Can this be fixed?

Is there an explanation as why it was never used before despite FTL being around for thousands of years, or is Star Wars now just broken?

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Should have pulled a Star Trek and just ignored it. Imagine if a Miranda class starshit could take out a Borg Cube by ramming it at warp 9, the whole franchise wouldn't make sense anymore.

That being said, they will obviously just ignore it going forward and try to pretend it never happened.

They will probably add a throw away line in 9 about it damaging hyperspace. Aka dont do it, it will destabilize the fabric of reality.

It's a fantasy movie and constantly having the heroes kamikaze themselves is cowardly. Alternatively, no one wants to kill themselves. You can say, just let robots do it, but then it just becomes a battle of who wastes resources fastest.

I guess the only way to fix this is just add more detail in IX and make a reason why it will never happen again. I'm just appalled that the story group allowed this.

>Being so mad at someone you risk breaking the fabric of reality
>Heroes

>get a bunch of old cheap freighters
>load them up with rocks, sand, and debris
>having them trail behind your fleet
>your fleet engages the enemy fleet
>relay enemy ship coordinates to your freighters
>they hyperspeed ram the enemy ships
>win

Literally no reason not to do this

prepare for ramming speed!

There has to be a reason provided as to why this was an exception to the normal rules of Star Wars.

>who wastes resources fastest.
Wasn't that the entire plot of the Last Jedi's space chase?

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I wrote down an explanation that can be used. It's pretty long, but it fixes the damage done.

>resistance leaders meet to devise a plan to attack starkiller base 2.0
>"uhh why dont we just put our fleet on auto pilot and hyperspace ram it?"
>"it wont work the first order have dark matter shields that block hyperspace travel!"

It can be patched, retconned, or simply ignored. What it *can’t* undo is the knowledge among fans that Disney is sloppy with the IP and placed the franchise in the hands of idiots and agenda-pushing, mouth-breathing retards, which speaks well of neither them as an entity or the franchise’s future.

IT FIXES EVERYTHING!

I just love how TFA and TLJ both violate the rules of the galaxy in which they exist.

>There has to be a reason provided as to why this was an exception to the normal rules of Star Wars.

*Blocks your continuity*

Only boys care about fictional technology making sense according consistent in-universe rules. Star Wars isn't for boys anymore.

>constantly having the heroes kamikaze themselves is cowardly
Yeah, but the villains spent a trillion billion dollars on Starkiller Bases and Death Stars instead of like, a million x-wings with droid pilots.

Could describe starships as being so expensive not a single one is worth wasting because they are so hard to replace, but you see them get mashed and destroyed like they are expendable throughout the series. Theyre like a cars, just buy another one easily and when it gets dinged up take it to some backalley and get it fixed by someone with mustard stains on their shirt, so this wouldnt come across even if it was the case. The reality is that they thought it would look cool, and werent thinking about continuity of the series.

I know its fantasy but internal consistency is important in fantasy over any genre, you dont want the audience asking questions of logic that you as the writer arent bringing up.
>introduce a random character with armour that is immune to blaster and lightsabers. The writers just thought this would make the character cool and stand out
>they dont think that people would ask why has noone used this before and if it is a thing why is it not something thats treated with utmost importance to acquire

it has happened before, it just wasn't successful. Ramming at lightspeed did nothing before, but this time it was a woman doing it so it obliterated the ship.

Are you talking about the Dominion tactic in ramming one of their bugs in to the Olympus(Galaxy Class)?

This was the only good part about the movie

Besides having rules makes a franchise more fun. It's just disrespectful to the saga it is apart of too.

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It rendered all space combat, past and future, obsolete. But yeah, at least it looked cool.

Holdo was not the first to use the Katharr maneuver. Several famous battles were won by utilizing partial hyperspace acceleration. The common thread in all these victories, however, was unimaginable desperation. For indeed, it is phyrric, and the victory short-lived.

The Katharr maneuver is immensely powerful and virtually indefensible, but it literally tears a hole in the local hyperspace, cutting off routes and rendering further escape impossible. A measure of last resort, in prolonged battles it is virtually unheard of given the risks it poses. Victors stranded with the remnants of the enemy fleet, usually in no better position than they were before save a head start on retreat while the enemy recoups their losses and regroups.

Legends also tell of dark things hiding in hyperspace tears; things that lurk between the void, viscous things that are thought to be worse than utter defeat by your enemy. The old texts call these things the Uuzha'n, and while none surviving can corroborate their true existence, any sane officer can tell you no victory is worth risking the Katharr gambit.

The Odyssey had transferred all power to weapons so it was likely shields down, but the fact that it also worked later in the war means the Ramming Always Works trope is in full effect in Star Trek and it begs the question as to why it wasn't done more.

