Where did this historically illiterate meme originate? Our mission was to occupy, and we did. For over a decade. We left when we decided we were done, not before. No one forced us out or overthrew us. The party stopped once we left.
How can anyone POSSIBLY argue the US "lost" in Vietnam? We owned that bitch, then when our she started fussin we started breezin.
That is such bullshit. The last US soldiers were airlifted out as saigon was taken over. You didn't meet your aims, they met theirs, and you left. You lost, they won, get over it.
We failed to fight off and suppress a rebellion mostly fought by a bunch of farmers with bolt action Mosins, SKS, and AK-47s. It's called Ho Chi Minh City, not Saigon.
we totally lost you fucking retard
>despite bombing the whole jungle the Ho Chi Min trail never stopped or got destroyed
>the ARVN trained by US were so utterly useless that they couldn't hold ground
>chinese and Sovjet influence got larger
>US leaving
>South vietnam is getting taken over while US flees the country
>cuckolds in US crying because muh chilluns and war has no public support and got lost on the home front
>lost vietnam
>lost In Iraq
>lost in afghanistan
>his country is being invaded by Islam
:^)
>starts war against rice farmers and goat fuckers
>loses
lol
>Checked
Was originally called Siagon, changed after Ho Chi Minh died.
>The last US soldiers were airlifted out as saigon was taken over.
So? It was "taken over" because we undeployed, and the last troops were at the embassy. Did you think that somehow meant they "conquered their way up to the embassy"?
>You didn't meet your aims
Our aims were to occupy until the South could handle its own stability. It never achieved that. We decided we didn't want to wait around anymore. We left on our own, no one pushed us out.
So, why do leftcucks LOVE the delusion that we lost, somehow? No one conquered us. No one forced us to go.
prove me wrong
>you can't
not an argument
to lose, someone has to defeat you. You're like a mouse who runs out of hiding to scream "AND DONT COME BACK!" at the elephant, after the elephant walks away
>starts war
You mean the Vietminh who invaded from the North, and kicked France out?
Leftcuck education, folks!
>The last US soldiers were airlifted out as saigon was taken over
No. The US Military pulled out of Vietnam in 1972.
Saigon fell to the NVA in 1975. The images you're talking about are just the fucking US Embassy evacuating. That isn't remotely the same thing as what you're trying to suggest.
>You didn't meet your aims, they met theirs\
The US's goal was to get North Vietnam to sign a peace treaty, in which the independence of both North and South Vietnam would be guaranteed. The North signed that treaty in 1972, and the US left Vietnam after that. Three years later, with no US forces left in the country. the north reneged on the treaty, invaded the south, and completely overran it before any response by the US could be organized.
The US achieved its goal. But after it left, it lacked the political will enforce the treaty. Which is certainly a failing in itself. But its certainly not down to them losing a fight.
We didn't lose the fighting, but we lost the outcome. So it IS a loss, but not a military one.
Traitors are first to burn in the neo crusades.
Thank you, based leaf.
Yeah, I mean it's now named in honor of Ho Chi Minh, that's the biggest tell that we lost Vietnam without a doubt.
>your children recite Islamic pledges
>your children are learning Arabic
>your signs will soon be in Arabic
>your people and your country will not stop the invasion
>you do not have a gun to defend yourself or your family
>speaking out against most of this is thoughtcrime
i feel for you bro
You did lose.
By shooting yourself in the foot no less.
Terrible US 'tards didn't comprehend the power of propaganda at the time, and allowed the press to actually show what the soldiers were doing.
Soldiers and civilians think completely differently. Civilians are raised to be complacent and therefore easy to control (with little ability to fight back), this is why militaries say they need to break you down to built you back up - it's psychologically removing the civvy conditioning.
This is important because what soldiers were doing to prevent people from murdering them, was seen as horrific acts of cruelty (admittedly some were) by the civvies.
The civvies then applied political pressure the the US gov, ultimately forcing the US to pull out.
Essentially, you shot yourself in the foot because you failed at propaganda. You lost from self-inflicted wounds mate.
Uh oh, this here white American sounds terribly concerned!
Thanks for you concern, white American :^)
You tried to stop south Vietnam becoming communist. That was the aim of US involvement. It became communist.
>Starts war
>Loses
Every god dam time. Hopefully the war against those immigrants will finally be a win? :^)
When you LOST the battle of Saigon and you the city FELL, US soldiers sprinted to helicopters to get them the hell out of there.
