Cavill is the best Superman right?

Cavill is the best Superman right?

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Yeah imho

>Cavill is the best man right?

Not even 4th best

THE Best choice, just a terrible direction he's been given.

yes.
jl proved he can be the corny boyscout people love.

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JL proved that Cavill sucks without Snyder's direction.

Really the only good thing about the capeshit he’s appeared in. When he finally smiled a lot and made cheeky remarks in Justicd League, it was a nice change.

MoS and BvS are the only two times in cinema where I could actually relate to Superman. That he was actually from the comics that I loved and not from cheesy ass 80's Donner films. That was always an awful Superman. Snyder brought Superman to his proper status with MoS/BvS and all that was washed away at the hands of hacks like Whedon and Johns in JL. A Superman that is tested to the absolute limits of his physical and mental fortitude.

quite the contrary he almost felt like Supes in JL

Reeves is the true and only Superman and then Dean Cain

looks wise yea

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH I cant believe retards like you exist

That's because your exposure to Superman is your childhood films. Read some Ross comics. Snyder's depiction is more accurate to the best Superman comics. Even his controversial Lex adaption was actually more faithful to comics than the Donner Lex ever was.

Donner never managed to capture the mythic aspects of Superman and why he can become an inspirational figure. We went right past the Why into the How.

even pic related was better

I can't believe retards like you exist. People who have dismissed countless amount of Superman canon to make a point that Snyder's Superman doesn't have a ton of basis in the comics.

The original Superman film has some of the best depictions of the character ever made. It perfectly embodies the mythos.

>Donner: "Son, you're here for a reason."
>Snyder: "YOU AIN'T GOTTA DO SHIT SON! YOU DON'T OWE DESE PEOPLE NUTTIN!"

I'm not certain Zack has ever even read a Superman comic.

Not only is he the best Superman, but Man of Steel is the best Superman film of all time and the greatest capeshit of the modern MCU/DCU era

>Read some Ross comics

This is literally all you Snydercucks use as an example. A few non canon Ross comics and ignore the other 80 years of History. Snyder is a hack and he will never work with DC again. He ruined any chance Superman had to be relevant today

The point is that he's not given the role of Superman. He willingly takes the role of Superman by his own will. Free will is a big deal in the new films and it breaks the notion that Superman is that which his detractors accuse him of being: A mindless Gary Sue.

His mother says again in BvS "Be everything they want you to be, or don't. It's your choice". I don't know I think it makes Superman more of a hero knowing he wasn't born into the role but grows into it.

>Man of Muder
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

The point is that your point is fucking garbage and represents a total lack of basic understanding about the character and what makes him great.

Best husbando for sure.

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That look of disgust on Shannon's face is directed to manchildren like you.

this and I'm not even memeing

this too, listen not everything has to be a 1:1 adaptiation from any medium into a film, if you tell the same story that's always told, your story is boring no matter how "respectful" it is, things must be changed in order to make the story engaging, BUT stray too far from the source material and it'll turn into something unrecognizable; there's nothing wrong with having superman's parents give him the freedom of choosing, and there's also nothing wrong with having superman question wether or not he's making the right choice

There we go. I think your rage is starting to become too overbearing on you. Calm down. Go drink some water. And then come back to accept the fact that Snyder's Superman indeed depicts a Superman from the comics, just not the one you masturbate over.

only pretentious beta cucks like Ross's superman.

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>You mad argument
Pathetic. Just like your lack of knowledge.

Stay mad Soy.

snyder is a retard who doesnt understand a character made for children he is as superficial as michael bay

Christopher Reeves superman will always be the best. Cavill looks the part but nothing about his portrayal of the character sticks.

>Little girl cowing in the face of Supreman's dick
WTF was the artist thinking here?

Superman 1 is iconic. I'll give you that.

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I think this is a great scene. But it's not a good film for Superman. Because what does this imply? It means that Superman can at will change the awful events of the world that occurred at will. It completely removes him from a crucial world of causality and one of pure fantasies. Donner's Superman is a power fantasy but it never manages to depict a Superman that has to justify the why in being Superman.

>Yada yada yada

>Donner: Superman is literally a god on earth, but also a man torn with human emotions
>Snyder: Superman is a dumb, musclebound space cop.

yea we got all that with the excellent Superman 1978 in a couple of scenes Donner is just a master of the craft

Good job ignoring every comment made in the thread so you can fuel your ignorant hateboner. But there's no way getting through to you. Even demonstrating the countless of comics that support Snyder's Superman you'll still turn around and screech like monkeys.

