Defenders plot hole

>The fingers are scared of death when they have been implied to have been brought back to life each and everytime
>MUH SUBSTANCE IS RUNNING OUT
>we see in ironfist that anyone who was brought back by the Hand are immortals that cannot die regardless if they have the substance or not

Didn't they explicitly state in IF that he could die permanently by cutting off his head?

and by burning, yes, but Bakuto got his head chopped of didnt he?

point is why are alexandra and co whining about using the last of the substance when they have been brought back once, and from what weve seen from Iron Fist, once brought back and you die again, you will be resurrected in a few days WITHOUT the substance

>Ward kills Harold
>Harold is brought back a few days later

Yeah, their immortality is kind of a healing factor thing, they can't regenerate from decapitation.

>but Bakuto got his head chopped of didnt he?

In IF, Bakuto was just stabbed in the chest. That's why he's able to come back in Defenders even though they used the last of the substance on Elektra at the end of DD S2.

So why do they need the substance?

how did Harold came back?

Well, what if the Substance can surpass those weaknesses? They never state that, as far as I'm aware, but it would explain things.

Lazarus Pit fluid in his veins

Who says that Harold's revival was done using the substance and not some other method? Substance brought them back with temporary memory loss, but based on Electra their mental state after recovering was unchanged. Harold was explicitly made less sane each time he died. You may also remember that he was talking, although incoherently, shortly after crawling out of the mud whereas Electra needed some time just to be able to say two words and according to Alexandra this is normal.

>this
If the Hand's been dabbling in the art of achieving immortality, it stands to reason that they've found more than one method of obtaining it, some more flawed than others.

Another possibility could be that, if theirs were like Harold's immortality, Substance could circumvent the sanity loss, and they're as afraid of losing their minds as they are of dying.

are you implying that they have to get juiced up everytime they "die"? how do you know that?

It could also be that each treatment of substance gives several revivals before more is needed. Possibly with diminishing returns. Some of the fingers could have had three or four more deaths before they would stay down. Doesn't mean they would be any less worried about eventually dying.

Also, only Alexandra was scared of death. The others just wanted to live long enough to go back to K'un L'un.

the substance keeps them from going crazy when they come back

if the substance is dragon bone oil then why were they draining children of their blood back in season 2?

Could be that the ritual requires more than just one ingredient.

Because it's obviously blood mixed with powdered bone. You can't turn a white fossil into a red liquid on its own.

>bone
Nah. Marrow.
I bet they use bone for something else though and just ambiguously refer to the dragon corpse as "the substance" even though it's probably more then strictly one resource with strictly one application, like mixing with druggie human blood for a nice immortality soup.

And this is a huge problem with Netflixverse The Hand, there's no specificity to their villainy.

In DD S1, they're one subsection of the crime running the city, with Nobu as their emissary, Gao clearly isn't a member retcons be damned. They have limited political influence and have to share Fisk with everyone else who wants a slice of his power. They want a person or thing known as a Black Sky, for reasons.

DD S2 they suddenly control half of the fucking city and are turned into a distaff League of Shadows, right down to the magic goo that brings you back to life. They're now straight up Ninja Turtles villains all running around in costumes. Nobu is still the major power player in the city, and their digging a big fucking hole and still want a Black Sky, for reasons we still don't know why.

Then in Iron Fist they've got both a huge financial division run by Madame Gao(who also runs drugs, so what the fuck was Nobu's job?) and a youth recruitment division that's literally the plot of the first TMNT movie and is run by some random brown guy we've never met before. The ninjas are all gone, and there's in internal civil war between Gao and Bokuto even though there's zero implication that the dude who runs their fucking army recruitment services has a similar level of influence to the woman who has her fingers in every pie in the city. They can bring people back to life without the fake Lazarus Pits and with totally different effects.

Now in Defenders they have a supreme overlord who's some random white lady we've never met, Bokuto and Gao are on the same level of influence in the organisation which makes less then zero sense, it's a global organisation where all of the leaders hang out in New York doing nothing, Nobu has a direct superior who we never met before, the Black Sky actually never mattered to the grand scheme and all they wanted was more fake Lazarus Pit juice the whole time.

Nothing about this organisation makes any sense.

>those TMNT comparisons
Well, given that The Foot were based on The Hand in the first place, I'd say things simply came full circle.

Oh I know The Foot was a parody of The Hand, but Bokuto's plan was literally the TMNT Shredder plot. Well, if Shredder had no charisma or menace or really anything at all.

Though I might give IF an extra half-star if someone got crushed by a garbage press.

It's like pottery, it breaks.

>Though I might give IF an extra half-star if someone got crushed by a garbage press.
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