You LOST the final battle. The enemy WON the final battle.
You LOST.
>thousends americans die
>few millions gooks die
>US goes away
>commie chinks win
not hard to understand
New theory:
>America can't win a war without the support of Russia, UK and France
The US didn't lose in a military senaste of the word, you actually won initially.
Operation Linebacker II pasted the gooks to paste in Hanoi despite the Soviet union sent satte of the art missiles to protect the north.
This eventuellt led to the Paris Peace Accords, a peace treaty which meant that the US was no longer needed in South Vietnam.
The problem was that the US tought the word of the russians and their puppets in Hanoi could be trusted, as soon as the US left, the communists started hostilities again.
The second problem was that the leftist in the congress blocked any attempt to fulfill the obligations USA had in the peace accords and as such the south was left to the jackals.
m.youtube.com
Linebacker II raid, each blue dot is a three ship flight.
Notice how many missile launches where reported and that only two planens where hit.
>that's the biggest tell that we lost Vietnam without a doubt
sorry, i know there are lots of cucks on this board, but they took the city 2 years after we left. We didn't get defeated, so we didn't lose that war.
Sorry cucks.
I know Ahmed, you love your pozzed leftist narratives, where the great satan is brought low by all the combined forces of shitskins around the world, but we didn't lose and you can't prove otherwise.
US Army worst military in the world ? Took 11 Nations to defeat us. America loses to dirtpoor farmers with bows hahahahaha
>Americans revising history to make themselves look better
Never seen this before
>US goes away
>commie chinks win
To win a war, you have to defeat the enemy. Squatting in the empty territory your enmy left behind =/= winning a war. It just means you're a hobo.
Nothing of that is happening, at least not where I live.
US is a way bigger shithole than Germany could ever be.
>40 million niggers in US
>commifornia and texas are already overrun with mexicans with like 20 million of them
lol
Your aim was to stop the South from becoming communist. The south became communist. You lost, Burgerbro. That doesn't mean you have to like it.
>pozzed
#POZZED
>we're in the process of hopefully building a wall and evicting illegals
>concerned Germans are unsuccessfully voting AfD and moving to Hungary
pls
>Germany
kek
See
Quit being uneducated yurocucks
Praise be to Allah, savior of Deutschlandistan
>we're in the process of hopefully building a wall and evicting illegals
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Our mission was to occupy
South or North Vietnam? If South, then you failed to occupy an allied country, if North, you failed to even get close to their capital.
I don't know but we, North Vietnam, have won for sure. And I assume you don't think of it as a win-win situation?
KEK
>Your aim was to stop the South from becoming communist
no, it to force the north to sign a treaty recognizing the south, and to give the south a chance to strengthen until it could defend itself. We accomplished both. Then the North invaded 2 years after we left.
We're not God, so we didn't snap our fingers and make the commies obey their own treaties.
Sorry cucks, I know this is your favorite story, but you were lied to by gay commie kike teachers in school.
What is a Military win worth when you don't manage to win the political side?
All the Americans who died in Vietnam died for NOTHING.
Whatever they accomplished wasn't worth shit.
Same in Iraq, you pull out and the enemy wins.
Winning would have been if South Vietnam stayed independant and in the influence of the west.
Also destabilising the north and stopping/destroying the insurgency.
Nothing of hat was achieved, so it was a loss.
Are you mad that a few rice farmers were able to hold the line and kick you out?
Chinks maybe uncreative but they are resilient and cunning. US lost militarily and strategically.
>LMAO
>checked
hello, ctr
hello, ctr's coworker
Your mission was to prevent Vietnam from becoming commie, which you failed at. Don't beat yourself over it, at least you won south Korea
>hello, ctr
Hello :^)
>his country is being invaded by black dick
Ftfy
vietnamese are some hard core fuckers, love them
Hello loser of Vietnam
its ok america. dont feel so bad. better luck next time.
>How can anyone POSSIBLY argue the US "lost" in Vietnam?
Because you lost many good folks on a questionable war, you corroded your public's trust, not to mention the worlds trust. The people who survived the war came back broken.
War is about gaining more than you lost. USA lost a whole lot.
USA didn't really gain anything from Vietnam. At least in the middle east you guys secured oil and other resources.
...
