Aside from Tokenism and Race what does he bring to the table

Aside from Tokenism and Race what does he bring to the table

>Speed?
>Magic?
>Invisibility/Stealth?

He's an athletic combatant with a battle suit and the financial resources of a small nation.

he's African Bruce Wayne.

A retarded nation that makes less fucking sense than TF2 Australia.

He looks like handsome squidward

What does anyone "bring to the table"? He's a skilled superhuman fighter, he's one of the smartest scientists on the Earth, he's the leader of a powerful city-state.

>Retarded nation becomes a technologically advanced superpower thanks to magical ass-pull metal
Damn, never made that connection.

Basically everything Captain America has, plus way better technology. The downside is that he can't make the patriotic speeches to inspire everyone else.

You know what I'm getting sick of? The whole "Token Black" "Le Diversity purpose black guy" Myth Sup Forums has been spewing all over this site now.

I was ok with it on fucking Sup Forums because what video games have become now it's pretty suspicious, but, Sup Forums and Sup Forums? No, that's bullshit. Literally every single "Token" black character Sup Forums has been bitching about have existed before there fucking fathers were born. What if, now here me out, these "black" characters are GOOD FUCKING CHARACTERS with ACTUALLY GOOD BACKSTORIES AND DESIGNS???!
>inb4 Sup Forumsmblr

No, I've had enough. Go fuck yourself OP.

At least Australians share and trade their shit with the world. All we get to explain Wakanda being super rich and successful despite never trading with anyone and existing in the Shit part of Africa is "it just works, shut up".

He's Namor if you want someone as brutally pragmatic as Namor, but don't want someone who is as big an asshole as Namor.

Sup Forumsmblr get out

But we're talking about black Panther, who is niether of those things.

T'Challa is great, go fuck yourself you little contrarian neo-nazi shit.

so he is the party's ninja?

>Literally every single "Token" black character Sup Forums has been bitching about have existed before there fucking fathers were born.
Except for Miles, Tanya, Riri, Duke, and black Wally.

Nothing, he is an absolutely boring character, his best moments where in books were he wasn't the main character.

BP is the team's stealth guy. He's not as strong as Captain America, not as martially adept, nor is he as charismatic. However he comes a close second. However one thing he excels at is pulling a Batman.

Forgetting the Moongirl, you fucking racist-sexist?

I was only listing characters with a potential for good stories.
Yes I did forget her, and I'm upset with myself because I had a nagging feeling that there was one more and spent five minutes trying to remember before giving up.

The roblem is...he dosen't bring anything to the table, someone else dosen't already have.

Magic:Thor
Peak performance/no power combatant:Captain America, Black widow, and Hawkeye.
Sneaking around:Black widow.
Money:Iron man.
Nation behind him:Thor.
Technology:Iron man.

The thing is...however. He dosen't bring anything new to the table, but he's pretty much a jack of all trades. He can fight similar to iron man in skill, with a high level of tech/money like iron man, has a nation behind him, and can do magic like thor, and is pretty good at stealth like black widow. He's the tight end.

Ask any batfag why Bruce Wayne is part of the Justice League when Superman exists.

A lot of fucking money.

Hahahaha you think that Sup Forums come here hahaha, you are an idiot.

Dumb post

Yeah, more or less.

This is fucking stupid

That's like saying wonder woman is pointless because Superman is already the strong guy

he will probably replace thor

sadly

>wonder woman
she has fighting skills

she's more of a Aquaman redundant than superman

Diversity

>Nation behind him:Thor.
If by "behind him" you mean "providing him with a steady stream of Norse-themed villains to fuck his shit up", then sure.

This

He's Batman + Captain America tier athletics (the potion you drink to become Black Panther makes you superhuman like Cap's serum)

Black Panther, Luke Cage and Falcon actually were literally created because Stan Lee wanted to get more black readers. Likewise, Tigra, Night Nurse and Ms. Marvel were created solely to get female readers around the same time.