But hey you won! A relateable and human Superman was transformed into a freak in JL, a man who quips about death and who can solve any issue with his fist. You wanted that and you got that. Yet I don't tink you really seem to care that DC gave you exactly what you whined about for years.

he's boring and emo

>Donner: Superman is literally a god on earth,
Every time Snyder makes the implication you fags turn your heads backwards and claim he's shoving a Christian agenda down your throats. Of course even Snyder knew he was talking about the image of Superman and not Superman himself.

>But you're not just anyone, Clark,
and I have to believe that you were...That you were sent here for a reason.


shit bait user
go watch the movie

>he's shoving a Christian agenda down your throats.
No one has said this in this thread fella.

And Superman's mom undoes all of that with one pathetic speech.

>"Be their hero, Clark. Be their angel, be their monument, be anything they need you to be. Or be none of it. You don't owe this world a thing. You never did.”

Absolute cunt that shits all over the Superman legacy. Proves that the writer doesn't understand a single thing about what makes the character great, nor do he care.

Both Jonathan and Martha clearly say to Clark that it is HIS choice to became the man he wants to be and not THEIRS. Can you understand this?

the problem with snyder's superman is that we don't get to know the guy as a person before we see his troubles.
He lacks any real humanity, other than anger, few glimpse's of smiles, and that he really is CARELESS for human life.
We don't know what the guy even likes, we don't like him. We don't get to see him interacting with people unless they are talking about his dilemmas and how important he is.
The guy had like 40 lines of dialogue in bvs.

you mean Snyder tried to despict him (and failed as usual) as a Ross comic where he shows a more serious side of Superman but that doesnt mean thats all Superman is he is been around for almost 100 years and he is the boy scout we all love and aspire to be not a depressed hobo

a challenger appears

Idiot. The worst part is that the cunt doesn't imply there can be a comfortable middle ground. That just trying and doing the best that he can is enough. He's a man straddled with an extraordinary burden that no one has faced. Her solution is either to try to be god or to give up completely.

This is just shit writing.

>he is the boy scout we all love
Fucks sake every time you niggers spout this shit. That Superman was depicted in Superman Returns and it fucking failed to capture a modern audience. And he returned in JL only to shit completely on the continuity of the trilogy and becomes a fucking satire of his own character. A sad waste of a Gary Sue who enters a fight with a fist and leaves with a smile.

You'd think with how much you fags scream about this boy scout shit you'd actually like JL but even then you don't seem to care.

superman is a mary sue

Except that he's not because he gets killed over and over again.

Gary Stu you mook.

>countless
a few panels from some Ross comic

Supes has many despictions through the years

No you fucking idiot. She clearly says "Be the man you want to be". Don't blame it on Martha that you're on the Autism Spectrum. Blame your mummy who decided to birth you at 40.

>Still trying to downplay "or be none of it."
Pathetic. Stop making excuses for bad writing.

he had even less in mos.

>Supes has many despictions through the years
And yet you only acknowledge the ones that Snyder isn't depicting rather than the ones Snyder IS depicting. Not only that but you take everything from the films out of context and try to twist and turn the film characters into psychopaths when in truth these are some of the most human characters in any superhero film.

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>Did they hurt you?
>You know they can't.
>That's not what I meant.

So? He can be none of it aswell. It's his choice. The same way it's your choice and mine if we want to become doctors and policemen instead of shitposting on Sup Forums. We've made our choices. Clark must do his. He has just as much right as we do to choose his own life.

Judging a character based on quantity of dialogue lines is very poor. I'd rather he speaks when he needs to instead of shoving needless quips in every scene a la Marvel and JL Superman.

Superman traveled in time against his father wishes to protect the ones he loves, he made a choice and is to serve and protect humankind

>but why cant he just travel in time the next...
cause is a movie just let it go

Nah, Mary Sues are the kinds of characters who encounter problems that are in no way their own fault, and end up heroically solving them, sometimes even berating the people whose fault it was. This Superman actually brought Zod to Earth in the process of his own quest for discovery about his origins, and had to clean up the mess he caused. That's not a Mary Sue, that's a flawed character.

the only character's they have gotten right is diana and bruce, joss at least made the guy likable but at the cost of hideous cgi and deleted fan service..meh

theres nothing relatable about Murderman that why these movies bored the audience and only attracted retards who wanted to see cgi action

I wish people had the same level of understanding to the newer films. But here we are arguing that Martha is a psychopath for telling his own son that he can choose to be the man he wants to be rather than the man they want him to be. God forbid a mother loves her son enough to want to protect him from harm's ways.