>aims
And what aims were those mr britbong?
If the North had not won the war, do you think we would have been united one way or another?
>checked three dubs in a row
>one's admitting ctr, other is reiterating something i admitted earlier
you guys are wasting dubs, stop this nonsense
user, We won the war of physical combat but we lost the intended objective of stopping the unification of Vietnam under the communist north.
Praise moloch
The mission was to stop the spread of communism.
It spread.
I'm afraid we would be divided like the Korean Peninsula. But with less insane North and crappier South (think Thailand)
Yes, Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf, former Iraqi Information Minister, is very much similar to yourself, making ridiculous brags about how the Americans got their asses kicked, contrary to the plainly evident facts.
>Yes
Thanks for agreeing with me, took you long enough :^)
>If the North had not won the war
You only won by agreeing to stop fighting, signing a treaty, then waiting for us to leave.
Doesn't sound like winning, sounds like stealing car stereos. Fucking southern asians are niggers.
That's moving the goal post, my friend. If America wasn't there to defend the Southern Vietnam, then what were they doing? 50000 deaths for what purpose?
Has The US actually ever clearly and fairly won any war?
It is always struggling against dirt poor farmer peasants or cave dwellers, dropping nukes and committing air crimes, joining when Russia already won just so they can steal the spoils, having the French win the war, etc.
There has not been a single war that the US has fairly won on its own besides the Civil War, and we fought that against ourselves and freed the slaves without shipping them back to Africa because we are idiots.
see
>USA didn't really gain anything from Vietnam.
>doesn't know how proxy wars works
>probably thinks the sad shape of 2nd world powers(former powers), compared to 1st world powers, is just a weird coincidence
How does it feel to be that uninformed, does it hurt, or is it blissful ignorance ?
only because the new democrat president refused to keep resupplying the south like congress had voted and promised to do. get educated newfag.
It was Germany against the world after the Italians left. Sure, you had foreign volunteer divisions like the based Frenchmen who fought till the bitter end. When they were captured at the war's end, a French general asked why they wore German uniforms as Frenchmen; they, in turn, asked him why he wore an American uniform.
Also, don't forget the based Spaniards. Many fought even after they were evacuated by the Spanish government. Their battle cry was literally "We bring God" since the Russian "godless heaven" was in the middle of a period of hardcore state atheism.
Thoughts?
I'm gonna go ahead and play doubles advocate and say that the air war above vietnam and cambodia was probably the largest mobilization of modern conventional forces since desert storm.
Unnecessary war. A small irrelevant third-world shithole was seen as a threat.
>play doubles advocate
lmao
They lost a couple million gooks, and we lost about 58,000. The NVA got blown the fuck out. They capitulated as soon as we started Op Linebacker/Op Rolling Thunder under Nixon.
Nixon did the politically expedient thing at the time and pulled us out. Thus, ending a conflict started by the Democrats -- back when they had the balls to kill people indiscriminately with full deployments.
Note: I had 3 family members serve with distinction in this war.
If you call it a loss that is your right but in my mind we slowed those commie fucks down - now they play nice and trade with us.
It's easy you lost.
Vietmong should be under both
The vietnam war wasn't a real war in the conventional way. It was one of the many proxy-battles in the war for world domination against the sovjets.
That war, you did win. But you lost the battle in Vietnam.
Why didn't you guy do it in the first place? We didn't want commie, we only want our independence from the France.
>Has The US actually ever clearly and fairly won any war?
The majority of them:
>1776
>1812 (thought it cost us)
>Mexican-American war
>Spanish-American War
>Japanese American War
>We kind of sort of stole the British empire from our ally after WWII, so it's kind of sort of like winning
>Vietnam
>Iraq, both times
>Cold War
The correct question would be "have we ever lost". I don't recall the US president ever signing surrender terms, ever. Don't be an idiot, stop listening to leftist lies about history.
>They lost a couple million gooks, and we lost about 58,000.
Oh, so we won in Afghanistan then.
Like I said, the US lacking the political will to enforce the treaty they'd fought for is a failing in itself.
But don't delude yourself into think you "pushed them out." The US left because it accomplished its goal. The fact that they weren't willing to come back years later when the north broke the treaty is an entirely separate matter.
Don't delude yourself into thinking the US couldn't have enforced the treaty either, had it had the political will to do so.
