Why are men dropping out of society?

Why are men dropping out of society?

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No incentive.
No decent women, can't start a family. Easy gibs from government

people nowadays need to fulfill minority programmes, hence women are being picked above men in more and more cases

What?

Mostly mental illness for me.
And it's overwhelming everything I'd have to do to have a shot at having a decent future and a family.
I just want peace now.

why should I? to get married and then get divorced? to start a family and have some whore take my children after divorce? I'll just live for myself tbqh

you city boys do, i just got off work

Like it or not men are creatures of incentive. When you remove incentive to work, men will tend to not work.

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itt a bunch of manbabies blame women for their problems

All creatures are creatures of incentive bro

In all nations where unemployment became a serious problem, where many men, desperate and in the prime of their lives, were completely out of work with nothing to do, there was revolt.

This is a problem that can not be ignored for much longer, not without a complete societal collapse and violent upheaval, if worthwhile labour is not going to materialize there will be violence.

School system geared towards females and current form feminism that is about imitation of men. So women try to replace men in white collar. At the same time some traditional blue collar male works like factory work has moved out of US.

Women want to be paid like men just not work as hard.

To be honest, I actually liked work.

When it was work.
Millennial. Had a few good years before it went to shit. Now pretty much every manual labour job is the same. Some way they get to electronically monitor you and if you take 30 seconds to correct and health and safety issues, expect to be called into to office and basically sit their while they imply you are lazy.

Yeah, and I was top of my team performance-wise. I like work.
I dislike being micromanaged, second guessed, having to explain every second unaccounted for - all to absentee management that can't take 2 seconds themselves to check their work area.

Top-performer and getting called in to the office every single fucking day. Not to mention unfair job rotation and putting me in the worst areas to sabotage my performance (they needed people to quit).

If "work" meant WORK, I'd happily do it.
When "work" means "damned if I do, damned if I don't" then fuck it, I'mma be a lazy cunt.

The only upside is that my actions in retaliation lead to a manager being forced to step down. Wasn't actually the one responsible, but he was still a dick anyway.

Want people to be productive, stop wasting their time with shitty bureaucracy, paperwork and "disciplinaries" unless it's actually fucking called for.
That fucking simple.

Hell, work is the only thing that brings balance to my life so I don't go insane. I enjoy it for the most part. Even if I won the lottery I'd have to work part time. I can't understand people who don't want to work.

women ruining everything again

women are unironically better at working grinding mid level office jobs, as well as healthcare other than doctors, and those two categories are the two biggest sectors of our economy. my mom is a manager at an advertizing firm and she told me of the ten people on her staff all are women, she deliberately doesn't hire men because they are just ill suited for marketing, social networking, whatever it is fucking modern non-STEM jobs do

men aren't leaving society, society is leaving men

nice description of women in power and bureaucratic rule

yes women are great at pretending to work while staring at cat gifs and talking shit on eachother
get a male in there and he automates half of them in a couple months

1. Men realize the male gender role is a form of slavery.
2. Society only cares about Women right now.

This is a form of discrimination.
You are no better than the KKK.

Nah, not this time. All we do now is bitch on the Internet. We've been pacified with video games and porn. And we find interesting things to do, especially thanks to the Internet. Lots of stuff to read, forums to post on, opensource projects to contribute to, etc. Just not anything with much societal impact or responsibilities. And most importantly, we've been demonized by the rest of society. We are harmless.

I work part time, earn enough to support my lifestyle and I'm much happier for it. What's the point in doing more? Literally no incentive and I'd just get taxed to shit to pay for immigrants and other stupid bullshit. If our society shits on us (white males), and then expects us to work ourselves to death for zero incentive, they've got another thing coming. I really don't know how many guys live like me, but I'd recommend it.

I could see that being true. I work in a technical field and only have to deal with machines or computers. I love troubleshooting. I HATE people equally. Most of the time I do not have anyone to turn to when figuring something out. The rewards is finding the fucking problem out and knowing the majority can't.