>implying everybody is gonna start throwing themselves into things

The Japs did this shit in ww2 and we haven't seen it used since

I thought that hyperspace was an alternate dimension people used to get to ftl speeds. How the fuck does hyperspace kamikaze even work considering they aren't in the same dimension

It was neat, but I fully expect space battles to be some anime shit with space ships trying to dive into the broad side of eachother from now on.

exactly.

Why can't they just FTL ram the Uuzha'n?

That's because it didn't work well at all. If they'd been able to ram battleships and carriers with PT boats and blow them up people would still be doing it. TLJ had the issue of presenting the attack as being easy to do, nearly unstoppable and deadly.

Dude... the japanese kamikaze is nothing like FTL kamikaze, obviously. Don't use that stupid comparison.

Shit writing

>why it was never used before
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You don't enter the dimension the moment you activate lightspeed on your ship. You're still in real space for a short time as you speed into it, which allows you to crash into shit.

Fuck you for reminding me this dogshit exists. I had already forgotten that there was a sequel trilogy where luke skywalker is a retarded cuck and Leia flies like the wicked witch from wizard of oz.

I love it!

Star wars isn't for 'geeks' any more
It's for numale millennial couples just having their first kids that they can all enjoy as a family before going home to peg each other

OP here and to answer to your complaint that is my life. I remember this atrocity every day, every hour and every minute. I wake up, open my eyes and its there. So join me in my pain.

This film pretty much broke Star Wars.

Almost everything it was grounded on was compromised in one film, something not even the prequel trilogy managed and that had force microbes or whatever.

There actually is a good reason for it in Trek, though. Starships capable of warp travel take decades to construct and an unbelievable amount of resources. They’re not at all like cars, and the drive components too huge to devote to making a one-time missile.

Shields

Its partial warp. You set your engines to warp and route to the destination literally right in front of you to avoid going completely into hyperspace while still traveling at jump speed. Remember that the velocity and power of a hyper jump comes before entering warp space, so she had the momentum.

That explanation doesn’t fix anything. Every fight becomes about setting up the proper conditions for your side to use it first.

shields won't work because the explosion that is created when something hits something else at light speed would be so powerful that it would be equal to many nuclear bombs.

They literally FTLed through arriving Star Destroyer in Rogue One. Disney's OWN cannon explain light travel as acceleration to a lightspeed that pushes you into alternate dimension at the same time, the difference is piktoseconds which is those lines you see at the start of the jump. If you'd jump into lightspeed and you'd stay in real space for a tenth of a second, it would tear you to atoms. Their own cannon.

They scrapped EU with the excuse that now they will have story team that will be responsible for continuity, because EU had problems with it, but they are not even able to keep up with their own shit.
Affirmative action quotas in practice, gentlemen.

because they have gravity generators, which doesnt let FTL being used near star destroyers.

Yeah, but this begs the question, "why hasn't it been done before?"

If FTL ramming was a thing then the rebellion could have just rammed the death star to death. Since one x-wing fighter could destroy the entire battle station.

Further why'd the empire even build the death star? it would be more cost effective to just ftl ram ships into planets that dare oppose the empire.

True, but if you can sacrifice a small ship to kill a much larger ship you will win the resulting war of attrition. Your enemy will be forced to switch to smaller, cheaper ships.

Leia did it with the force after realizing was going to do, that dumb dyke didnt know it was impossible as we saw in Rogue One

For the Nth time, if interdictors were a thing in the movieverse they would have been used in multiple battles on screen by now. Therefore they do not exist or are extremely rare.

Oh yeah I remember that. Rogue one at least kept in step with the internal rules of Star Wars.

I had a huge argument with a guy on reddit over this last night. Some people just refuse to see logic.

Say the ship was so massive that it created a gravity well pulling the other ship out of hyper space right on top of it past the shields thus destroying it. Maybe add some mumbo jumbo of how they could aim it just right by locking on to the hyperspace tracker signal to make it a case of oh, their secret weapon and hubris was ultimately the cause of their own downfall and gay shit like that

they have gravity generators which doesnt let FTL being used.

One explanation is that people controlling the mega ship are incooetent and disabled gravity generator

>They literally FTLed through arriving Star Destroyer in Rogue One.
They FTL'd in the space around the ISD in Rogue One. Pause this webm and manually move it forward in time to see where the ships disappear and where the ISD appears from.

So Hux just turned off the gravity generators?

Is the excuse for why this happened just gonna be:

"Hux was an idiot and he turned off the gravity generators on all of the star destroyers cause he thought he was gonna win."

Then space battles will just become about destroy the gravity generator on ships so that FTL ramming can be used.