>Cold War
did we really win user? look at the influence of Marxism
ftfy
I thought you did? They didn't kick you out did they? You left because you economy was collapsing.
>Like I said, the US lacking the political will to enforce the treaty they'd fought for is a failing in itself
nyeah, you're just endlessly moving the goalpost
pic is fake. you could not remove your helmet on the moon because there was not enough oxygen in the air.
War is not only fought on the battlefield. I admit that if America had wanted it, they could had crushed us easily. In fact, back then we had estimated that we could only finally take over the South 10 years later, in the 1980s. But I say, even if it had taken us hundreds of years to unify with our brothers, we would still fight until the very end.
Thoughts?
ok, i'll admit we probably lost that one, cultural marxism won the cold war
Lol.
Minoru Yamasaki designed the twin towers, Ahmed.
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If you switch it around, and replace German with Durka, it would be great.
>You left because you economy was collapsing.
I have no idea why people think that. Troops were withdrawn because Gorbachev became the leader and started his attempt to reboot USSR as a democratic federation. That meant improving relations with the West, including ending the Afghan intervention. And the war was kind of going nowhere.
>to reboot USSR as a democratic federation.
did they ever have a free and valid election, like in America, or was it the usual crap where the ruling party decided who would win?
>did they ever have a free and valid election, like in America
Of course not, by definition only America can have free and valid elections.
>I have no idea why people think that.
Gorbachev and glasnost being one of the "3 pillars of collapse", the other two worked like dominoes: loss of military prestige, leading to political destabilization over the revelation of economic cancer. So, while the war itself didn't bankrupt you, it drew public attention to corruption and incompetence of the communist party for the first time.
The rest was a chain reaction.
>afghan-web.com
faculty.washington.edu
Vietnam was the first example of Americans training allies to fight a war American-style without America-type assets to back it up. The US Army had modern long-range arty to install in firebases defended by heli-borne infantry and state-of-the-art aircraft. If whupping up on charlie cost a dozen wrecked choppers and 100's of jet sorties that was just the cost of doing business, a regular Tuesday for Uncle Sam. When the Americans packed up, the southies were left with an army trained to fight a war they couldn't afford, so when Congress stopped aid to the South they started loosing bad. The Communists kept supplying the North with guns that out-ranged the South's surplus arty and slowly but surely they rolled up all the old bases and the rest of the country.
>invites goat fuckers into home
>loses everything forever
I can't even lol, it's sad
>But I say, even if it had taken us hundreds of years to unify with our brothers, we would still fight until the very end.
That I don't doubt.
And frankly, I think the US fucked up by not telling France fuck off out of Asia in the 1940s. France as an ally bailed the US out once in 1781, and they've been basically useless ever since.
Ho Chi Minh didn't give a fuck about communism, he just wanted an independent Vietnam. And he approached the US for help on that first, and offered to let them build huge military bases outside Haiphong and Hanoi, and go digging for oil, in exchange for just getting the French to fuck off. The US refused, so he turned to the commies for help instead.
That refusal by the US is probably the biggest diplomatic fuck up in the entire 20th century. Both countries would have been much better off today if not for that. Vietnam wouldn't have lost millions of people to war, wouldn't have gotten carpet bombed, wouldn't have to deal with all the communist bullshit. The US would have had the lucrative trading partner that Vietnam now is 50 years earlier, wouldn't have blown billions on an ultimately fruitless war, and would still have a major military presence in the area to contain China, who wouldn't be able to swing their dick around so cavalierly like they are now. Hell, even the shit that happened in Cambodia probably wouldn't have happened.
Such a mess, all because Truman wanted to be nice to the Frenchies for no fucking reason.
Could be worse though. At least your country isn't run by cucks...
You tried to start a war and take over countries like it was the 1300s still. Shut up.
Also US pretty much stopped all you fucks from fighting eachother since ww2 pretty much up until the all you assholeswanted to do is play risk. Now we only fight the wars as you guys act like civil bitches now.
>tradeu
>chuckt all the feme nazis
>thinking they destroy the patriarchi
>still following a man
>like its custom for women
>the man on top the pyramid and
>thousend of unshaved crazy cat bitches
>Laying to his feet.
FTW you necer chuck feme nazis so hard they dont see they follow a patriarch.
Ftw you never have the satisfaction seeing ther dumb shit faces when relizing that.
Why live.....