For the record, I don't dislike Donner's depiction. I think he took some liberties and I think every artist has the freedom to take liberties with these characters to further develop them going forward. Superman isn't what he started out as.

If you're gonna use an unfamiliar term, you should figure out what it means first.

you are right, i should judge by the quality of what he is saying.....
he doesn't even speaks when he needs to asshole.
Multiple problems in bvs could have been solved if the fucker was allowed to speak.

what a bitch

how the fuck are these scripts aproved?

If you're talking about the Batman fight, he does try calm him down before he gets sucker punched by Kryptonite. And then it becomes a battle of survival for Clark who is geniunely afraid that he might die here and Martha might die because he loses.

They assume their audience can relate to a mother's wishes of keeping her son safe rather than sticking to fanboy delusions of a boy scout. I think they were wrong.

relatable? he has the power of a God and instead of taking the responsability and help the world he chooses to hide like a little bitch with some gay sailors

You have the power of a man and instead of taking responsibility and helping the world you're here shitposting on a Chinese imageboard.

yeah except he throws him around a couple of times and literally tosses him hundreds of feet through the air into a building, that could've killed him...unless he knew that the plot wouldn't allow him to die but snyder has already shown us that this superman is not above killing humans.
Did the first thing we need to see after mos is him killing a human albeit a terrorist for selfish gain.

Return's Superman is a creppy stalker deadbeat dad

Louis and Clark had a great Superman

He never killed that terrorist though. He uses his body to shield the terrorist from the walls. He says later to Lois that he never harmed anyone there.

It's fine next time maybe you'll pay attention to a film you're this devoted to dislike.

where in the film did it say or show the terrorist he tackled through three walls survived.
You are literally making shit up.
< He says later to Lois that he never harmed anyone there
One, thats not accurate and two, he his specifically talking about the people luthor had murdered and staged to look like superman killed them.

besides having a shit despiction of superman these movies fail because they dont feel heroic at all, superman is just bored, angry and annoyed the whole time

even Wonder Woman got the heoric part right yes a fucking direct to tv woman director understood that

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No he's talking about the entire Africa incident. He never harmed anyone there.

this

and three, fuck you i wanted to like this film.
You are just a faggot that can't admit there is fault in the writing and that everyone that dislikes the flick is
>devoted to disliking
it.

thats sounds soooo fun and exciting!

snyder is a tone deaf idiot I wish Sam Raimi would have directed a new Superman

you said yourself I'm only a man but he is Superman the one we all aspire to be

dumb fuck prove that he did not harm that terrorist.

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he definitely killed the nigger

Making Superman actually human makes him easier to aspire to. I have no intentions holding glorified robots as inspirational figures.

>He never killed that terrorist though

Because he later says he didn't kill anyone. For fucks sake.

i suppose he didn't "kill" anyone in metropolis in the chaos of the battle huh.
jesus dude just admit he killed a man to save lois, it is not a big deal.

kek

for frickks sayykk

This. "HURR WHY IDNT SUBERMAN GIVING UP HIS LIFE TO BE A HERO LITERALLY 24/7" for the same fucking reason you're not idiot. It's hard to just, give up half of your life to a greater cause, that you probably wont even see the results of. AND YET SNYDER SUPES STILL DID IT, HE STILL BECOMES SUPERMAN, AND GIVES UP HIS LIFE TO THE SUPERMAN CAUSE.

I'm already human you fucking mongoloid

Now I'm 100% sure you a retarded because you cant even understand such a simple concept let me explain:

he is called SUPERMAN

SUPERMAN you get it? I'm sure you dont I'm done here, bye Zack

then why didn't snyder just show superman moving super fast to disarm him?

if snyder wanted us to believe superman didn't kill him and he had grown since MoS, why did he tackle him through walls?

>I'm already human
What makes you think I was talking about you?

I think the fact people are still debating this shit proves Snyder's films are better than every Marvel movie combined. At least there's shit to talk about and his movies are much more cinematic than the crap Whedon and Feige pump out.

this.
beat me by a second.

Because it's a film and it has two jobs: One is telling a story, the other is being cinematic. This was the middleground between two. Superman running around disarming folks isn't cinematic. That's just the nature of the medium sorry.

by that logic the last jedi is the best star wars film.

we are not talking about it we are shitting on the movie, we are still angry that he ruined a beloved character

No one is talking about The Last Jedi. The Star Wars franchise is dead.