Why do people still keep writing in tropes like this bullshit to show how great a character is?
You telling me someone who just walked by someone who's doing work is going to know everything that they've been trying to do and they're magically going to just have the solution right there without even hesitating or asking what's going on?
>She'll never smudge your dry erase board.
Because there's an audience for it. Womanchildren like this sort of thing.
Get over it because you don't have to read it. There were years of Liefeldian comics where macho fuck heads kill everyone with effortless skill and bullshit powers like a five year old playing pretend. I can accept the woman equivalent existing because I don't have to read it and there are plenty of comics aimed at slightly more mentally adjusted adults.
You have to go back.
>still keep writing
All I can think of is Mulan moving the shogi (?) and Zuckerberg exiting the class while nailing the question. It's not as common as you think.
Something like this happened in TNG's 'The Battle', where Wesley waltzes into sickbay, literally glances at some readings Dr. Crusher was working on and from that determines what they are and how they work, then on his way out the door, smugly chuckles "Adults."
Wheaton said that was the moment in show in the show that he realized why people hated Wesley.
To more specifically answer your question about why people do it, it's a quick and easy/lazy way of showing how awesome a character is, that they can stroll into a situation that experts had been struggling with and immediately understand everything well enough to solve the issue. Look at how awesome Character McKnowledge is! They're so smart they don't have to study or familiarize themselves with what's being researched at all!
Because they know how to write and you don't.
Fucking eh, this is basically the opening reel for Good Will Hunting, which won an Oscar for Best Screenplay. You didn't complain about that. Then again Matt Damon has a penis.
Exactly that kind of bullshit, it's so absolutely obnoxious that I have no idea how anyone can write it and think it's a good idea
Tell them where to go back, son.
It's not common, but it happens a lot. There's threefold reasons for it. First, it's a quick/lazy way of establishing how smart/awesome a character is. Second, it's done to move the plot along. You either waste pages or script space showing the character painstakingly study the problem (then they don't look smart if they have to put in effort) or you just show it happening and move on. Thirdly, it's what happens when ordinary people try to write smart people. It's not easy, so often intelligence is treated like a superpower, or like the smart character has already read the script.
Anyone got the picture of smart people being written by smart people versus smart people being written by dumb people?
Back to the past
Samurai Jack
I can't believe OP actually made a image macro for this shit.
That's just being autistic.
>It's not common, but it happens a lot
>You telling me someone who just walked by someone who's doing work is going to know everything that they've been trying to do and they're magically going to just have the solution right there without even hesitating or asking what's going on?
Yes, that's exactly what I'm telling you. Get over it.
I realized that fuckup after I hit post. I could bullshit some semantics, but go with this instead:
"It's not super-common, but it does crop up frequently enough to notice...."
Back in college when I was struggling with a math problem, my teacher or the tutor would do that. They'd just stand behind me, staring at my paper; after a few seconds, they'd instantly know what I was doing wrong and how it could be corrected. Does it mean that they are great? No. Just that they've already deal with a problem similar to what I was trying to solve.
Is it too much to for you to imagine that other people might have already encountered and solved whatever problem you might be dealing with?
>It's actually a plot twist to sabotage the equation in an innocent manner, in order to delay progress on a project
This seems like a trope that could very easily be subverted.
George Dantzig once solved two unsolvable statistical problems for homework.
Go to Sup Forums, tumblr or the hell.
Good Will Hunting is an overrated piece of shit for faggot leftists. So is Matt Damon.
>I could bullshit some semantics
Please don't.
I think it's good.
>Fucking eh, this is basically the opening reel for Good Will Hunting, which won an Oscar for Best Screenplay.
Yes, that was in fact the origin of the trope, and it's been referenced and parodied a million times.
Yes, and that's supposedly the indirect influence for the movie.
Source?
>Because there's an audience for it. Womanchildren like this sort of thing.
You mean, Super heroes who are super smart and do thing better than other? I thought all cap-comic readers enjoyed this.
Pretty sure people hated Wesley because of Will Wheton. There's nothing wrong with having your character be the smartest guy in the room or even being smug about being the smartest guy in the room and there's nothing wrong about using visual shorthand to get a point across.
>it's good
No it's not, it's bunch of unfunny quuips about how girls ruin everything.
>throwing a fit over things that don't affect you in any way just because they offend your personal sensibilities
Funny, it sounds like you're the one who needs to go back somewhere.