>Some way they get to electronically monitor you and if you take 30 seconds to correct and health and safety issues, expect to be called into to office and basically sit their while they imply you are lazy.
This is a serious growing problem in every workplace now, every single aspect of your job is subject to metrics, monitoring minute changes in nigh irrelevant statistics regarding employee work ethic.

Every week in my workplace we have a "metrics review" in which we go over these computer-monitored timers and scrutinize every single tiny fucking overage in time spent on a task regardless of whether or not it was justified. Metrics dominate the workplace, there is zero room for delay, whether it be due to a simple mistake or due to the fact that you were doing something like cleaning up a spill when you should have been doing something else. It is absolutely absurd, completely inhuman and it sets these impossible standards that no other worker in the history of fucking mankind ever had to live up to.

Computerization and automation has absolutely fucked the modern workplace.

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Are you that dude from /soc/?

you say that as a joke, but that's exactly how modern offices work (as far as i can tell)

the real crisis isn't that men are dropping out, it's that half of our gdp is a fucking farce, there's some kind of national make work program, if only productive activity was paid we'd have 50% unemployment.

men, particularly blue collar men, are just the first wave of the end of labor, our society can't pretend to keep paying people to cat gif when machines can do pretty much everything at this point

You fucking bet!

Lazy, entitled faggots

>the real crisis isn't that men are dropping out

Pornography

It's like a drug and though it makes you feel good for a moment it turns you into a pathetic beta male. Women can literally smell if you masturbate to porn.

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Because their parents let them lounge around the house playing League of Legends and not working until they're 36

There is a bright side.


My company has alot of immigrants and in a recent survey they fucked with the company many of them saying that they were "white men".

The company had us sit in presentations on why we shouldn't lie and how it affects their taxes if they don't have any diversity.

We're literally costing them money for fucking us over., setting them up to look like legit nazis and everything.

We also recently got a new CEO who is blaming the companies recent failures on... LOW MORALE in our department (logistics), so the upper managers in our place (especially after my complaints send to HQ) are shitting themselves.

I hope they lose their jobs to be honest.
Damn near forced enough of us to quit.

The free market works this shit out. Wouldn't worry that much. Just grind it out and develop a thick skin. People used to have that inherently, because by the time they were 18 they'd been working for a decade. I didn't have my first real, full-time, career-job until I was over 25.

Well why the fuck not? I get 100 1mg xanors (i think it is called xanax in america) in a week from doctor and my daily dose of medikinet is 100mg (that is the pharmacy amphetamine for adhd). I have enough money to buy beer daily and i can make nice cocktails with those legal pharmacy drugs and alcohol. Why should i give shit about feminists and immigrants when i can be legally so high that i have never reached the same level of highness with illegal stuff.

You shouldn't have been born wrong, you fucking white male, you.

The decadence of the civilization and the inevitable fall of it.

They're just waiting for their time to build a new one.

Sadly most of them will die before that...

This is complete bullshit pseudoscience promulgated by Christcucks. It's as credible as creation theory and people riding dinosaurs.

Also
>Men have an alternative to women.
>"It's still the man's fault somehow!!"

Women will always be greedy narcissists and never take responsibility for anything. So why should men? I want my part of the gravy train. I don't want to serve some roastie.

Why do shills pollute our board of peace with contextless, meaningless, open-ended one-posts?
Saged and hidden.

Just wait, it's going to get bad if things don't change, these growing rates of unemployment (real unemployment, not government manipulated statistics that don't count people who have simply given up looking for work entirely etc...) are going to be the death of western civilization as we know it.

We don't live in a different world, we are just like any other people in any other time in any other place and our society will face the same consequences as others who made the same mistakes in the past. We can not assume that just because we have technology we can avoid catastrophe, never has technology saved a civilization from a crisis like this.

Our society is breaking down

This happens after a society has enough wealth and comfort for a while. Like an old animal it just stops working and slowly grinds to a halt and dies.

The remains decay and lay the foundation for new life

We are still in the early stages luckily none of us will live to see the real bad times

You must leave. It's a great question. Just because you are only interested in spamming about muh Trump 2016 doesn't mean we shouldn't participate in proper discussion.

