theme of GOTG2 as well.
>Hell
Okay, somewhat forgettable. She's kinda just a hammy supervillian. Again, like everybody else she is motivated by revenge which seems to be the default in these movies
>Killmonger
Have not seen it yet.
>Thanks
Infinity War isn't out yet.

Everyone forgets Yellow Jacket

I like how everyone forgot the villians of deadpool and antman.

as if they never existed

Because be was bland as fuck.

oh yeah and Ultron.. lol

>all these great actors being fucking wasted on shitty movies and shitty characters

>Tony Stark being so impilsive and dumb
Tony stark is knowng for being impulsive and dumb

This thread is an embarrassment. It's sad that this board will actually praise capeshit.

Ant-Man is officially part of Phase 2, even though it came out after Avengers 2.

capeshit is only based when you think about it
how many hours of fun have you got with your buddies watching one?
how many good shitpost hours have you used on capeshit?
how many times the girl you are with while watching a capeshit movie got bored and decided to give you a handjob instead?

when you think about it, capeshit should be a staple of the industry

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