>Womanchildren
this, a lot of people actually don´t know womanchildren are a thing now
everytime you see something cringe as this, remember the existence of womanchildren
Yes, but the point of the scene in Good Will Hunting is to showcase how smart he is to set up a story revolving around his self-destructive behaviors.
I think you're incorrect on this front. At the time he got the TNG gig, Wheaton was a more or less an unknown teenaged actor. There was nothing to hate about him. The character of Wesley was Gene Roddenberry's self-interest (Wesley was even the name he wished he'd been given), was constantly showing up the other characters and saving the ship, so that's why he got the ire of fans. Because he was written badly.
There is nothing wrong with being the smartest guy in the room or being smug about it (well, that's a character flaw). It's how it's presented. Wesley was presented as being super-duper smart and special. He got to fly the ship during crises. He was allowed onto the bridge. He repeatedly saved the ship when the experienced crew - who were supposed to be the main characters - were helpless. That is bad writing and it's why early-TNG Wesley was/is so hated by the fandom and is the poster child for that type of obnoxious wunderkid writing.
>There was nothing to hate about him.
Except for his acting.
>I thought all cap-comic readers enjoyed this.
male cap-comic readers are manchildren, female cap-comic readers are womanchildren, it´s not a hard concept to grasp
No, tumblrina Moffat wholockians love this shit where a character smugly tells all the other characters (and the audience) how fucking smart they are instead of actually doing something smart that the audience can appreciate.
you´re jsut being a whiny bitch, the part with the question mark was hillarious, go back to tumblr
>Janitor solves a long equation after getting an open invitation to try
>Rando eyes over equation with no context on what it's trying to prove and smudges the middle and replaces an entire argument with a new one without correcting anything after it
Yeah, you're not biased at all.
>manchildren and womanchildren read comics
>but actual children do not
It's not some rando, it's Barbara Gordon who is canonical a super genius.
So Batman?
Huh, the "artist" just mirrored the whiteboard on the right panel. That's why it's nonsensical.
Creating OC is now autistic. Let's all go to 9gag and KYM instead.
Batman has been poorly written in this way many times, yes.
Good smart: Batman uses the Riddler's obsession to ensure he'll never disclose his secret identity.
Bad smart: This comic.
It's shit OC.
It's not OC, fucking newfags.
>Wesley was even the name he wished he'd been given
Wesley was Roddenberry's middle name. Other than that, your post was dead on.
>Good smart: Batman uses the Riddler's obsession to ensure he'll never disclose his secret identity.
That's not smart at all.
first of all riddler's whole M.O. is that he wants people to know he's smarter than Batman and now that he has conclusive proof that he is, why the hell wouldn't he disclose it?
I hate how "smart" protagonistd are never smart people. They can't be socially awkward or isolated (unless it's played for laughs and immediately subverted), they can't be too weird, and worst of all they NEVER HAVE A THIRST FOR KNOWLEDGE.
When's the last time you saw a "smart" protag actually try and learn something? Figure out a problem, wrestle with it, and do research to figure out how it works and a solution? Full Metal Alchemist was really good about this but no other series really plays with this. "Genius" in comics is code for "technology wizard". They do magic but it's magic with metal. Tony Stark doesn't even know how the suit HE FUCKING DESIGNED works fully.
Book smart characters are easier, because you can have them blurt out facts and solve problems quickly but even then we never get to actually see them be "smart", just "recite facts".
But in Good Will Hunting, Will is a lowly janitor and that scene is used to show us his intellect despite his station in life. We already know that Batgirl is a genius because she's of the Batfamily and has the brains to be Oracle. There's nothing gained from this scene. Batgirl's smugness doesn't endear her to us, either.
this is a pretty good false flag, user! roleplaying as the comic's writer is always a good strat.
>first of all riddler's whole M.O. is that he wants people to know he's smarter than Batman and now that he has conclusive proof that he is, why the hell wouldn't he disclose it?
That's the Riddler's point, more or less. Batman counters that a riddle whose answer everyone knows is worthless. Batman's identity is only valuable because it's a secret. Once everyone knows it, it won't be valuable anymore.
Reed Richards in Hickman's run.
And also it still would mean that Riddler won, The riddler knowing that Brice wayne is Batman is pretty much game over for Batman.
>just painted a huge target on my loved ones and myself
>the riddler can attack his company and anything connected to it
>and Batman can't do anything about it
Peter Parker in JMS' Amazing Spider-Man.
The real problem is, womanchildren aren't judged even half as harshly as manchildren are. I for one am not opposed to the idea of fiction openly pandering to childish, emotionally stunted nerd women. Japan panders to fujos just as much as they do yurifags and other types weebs, but of course in the West female nerds' whinining gets treated as God's Word whereas male nerds are told to shut up every time.