A lot of these characters were indeed made as "tokens" to get more money. It didn't stop them from becoming great characters, of course. But in comics they have a long history of being created for financial purposes first.

Super soldier serum only makes you "peak human" like Batman, as does Panther's herb.

>Batman
>Peak Human

He can still get his ass kicked by Bronze Tiger or Lady Shiva. And in their crossover he acknowledged Steve would beat him when they had a face off.

In spite of what the Iron-dick sucking movies told you, Panther and Wakanda actually supplied most of the technology the Avengers had in the comics, such as the quinjets and any custom vehicles.

You type like Tommy Wiseau

Oh hi carol

I thought they suppiled most of the raw materials

I thought they just mined the quarry

africans do enjoy the herb

Making up a fictional black country to say SEE AFRICA CAN BE SUCCESSFUL is not well written and is a piss-poor backstory.

He made a bunch of white characters to get white kid money, I don't see how making some black characters to get black kid money is any different

>he hasn't read Priest's run
I pity you.

Not that user, but are you saying the premise isn't well written or that any of the stories from the premise can ever be well written?

No he made a bunch of white characters because that was the base normal when he started making comics. When he realized that these characters only appealed to white people he made black characters.

You really don't understand why people talk about Straight White Male being considered the base, and why that may or may not be a problem, do you? I mean, you really have no fucking clue what that whole argument is actually about.

The premise isn't well written when there is no justification for it. See Wakanda is successful because Wakanda is successful. That's the explanation. The end. All the comics do is suck their dick and say how dumb and churlish everyone else is, even though they're the most arrogant pieces of shit ever.

They could have at least done it based on an actual nation like Ethiopia, which came THIS close to breaking Africa's failure streak. But it fell apart after Haile Sellaisse died cause he couldn't modernize them fast enough

>You really don't understand why people talk about Straight White Male being considered the base, and why that may or may not be a problem, do you?

Not that user but no, I've never gotten this. Because i'm not a fucking racist with self confidence issues. It's not my problem Black People see THEMSELVES as not the base. This is internalized.

>even though they're the most arrogant pieces of shit ever.
I could've sworn Priest said something similar.

You know this shit isn't real, right?

OP himself isn't real

hawkeye is the ranger, marksman

>Black Widow
CASUAL
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Magic Warrior: Thor
Superman = Cap
Tech/Money = Tony
Infiltration/Stealth = Widow
Marksman/weapon = Hawkeye

Nuke this shit up pham = Hulk

To be fair, Lady Shiva, Bronze Tiger, and above all, Richard Dragon, are basically superhuman.

I could see Dragon giving Deathstroke trouble.

He's richer than Bruce Wayne and enjoys actual diplomatic immunity.

Wakanda does trade in the MCU, they just hide the advanced part from the rest of the world.

I prefer that people know it exists but don't know the rest version. They're isolationist, they isolate and don't support the rest of the world, I thought people liked selfish nations.

So how does Black Panther justify dicking around with the Avengers to his people? Isn't he supposed to be Wakanda's king?

Barbarian = Thor
Shield kinght = Cap
Thinker/gadgetry = Tony
Assasin = Widow
Archer/Sinper = Hawkeye
Berserker = Hulk

I wonder why widow doesn't have any poison ability

depends on how they write him
the problem isn't with him, it's that every other character has been assigned a specific role because that's what the popular movies put them as
He doesn't bring one specific thing to the table, which is seen as a bad thing, but the fact that he's so multifaceted would be a good thing IRL
Tokenism is the only thing he brings to the table, and they can't exploit that for obvious reasons, they can't just use him to solve diplomatic disputes (also, he has his own countries politics to worry about)

Widow has her stingers, wrist mounted multi-payload weapons. They're like Batmans Utility belt.