Because men are driven by their, well drives. There are no wars to fight for us. And we're living in times when you have video games and porn while women are becoming worse and worse over the decades.

Because you work hard as fuck, to have a wife that wants to be a strong independent woman, but she still expects you to pay for everything. Fuck this shit. Women ruin everything. Blame it all on women.

Your expectations far outweigh the capabilities of your average chantard.

>Parents chopped most of the skin off my penor
MSM spends all day telling me my demographic is evil
>Falsely accused of stalking after a break up, just cause she was pissed and knew she could
University professor told us all white men deserve their turn to suffer
>Every other scholarship was "no white males need apply"
Women and minorities get preferential hiring
>Blacks regularly riot in the streets but whites are blamed for it

plus

>Billions more people in the world that when my parents were my age
24/7 global competition
>Most companies are part of a huge conglomerate that gives no fucks about individual employees
Factory jobs evaporated to Asia
>Automation - to get a decent salary you have to do intellectual work now

and

>Stores are flooded with heavily processed foods now
To be healthy you have to work at it now
>Before you could just eat whatever you could afford, and you'd be fine

>It's as credible as creation theory and people riding dinosaurs.

Whatever your thoughts on this, the worst thing you have to fear from us is some dude showing up at your door one day:

>Good morning, sir. Have you a moment to talk about Jesus Christ?

SJW's want to:

1. Control what you think.

2. Control what you say.

3. Control how you dress.

4. Control what spaces you can and cannot enter (college "safe spaces," for instance).

5. Teach your children about how gender and sex are different things.

6. Put your children inside the "gender machine" (no, not fucking kidding) so they can overcome their white supremacist capitalist patriarchal gender norms. Go to 8:52 to see what Australians are making their children do now:

>youtube.com/watch?v=mGjdCrq8In8

Christians aren't a threat to you anymore. In fact, we are one of the last barriers against this SJW bullshit. Remember, there is a REASON marxists wanted us out of the way.

Please stop viewing everything frmo your individual perspective. You're jumping to the immediate reasons you can see from your perspective.

You aren't looking at the societal processes that could lead up to this.

Feminism is FAR from the original or the only problem.

Every incentive to give it a go and pull through the hard times have been removed. They've been displaced by mudpeople taking the shit jobs that are no longer the first rung on the corporate ladder, just the occupation of a permanent underclass.

Would you rather take the gibs and have plenty of time to spend with your own or slave away at a dead-end service job filled with womyn and minorities that hate everything about your kind.

Video games and porn lead to an easy life without increasingly bothersome responsibilities.

Same reason a dogs licks himself.

Public school doesn't teach you useful or marketable skills

Good plan.
This way you give as little as possible to the state but maintain your own life.

>Would you rather take the gibs
Euro life must be great. In the USA white men have no gibs.

>le automation meme

Hard truths tonight anons. This is not a drill.

>We can not assume that just because we have technology we can avoid catastrophe, never has technology saved a civilization from a crisis like this.
There has never been so much technology though. And most importantly, the elite of a civilization have never been so aware of how societies work and the risks of collapse. Mass surveillance must really help them for this too.
Frankly I don't see what the unemployed/poor men could possibly do. They get depressed and accept their lot. Possibly start doing drugs or kill themselves. They will probably pacify us with more drugs in the future. And the unemployed women enjoy a very good life (due to their intrinsic value), so they wouldn't revolt.

No offense mr sheriff but you sound like the moms from 80's who told how rock music was satanic and d&d was literally hitler.

>automation meme
>meme
I don't mean to discourage you user but it's real as fuck. I do release engineering, our team of 40 devs and 10 dev-ops is now down to 12 devs (in India now) and 2 dev-ops (1 in india) thanks to 8 years of automating scripts to handle the day-to-day processes.

It's literally just me left. Thanks IBM.

Too smart to be a slave to the state. Give me universal basic income so I can fucking leave my house and afford traveling.

This so much.