Many of the current drama regarding sexism/racism/etc. could be solved if we could simply admit we are all horrible and miserable people to the core, no exceptions.
That would be fine if the Riddler were an ordinary dude but he's obsessed with riddles.
>Batman counters that a riddle whose answer everyone knows is worthless.
EXCEPT THE RIDDLER WOULD BE ETERNALLY FAMOUS FOR FIGURING THAT BRUCE WAYNE IS BATMAN.
Makes me wonder why we don't have Riddler in Injustice planning Superman's demise since the guy just ruined the value of the riddle.
So what?
But none of those things are Riddler's schtick. His MO is one uping Batman.
It's why the best thing to happen to the Riddler after he learned Batman's identity was to start up his own detective agency and move the pissing match to a new venue.
He's already outsmarted Bruce Wayne, now he's going to prove he's a better detective.
Prolly got lobotomized from orbit by heat vision.
Meh, nobody really judges manchildren, except other manchildren on the internet, and they don't matter because they're manchildren.
t. manchild
I didn't check if it is or isn't, I just assumed was telling the truth, and I've never seen it before. How does that make me a newfag? Do you even know what the word means?
No he's not, The Riddler is obsessed about being the smartest guy in the room. THE RIDDLES ARE NOT THE END GOAL TO THE RIDDLER, THEY ARE THE MEANS.
Also, I'm surprised nobody mentioned this but Will actually spends the better part of a day reflecting on the problem, he doesn't simply solve it at first glance
Is this supposed to be Babs
But if he told everyone that Batman is Bruce Wayne, there'd be nothing left for him to show. See:
>blindly trusting other posts on Sup Forums
Ah, the naivete of a freshly arrived newfag. Hail summer!
>His MO is one uping Batman.
And disclosing Batman's secret identity would be the biggest one up.
Except, "Who is Batman?" isn't the Riddler's riddle, it's Batman's. By revealing Batman's identity Riddler has outsmarted Batman. Riddler seeks to prove himself smarter than everyone by creating riddles they're not smart enough to solve; posing a riddle to the Riddler means that he has to solve it, as otherwise you prove yourself smarter than him. Riddler not divulging Batman's identity because "a riddle whose answer everyone knows is worthless" is out of character for the Riddler.
So, no, you don't know what newfag means. Thanks for confirming.
>You didn't complain about that.
But I did. Good Will Hunting is overrated garbage
>They can't be socially awkward or isolated
why would they be? you the the antisocial genius trope is just that, right? do you browse tumblrs or something?
This is what I was referring to. Womanchildren are adults who read these cutesy books like Hellcat and Batgirl where there's no legitimate conflict and characters don't have flaws. The kind who go YAAS QUEEN and are usually into social justice as well.
Typically also like Moon Girl and other books that are literally aimed at small children. More people read the books just to crow about how great for kids it is than actual children.
If they like that shit, it's no skin off my ass, though.
So that's what the riddler actually wants, to be officaly recognized as being smarter than Batman.
That's not a very good example; all he said in that episode was that he recognized the readings from engineering as a mysterious signal they couldn't identify. He didn't even figure out the significance of the identical readings.
It's really not. He didn't prove Batman can't solve a riddle he made, he just proved that he could solve a riddle of Batman's.
Regardless, OP's comic is bad smart person writing. At least with the Riddler example, Batman shows his logic and reasoning in a way the audience can appreciate. You might not like the Riddler's characterization, but we are SHOWN instead of TOLD that Batman is Smart. Here, we're shown a bunch of gibberish, told it's smart, and expected to admire Barbara for solving it.
Not really. Batman already know his secrets out and Riddler has what he wants. The Riddler has no need to spread the info he's already proven to his challenger that he is better.
Batman's point is that the more widespread that info goes the less impressive it is. And then every asshole who ever said they thought Bruce Wayne was Batman is now taking credit for having it figured out. Ridder no longer looks clever because everyone is hind-sighting the problem and doesn't care about him anymore.
>BRUCE WAYNE IS BATMAN.
Wait what? The guy is millionaire and has a physique of an Adonis. Do you think he would spend all his time in tactical suit with spandex and chase lunatics?
No, he wants to prove to Batman that he is smarter than Batman. That's why he brags to Batman. But telling everyone would make the knowledge commonplace and thus not worth discovering.