Widow's Line - Retractable grappling hook and cable connected to the gauntlets, mostly used for rooftop gliding, rappelling and climbing up steep cliffs and hills.
Widow's Kiss - An aerosol instant knock-out drug, pioneered by Russian Spetsnaz. When used it appears to be purplish pink fumes that can knock out a person for more than twenty hours.
Widow's Bite - A high frequency electrostatic charge that also act as percussive energy blasts, that it effects can be felt for at least a month. It can deliver charges up to 30,000 volts. The "Bite" can be set to deliver minor shocks that causes stunning or high voltage currents that can be lethal.
Explosives - There are many types of explosives stored in the gauntlet which includes grenades and other types of explosives that can cause damage to an opponent.
Tear Gas Pellets - There is also tear in the gauntlet that can cause blindness when released. It can also cause the opponent to be knocked unconscious.
Radio Transmitter - This enable Widow to lock on to a target and track its every move. If placed on a moving vehicle like a car or bike, it enables Widow to track down their location.

Those sound like fighting game attacks.
>Widow's Kiss!
>Widow's Kiss
>Widow's Kiss
>Widow's Kiss!

Stories of him destroying your mother's twat.

This is almost too subtle.

Batman with enchansed senses and powerful armor and weapons instead of bullshitting around with batarangs and spandex. And after the last Ultimates comic, apparently he can get super high and ascend the planes as a Panther spirit.

Ironman is already the batman?

only America is allowed to be selfish and isolationist, everything else belongs to America

That's what miles and riri did, he brought vibranium mines into use.

How can Tony Stark run a multi-national corporation while dicking around with the Avengers?

>bronze age
>iron age
>steel age
Huh really makes you think

Probably leader of his own City
Just like Submariner or Aqua man.

From what I can tell...
He's a super scientist with the available usage of a super battle suit [Iron Man]
He has access to the political ties of the world while also being athletic, nimble, and fucking nimble as an assassin [Black Widow]
He's a symbol to his nation and kicks ass protecting it while using super exotic rare materials [Captain America]
He also has the ability to use mystical powers [Thor].

He does everything as ONE super hero. The fact that he's black is a bonus (however you look at it). It's like cellphones today. If we reworded your question it'd be the same thing, 10ish years ago.

Aside from CONVENIENCE and TECH-BONERS what does iPhones bring to the table?

>Cameras?
>Internet?
>Calls?
>Apps?
>Entertainment?
>GPS?

And now that I've typed that I realized that had already made this point. I'm still posting this though.

Depends partly on the series. In A:EMH, he was basically the show's Gary Sue; better Tech than Iron Man, better Charles Atlas Superpowers than Captain America, better Magic than Thor.

In the comics? Generally he's basically Black Captain America with Iron Man level cash and sometimes technology to go with.

Seriously, I get the desire for good black superheroes, but Wakanda is a frigging mess of a nation that absolutely reeks of positive discrimination.

Wakanda is cast in the same mold as Atlantis or El Dorado, its nothing to do with 'proving' anything. Throughout Kirby and Lee's work with stuff like Attilan we can see that they thought advanced secret civilizations were cool, so repeated the trope.

thats nice but we already have those archetypes

anything else thats unique to him only

>the females have mustaches

Ebin
Steve is above human.

Well he has control over Tiger God capable of ripping apart the laws that dictate reality.

Too OP, pls nerf

It gives absolute maximum in human potential. He has strength of ten men, able to perform at peak levels for hours on end. Captain America would leave Usain Bolt in the dust in a 100m dash, while continuing on at that speed to win the 10km. He would be the guy who would break the WR in weight lifting rather easily. Lastly you know the female gymnasts? How acrobatic they are? Captain America would make them look like they're toddlers playing around on jungle gym.

Batman might be at Olympic peak. He's no Captain America. Until recently when in Rebirth he was ressurected using the same magic metals that Court Of Owls uses for ressurecting their Talons. Whom are probably at Captain America levels seeing how Batman is physically overpowered.

The advanced shitnis all they have going for them though. Without that, they have nothing worth trading for.