Today at work I had to work on clocks that needed to be synced to a time server. I was repeatedly told they were configured correctly and there must be something not right on the clocks and we need to update the firmware in order to make it work.

I talk to a tech who makes the clock, he says firmware is not the issue - it's either a hardware fault or configuration issue.

I report back to manager that I really think it's a configuration issue. They tell me it's not and to update the firmware. Updating the firmware is impossible because there is no "Cyber Security Approved" PC that can connect to the clock as well as having to run the firmware update utility in fucking dos.

I take a test clock, use an "approved" PC to connect to it with a configuration utility (using windows XP), and sure enough it's not fucking set up right. After finding that out I take the clocks, configure them correctly, and it all works.

This was three days of bullshit that could have been an easy 3 hour fix if there wasn't such massive regulations on cyber security retardation, and if management wasn't so sure that it was configured correctly.

This is the story of nearly every STEM job at the moment in America. There is no time to make money, there is only time to waste on bullshit problem after bullshit problem that stems from incompetence and regulation.

I wish I was in a position to go on welfare. I would gladly take 20k a year, live in a shit house, drive a shit car, and enjoy life virtually.

i love how men are especially shamed in society for not working but millions of women over time do the same but because they live off men who want access to their pussy they get a free pass

most jobs these days in the economy are completely shit and add nothing of value to our world, i'd prefer a hell of a lot of people did nothing than waste the earths resources on shite

>gender and sex are different things
They are different things. Gender is what sex your brain is wired to think you are.

Granted, people try to run away with the concept and pretend to be special snowflakes.

Plus there are people born in a lot of varieties. XY male, XX female, intersex, funky combos like XXY and XYY, etc.

The problem is when SJWs try to leverage bullshit exaggerations, instead of just admitting that it all comes from reproductive errors and neurological defects.

>No idea why I typed all that out but I'm really, really caffeinated and I enjoyed it

No I don't faggot. I'm not blaming video games and porn, I'm just saying that life gets harder and shittier and there's an alternative that's easier and lots of men choose it.

Automation only really affect jobs that were going to be outsourced to mudpeople anyway or required less dexterous work.

the problem is always the same: People want things, but dont want to do work for them.
Taking from productive people and giving to a bum. Communism. Fake-Socialism and fake-free-markets are the same thing. forced equalization can only mean regression to the mean - and below.

>Mouse Utopia

>The 'beautiful ones' phase.

>You're watching it happen.

youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM

>flood workforce with women, illegal immigrants while also outsourcing jobs
>durrr why are men dropping out?

hmmm

Your mother is an ideological cunt, and has no idea what she is talking about
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>woman being wrong
What a surprise

>most jobs these days... add nothing of value to our world
This is why I quit my last job. The pay was kinda alright, but it was entirely bullshit. I was doing nothing of any real value and clients were being billed.

I fucking hate waste. If I'm going to get paid for something, it has to sincerely be a mutually beneficial arrangement. But obviously my values aren't really in line with the way the world works.

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as a non-NEET i'm also trying to read about these nerds

Honestly, when everybody became a bunch of fucking pussys man. Wtf, cnt make a gay joke, nigger joke, cunt joke. Cnt do shit anymore, might as well join the military, id rather get hit in the face by somebody ill call a bro tomoro than somebody whod tell jefe to fire me cuz i made a gay joke.
Cuz of that FUCK SOCIETY!

This I was chemical engineer in college and if you were a woman or a minority you had +20 job offers right there. The white men had to fight for the leftovers.

No need to be so aggressive and call me a faggot. That really hurts my feelings.

lol

sorry user, I meant it in an affectionate tough love sort of way

i don't like the way that regression looks

That's not how it works, user. The workers with outsourced and removed jobs don't disappear. They retrain, they have mortgages to pay.

>Team of 50 people
>36 people removed
>36 more competition in software
>Some get hired in software, others move to other fields of employment
>More competition across the board.

On a national scale, outsourcing and automation has removed manufacturing and tech jobs to such an extent that all other fields are over-saturated as well. There's not a single undersaturated field that's consistently paying comfortable living wages. Not one.