It's all broken...

Who exactly are the evil and ruthless ones here? The Empire never considered FTL ramming the Resistance into oblivion. The Empire fought with honor. And yet, a purple haired strumpet decides to go to depth of dishonor in battle the Empire has never even conceived of.

well its better explanation that hitting some random shit in death and it all explodes, anyway Star wars is just B-rated movie series with huge budged for cool effects in space fights and Jedi.

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>Can this massive oversight and retroactive plothole be fixed

They would have to remove the movie from canon and make one hell of a big stink about it.

Basically admit they were wrong and pay Lucas AGAIN to save the thing they BOUGHT from him.

So...dont hold your breath.

Go away. If you're not gonna be serious and you're final retort is gonna be:

"Star Wars is stupid anyways so who cares"

For me Star Wars is something serious and is actually high art. It isn't B-rated and is an intelligent franchise. However, apparently Disney doesn't view it that way.

>Why can't they just FTL ram the Uuzha'n?
Because if they do it can tear open the tear in the hyperspace unleashing the N'ahzuu, and no victory is worth that risk.

last 6movies was B-rated with huge budged, OT might have been proper kino, but everything since then is huge joke

Unironically quit thinking about it so much. Of all the shit in star wars, this is not a big deal my man. There are good reasons to use this tactic, and there are bad reasons. Some of which include:

>Far more wasteful than blasters
>1 hyper drive per projectile reather than 1 hyperdrive per battle cruiser with powerful ordinance
>Only cuts through ships, doesn't ensure destruction
>Context of the scene, holdo put herself in a desperate spot and it was about the only effective offensive option she had

The maneuver opens a can of worms, but I don't think the issue tears the star wars fabric worse than other things. Like obi wan not force speeding to save qui gon. Lightsabers themselves. The short, inexplicable timeline of both Luke and Rey's training. Ewoks beating stormtroopers. Luke deciding to appear with Anakin's saber instead of his own.

I'm more butthurt about the last one than the lightspeed ram

But, if it could kill them why not do it? Why not FTL ram the N'ahzuu?

It just seems to me that FTL ramming has become the go to last resort move.

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Couldn’t they just raise the ship’s elevation and simply dodge the hyperspace kamikaze?

>Unironically quit thinking about it so much. Of all the shit in star wars, this is not a big deal my man. There are good reasons to use this tactic, and there are bad reasons. Some of which include:

>Far more wasteful than blasters
>1 hyper drive per projectile reather than 1 hyperdrive per battle cruiser with powerful ordinance
>Only cuts through ships, doesn't ensure destruction
>Context of the scene, holdo put herself in a desperate spot and it was about the only effective offensive option she had

We have literally gone through all of these points, but I shall go through them again since you are late to class.

1. Not more wasteful, less wasteful because 1 ship for all of enemy ships. Saves more lives and preservers resources.
2. 1 hyperdrive is more devastating then an entire fleet of ships blasting one ship. As TLJ has shown us by the FO chasing the raddus.
3. Cuts through ships and renders them useless. The FO fleet was obviously completely destroyed (look at pic)
4. Desperation is not an excuse if FTL ramming was a thing it would logically be the go to strategy.

Use your brain and come up with a REAL solution to this problem or go away.

Listen to yourself:

"Why can't they dodge a ship that is going at LIGHT SPEEDS"

It just isn't plausible.

Couldn’t the Zfo Just choose a ship to evacuate and ram them first?

Pablo Hidalgo has already defended this shit on Twitter. He says it's possible because of the size of Holdo's ship and literally ignores ANY argument about why it hasn't been tried before in thousands of years of hyperspace travel, even something as simple as attaching a ftl drive to an asteroid and using that.

These people are only in it for the money and for appearances. They don't care about internal consistency.

I don’t know if I remember this right, but In the movie the empire detected that holdo was activating the ships hyperspace function thing but they weren’t expecting them to do a kamikaze. In future movies they could reference this scene and simply move the ship before they get hit

Unironically this

Yeah, and that’s precisely why Disney gets no more of my money for their low-effort, uninspired bullshit. Not one dime for anything linked to Disney in any way.

>Pablo Hidalgo
To be fair to Hidalgo, it's literally his job to cover the messes the incompetent Disney directors and producers make. He can't just say "Well because it's stupid and doesn't make any sense"

Listen, if FTL were a thing in Star Wars why wouldn't Hux naturally have defenses against it? You can't say, "well Hux is stupid" because that isn't a good enough answer.

We need to know WHY it has never been used before and if it can happened again.

It's moving at the speed of light, fucknuts. Go outside, trying dodging some photons, and see how that works out for you.