>It's another "I'm going spam knockout gas" Black Widow player
You're a cancer, kill yourself

black panther is basically a better iron man because writers can't shit on him like they do with tony without being accused of racism

Why is Sup Forums so obsessed with blacks and trying to prove they're better than them? It's like Vegeta telling everyone he's a prince while Goku is a low class but we all know Goku can kick his ass.

I realized how pathetic Sup Forums was when I saw some Sup Forumsack rattle off some health statistics about blacks off the top of his head. How and why do you know that? It's fucking weird.

>smarter than Tony
>Richer than Tony
>stronger and faster than Captain America

The real question is why are Tony and Steve still part of the Avengers when he can replace them easily

What if I told you that everything ever created in comics was created for financial purposes first?

Inferiority complex.

>smarter than Tony
Nope, he just has more common sense than Tony.
>stronger and faster than Captain America
Faster maybe but he has never been stronger than Cap

read some comics nigga. He is a better scientist than Tony, he solves a lot of science that Tony can't. Hell, he can hack all of Tony's gadgets easily.

Cap is peak human, Black Panther is peak human AND enhanced by magic. Panther is stronger than Cap

We need proofs of these
That's why I'm asking what does he bring that's unique only to him if you already have tony and steve

He's the equivalent of Captain America+Batman
The suit plus the enhanced agility and athleticism, which I shit you not comes from fucking herbs
He's also bulletproof and owns a fucking country
He alone can fund any avengers or otherwise escapades or whatever

>In a world
>Where America's greatest soldier is a result of drugs
>America's greatest scientists are an alcoholic engineer and a cancer ridden gamma radiation specialist
>The literal devil makes pacts with someone to make them into an acolyte of the actual representation of vengeance personified who goes rouge and destroys the underworld
>Where a kid bitten by a spider can bench press hundreds of tons
And a technologically advanced African country is honestly your concern?

>go fuck yourself you little contrarian neo-nazi shit.

you dumb cunts calling everyone who disagrees with you a neo-nazi or a nazi is why charlottesville happened.

>Wakanda is 800,000 years older than Homo Sapiens
>Is years more advanced than the rest of the world
>Black Panther is richer than the rest of the world
>Is a better scientist than Tony
>Is a better athlete than Cap
At this point, T'Challa should be called "Gary Stu".

>We need proofs of these
Read a fucking comic, it's shown in dozens of comics. Have you never heard of the Heart Shaped Herb?

He's African Batman. Also, this is like asking why the fuck is Kate Bishop called to help out when they already have Hawkeye, or asking Shazam for help when you already have Superman. Because the more the merrier. If you have more than one genius on your team or more than one ninja, you can be a more efficient team. He brings his own skills and shit to help all the other skillful shits. Did you make this post asking sincerely or is this some race baiting bullshit from someone who's probably never read a fucking Black Panther comic before?

>why the fuck is Kate Bishop called to help out when they already have Hawkeye,
Because she is the real Hawkeye.

>But in comics they have a long history of being created for financial purposes first.
Stan Lee understood that you have to write at least half decent stories to make a character beloved.

Modern Marvel expects us to love them first, because...?

I'm not racist in the least, but apparently it seems to be that they expect us to love them because they're brown.

Realistically yeah you're totally right, but these are comics and movies with limited screentime/pages. Characters are already at odds with each other to have any spotlight at all. In the context of a super team, Most of the time, the spotlight comes in the form of a character overcoming some obstacle that the other characters would have significantly more trouble overcoming. To have redundancy in skill set like that makes characters step on each other's toes for that spotlight, resulting in neither character getting enough time to shine.

You're a moron. No matter how many times your kind called feminists/Obama supporters etc Nazis, even the worst and most vile of them never decided to embrace it.

Some get way too found of communism, but they seem to leave that foolishness online.

You don't need new for everything. Redundancy is good for a high powered team in the event one member can't do something.

They could have farming and stuff, not every trade is about weapons.