>Why are men dropping out of society?
Because jobs have been outsourced, while at the same time living standards have declined.

This nation is going backwards. Vote Trump.

Gibs from the productive people to lazy ones make these possible, and the working-man is tricked to pay it, using guilt and shaming.

1. Society has taken a hard-leftist turn in the past years, and had vilified men to where many are just saying fuck it, if I'm so terrible, do your own shit without me.

2. Americans are finding that with fewer opportunities overall, there's less incentive to be productive if you can simply sit back and get base necessities paid for by the state. Precisely why a universal basic income would destroy this nation in 1 generation, those who already get just enough to survive are dropping out, nobody will want do work if they don't have a passion for their job if we were given base income.

>living wages

Oh are you going to advocate for state sponsored welfare aka "living wages" for being an unskilled and unemployed because you were working at a field that didn't require much creativity?

I do agree with immigration being a problem on top of automation, but this is a government endorsed issue as a deliberate ploy to force neo serfdom but robots won't replace every job.

I understand mr sheriff. It was like the normal homo way not the Swedish homo way. No hard feelings.

>i don't like the way that regression looks
Some faggot in charge of the cover art just drew a straight line from the first to last data points, if I was the author I'd be triggered

Do----Do we need Hillary's WW3?

Nigger where are you even getting this from? I don't give two fucks about minimum wage or welfare, I'm talking about skilled work in proper productive fields being oversaturated.

>Have demand for 40,000 neurobiology jobs
>Have 70,000 neurobiologists

>Have 25,000 release system engineering jobs
>Have 60,000 release system engineers

Shit like that. I'm saying there's too much competition for good work because they're removing more and more of the jobs. Automation allows 1 person to do 2 people's jobs, sometimes much more, so there are simply less jobs than willing-to-work skilled workers.

My job is literally to automate shit, they would not pay me to do this if it wasn't making them money in the long run by cutting jobs.

You have autism

Most of the jobs being replaced by machines were already outsourced to illegals. The saturation stems, as always, from immigration and not automation. Automation is just the new immigration for immigrates. The problem has always been a displacement. What you insinuated was exactly "living wage" which everyone who speaks about automation always advocates for.

>There's not a single undersaturated field that's consistently paying comfortable living wages.

What is a living wage? Unless you live in a shitty state like NYC then you should be fine elsewhere on 15hr if you have a decent prospect and not some warehouse or factory worker that was already importing Juan and Julio.

25 year old self-employed user here.

What I'm finding, especially in my field is that in order to succeed, you can't just do a job for a client, you've got to do phenomenal job, add a shit ton of value and do that over and over to even get a wage packet.

I get that business is competitive, but I can't help but feel like people are putting themselves through hell and sacrificing everything for pretty much nothing.

I've been apathetic as fuck recently just because I don't know where I can compete in a healthy way that doesn't involve me having no social life and living to work.

And no field consistently pays 15/hour without being oversaturated. There is nothing left to strive for, no field is safe. It's only going to get worse.

>none of us will live to see the real bad times

Keep telling yourself that.

Not just no incentive, there are skewed societal rules in force
>Divorce courts
>Disincentives for entrepreneurs and small business in tax code
>Hostile western social paradigm towards being a man in general anymore.

No hope. Fuck it. The social contract for men is lost.

Already explored and explained in the superior Russian Lit two hundred years ago. Refer to the concept of "superfluous man".

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>I've been apathetic as fuck recently just because I don't know where I can compete in a healthy way that doesn't involve me having no social life and living to work.
iktf
There are millions of people who could easily replace me, even when I perform at my peek.

I spent years doing the best I could, but my health started falling apart. I'm not particularly smart, I don't think quickly enough, and I need more sleep than average. I'm just not genetically fit enough to truly compete, and that leaves me feeling completely useless.

>There are millions of people who could easily replace me, even when I perform at my peek.

Unbelievable

> tax the shit out of labor
> give massive incentives to investor class to move labor jobs
> force affirmative action

I wonder why