The only answer I can think of is that between the OT and the ST there was an advancement in FTL hyperdrive technology. That in order for FTL ramming to be effective you have to be at a certain distance and at a certain speed before it can reach destructive measures.

Other than that the only answer is that:

"Hux is stupid, Holdo did it out of desperation.. we're sorry... please stop asking us these questions we know we messed up!"

So large battle cruisers are an efficient ordinance now? Yes, let's build multiple huge ships specifically for ramming into fleets. If the rebellion is known for anything, it's having an excess of ships and personnel! No way an enemy would adapt to that, no sir. Surely they won't fan out further, attack from different angles. Ambunsh isn't a thing in star wars right?

You're right, star wars is nothing like real life. In real life, we build ships specifically for ramming to other ships as our first attack vector. We build fleets to throw at other fleets because it just worked so well that one time. I can't believe the star wars series has the gall to approach such ideas for a fantasy story. Don't you get me started on lightsabers, ridiculous!

Like, if the FTL ramming hadn't been that destructive it wouldn't have mattered as much. The fact it destroyed the FO fleet is what makes the problems.

If your argument is that:

"Star Wars is stupid, its a B-rated franchise and it doesn't matter" then why are you here?

Also, you know very well that ramming something like a boat or plane into something is not nearly as destructive as something that going at light speeds. Use your brain.

What's the problem then? Are we upset because they didn't use this tactic before? Are we worried they will use this tactic again?

DJ disabled the shields completely when he left

It's not like space is filled with massive, ship-sized objects just lying around for people to use for free, right? It's not like IRL militaries use unmanned kamikaze airplanes called "missiles" to blow up just about everything, right?

Yes you idiot.

I imagine it'd be near-impossible to aim a ship and hit something at lightspeed, no matter the size.

The complaint is that it doesn't make any sense in-universe. If a single cruiser can do that much damage with a hyperdrive, then it is logical to wonder why battles in the universe don't revolve around taking asteroids, attaching hyperdrives to them, and flinging them at each other. Even a small object going at relativistic speeds would have enough kinetic energy to disable a large cruiser. If your only argument is "lol who cares" then I really do wonder what you are doing here. If you want to be a retard and turn your brain off, then turn your brain off, but don't shout down other people for calling out plotholes.

Yes, he's in it for the money. Either that or obviously his input isn't that valued by Disney. Because the alternate scenario is that if he had ANY idea that this was going to happen in the movie, he'd have said "uhhh no you're about to make every single space battle before this pointless, and all previous military figures into absolute morons." There is virtually no explanation possible for it - if there were, he would have come up with one by now.

The problem stems from the fact that it was already established in ANH that objects in hyperspace can and will interact with objects in real space, but if it has THIS type of effect then this would already be a war tactic. They live in an advanced society where giant ships comprised of nothing more than a giant orb of steel, a droid brain, and a hyperdrive are incredibly feasible and, as seen by TLJ, also highly effective.
So this begs the question of why isn't this common place if it causes that much damage.
If it had just destroyed the wing and nothing else, this wouldn't be tat big of a deal. We always knew it would cause damage, but to cause THAT much damage and not be common place is just stupid.
Especially since we've already seen a warring fraction comprised almost entirely of droids.

Was there an established rule that this couldn't happen?

Btw I heard the excuse that the Empire had shields down, as demonstrated by the scene where Hux yells in panic to turn on the shields. That is cute but the whole point of Finn and JetLi storyline getting Sancho Panza was for him to switch off the shields for few seconds.

Yes, read this comment here.

You're right. That's why we stopped using guns, the bullets moved too fast for us to be able to aim them at people.

In the normal rules of Star Wars, the Empire's ships would have jumped forward and attacked from multiple directions, the premise made in the film was, that space is the same as the Sea, where you can only attack from one plane, where in reality, the Empire could've attacked from beneath, above, or any direction. The whole premise to the film was stupid, utterly stupid. The Greek god himself (pic related) wouldn't have authorized anything so retarded.

Oh my gosh... another plot hole.

Ha Ha good one.

Yes, it all focuses on del Toro. He is a triple agent that gained the trust of the First Order so he could disable their hyperdrive failsafes and allow the Resistance ship to plot a hyperspace course through the First Order Dreadnaught. That’s why nobody did that before, the hyperdrive on YOUR ship prevents other hyperdrives from plotting a course through them, and del Toro disabled it because he is a master code breaker. Screenshot this

Yeah, traveling in a straight line is a huge problem in space.

Literally as soon as the Empire starts chasing the Falcon in TESB, they send two other Destroyers to intercept it.

gravity well projectors, my dude.
It was in legends and is now cannon. It can pull someone out of hyperspace or someone trying to ftl away. So it's not worth the risk.