No she was pre-n52, but she was a retard in Simone's run
Of course there wouldn't be anything left for him to show, he won. Using the logic you're arguing from Batman doesn't actually need to solve his riddles, because just telling Riddler that his riddles could be solved would be enough to stop him. Hell, by extension Batman pointing out that he could solve the Riddler's riddles would be enough to stop the Riddler from enacting schemes to begin with.
Calm down my newfag faggot, no need for your girly histrionics.
>Of course there wouldn't be anything left for him to show, he won
His victory would be destroyed. He'd go from "I know this thing no one else does!" to "I know this thing literally everyone knows."
>Batgirl where there's no legitimate conflict and characters don't have flaws
That's bullshit.
That's such bullshit user because Batgirl of Burnside did have legitimate conflict and she legitimately a fully developed character but fucks like you actively spread disinformation about the book and Sup Forums falls for it because Sup Forums DOESN'T READ COMICS.
Man I remember assholes like you IN the batgirl storytime just shitposting and you guys always brought the discussion dow
You guys realize its like at most 50 of you retards arguing in circles in every one of these threads right? There are 33 of you ITT.
Stop being so triggered by literally everything.
Even Einstein would need to reflect on a problem and get the proper context to what it's trying to prove. Forgetting all of that, putting a random argument in the middle of a complex equation won't suddenly fix the thing. You'll need to correct every single thing trailing off of that argument including many more issues that could be placed all over that board. Unless all she corrected was something a tired researcher would write like 2*6 = 6.
Lurk more.
Hey, I READ Batgirl, I even evangelized it here, but the first 10 or so issues absolutely lacked good conflict. When Babs got in a fight she would always win without taking a hit.
I think it was Daguerotype or whatever she was called where there started being a longterm conflict.
Still it doesn't deserve comparison to Hellcat, so I'll admit that was uncalled for.
Speak English.
This was an episode that Wheaton specifically references as an example of why even he hated Wesley and how badly the character was written to come off as super-smart, so it's a pretty fair example.
>Wheaton admits that he understands where the fans' hatred comes from and lays the blame firmly at the feet of the writers for making the character seem pretentious, through dialogue and through their tendency to have Wesley deduce answers too easily, as in the episode TNG: "The Battle"' when Wesley made everyone else (including, in Wheaton's own words, "the hypersmart robot") look ridiculous by too easily solving the problem from just "glancing" at sensor readings that no one else could solve. According to Wheaton, even he hated Wesley after these kinds of scenes.
If you don't what lurk more means, it means you have to lurk more.
>Even Einstein would need to reflect on a problem and get the proper context to what it's trying to prove.
IT'S FICTION
More importantly it's a superhero cape comic and this is literally one panel from the comic that Sup Forums took offense because it was during a time Sup Forums would shit on their mom if they thought she was a feminist. The only reason OP has that image macro is because of those threads the fact that the second response tells me that Sup Forums still can't suspend their disbelief for women who is supposed to be smart.
I have to think he's remembering the scene wrong (or I am!); Wesley doesn't solve the problem, he just brings new information to Dr. Crusher from a place she wouldn't expect and it's her who solves it.
>Eraser right there
>Puts saliva on whiteboard
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>You didn't complain about that
No, your strawman didn't complain. I complained plenty because it was a mockery of what I work hard to do every day. i get they had to dumb it down for movie audiences, but really they're dumbing it down for movie producers, who think audiences are as dumb as they are, or dumber.
>because it was a mockery of what I work hard to do every day
You must be fun at parties. By fun I mean insufferable of course.
Riddler still gets credit for being the person who proves that Bruce Wayne is Batman; what is being said is like arguing that someone shouldn't win a Nobel Prize in chemistry because once they submit their research for publishing anyone can do it.
Except if it relies entirely on an out-of-character behavior by another it's not really a matter of logic and reasoning, it's an asspull that the writer is trying to justify. Riddler already told Hush Batman's secret identity, so either Riddler didn't believe that keeping the information hidden had intrinsic value or he believed that revealing the information had value. Riddler also works under a compulsion, those aren't ignored until someone points it out.
She doesn't even know how to use the eraser.
>It's Fiction
>People don't like it because feminism
>It's cap shit
There's suspending disbelief then there's being a slack jawed fucktard. I can suspend my disbelief that Oracle builds a super computer over a span of time and does support with her tech wizardry
I cannot suspend my disbelief that Babs 'solves' a math problem by replacing a single equation like she found the missing jigsaw piece on the ground and popped it into place just to show how super smart she is.