Why was Dumbledore's strategy against Voldemort so retarded, with everyone hiding from Voldemort and no one seeking him out to kill him? Literally why not have Snape tell Dumbledore when Voldemort is all alone and literally have Dumbledore, Snape,Kingsley Shacklebolt,Remus Lupin, Nymphadora Tonks, Minerva McGonagall, Mad-Eye Moody attack Voldemort while hes all alone and just beat him 7-on1?
>inb4 dullest franchise
Serious discussion only please
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Are you forgetting about horcruxes?
>Even if they managed to defeat him physically, his damaged soul would live on and he could find a new form
>Harry and the scooby gang only defeated him after killing his horcruxes. Even then, Voldemort managed to duel 3 people at once (McGonagall, Kinglsey, and someone else) at Hogwarts before he died.
You disgust me.
>Are you forgetting about horcruxes
No. Literally just kill him then find those and destroy
Dumbledore was the only one who knew about them, until he confided in Harry.
Even if they did kill all the horcruxes, there was one final piece of the puzzle
>harry had a piece of Voldemort's soul inside of him
What were they gonna do, just execute Harry?
You shouldn't expect to find any logic in one the dullest franchises in the history of movie franchises. Seriously each episode following the boy wizard and his pals from Hogwarts Academy as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.
Perhaps the die was cast when Rowling vetoed the idea of Spielberg directing the series; she made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody?just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for her books. The Harry Potter series might be anti-Christian (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-James Bond series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.
>a-at least the books were good though
"No!"
The writing is dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs."
I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Rowling's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that she has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Harry Potter by the same Stephen King. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are reading Harry Potter at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to read Stephen King." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read "Harry Potter" you are, in fact, trained to read Stephen King.
>Nymphadora Tonks
She would have been an ickle baby, she was a seventh year during Harry's first.
The only people that knew about the Horcruxes before his apparent death were Voldemort himself, Slughorn and Regulus Black (dead)
I always assumed the Order was more active during the first war for that reason though, they woldn't have lost so many people if they spent that war hiding too.
like clockwork. Based copypasta anons.
Voldemort was undefeatable. In the first war, Dumbledore said he had all kinds of dark creatures working for him. Not to mention deatheaters. Had Voldemort not attempted to kill Harry because muh prophecy, he probably would have eventually beat the order into submission. And everyone would have probably just died.
>She would have been an ickle baby
she was literally one of the most accomplished aurors and BTFO multiple Death Eaters before her cunt aunt murdered her
>GOT WANDS THAT BLOW THE WALL, CLEAR THEM ALL OUT, FUCK THE FALLOUT
it was essential voldemort himself kill the piece of soul in harry, and harry sacrificing himself gives everybody else the same charm and protection her mother did to harry when she sacrificed herself. that was the only way they could remove voldemort's anchor in harry while also weakening voldermort's power over the masses
>Voldemort managed to duel 3 people at once (McGonagall, Kinglsey, and someone else)
Slughorn
>Had Voldemort not attempted to kill Harry because muh prophecy, he probably would have eventually beat the order into submission. And everyone would have probably just died.
checked but i disagree. Dumbledore had the elder wand
>Dumbledore had the elder wand
he was fucking lost to it to Draco Malfoy of all people
What would have happened if Voldy didn't use the killing curse on Harry and, say, conjured a hammer and tried to smash his brains in?
Even with the elder wand, Voldemort was still too powerful. Dumbledore was already 45 when Tom Riddle was born. He was fucking elderly by the time Voldemort was in his prime.
He allowed that to happen
He gets expelliarmused
TIMBS TO MY SLYTHERINS IN LONDON
Age doesn't cause infirmity in wizards, Dumbledore was running around and casting Merlin-level magic right up until the day he died, and that was while suffering from the withering curse and the horxrux potion. Voldemort feared him, and rightfully so.
that was the one fucking deus ex i didnt like. sheer dumb luck that draco was overpowered by harry by the time draco had the allegiance of the wand
age is a nonfactor in HP. dumbledore forced Voldemort to retreat in the battle in the ministry
>age is a nonfactor in HP. dumbledore forced Voldemort to retreat in the battle in the ministry
while technically true, youre entirely misrepresenting the situation. Only in the movies is the duel anywhere near a close contest, in the book it was basically Dumbledore dodging and barely staying alive and Voldemort only left because he knew the Aurors were on the way. One-on-One without anyone interfering and in neutral circumstances, Voldemort would literally rape Dumbledore
>Serious discussion only please
honest answer. because its a children's series and wasn't written with continuity in mind
>in the book it was basically Dumbledore dodging and barely staying alive and Voldemort only left because he knew the Aurors were on the way
false. the Order were losing. Dumbledore arrives and easily captures the death eaters and placing the anti apparition jinx on them except for Bellatrix, who was skilled enough to deflect the spell
Dumbledore animated the fountain of magical brethren to pin Bellatrix, protect harry, absorb/deflect spells while using Fawkes to swallow death curses. Dumbledore projects a powerful bolt of magic that forces Voldy to conjure a shield which, on the impact, generated a deep vibrating sound from the force of the spell of Dumby. Voldy noted the spell was not meant for killing but Dumby implied it was something much more powerful but was never revealed what it did
Dumbledore wasn't dodging shit, he animated the fountain to tank Voldy's spells, and was easily holding his own, that's why the coward had to try and posess Harry before fleeing as everyone showed up.
>false. the Order were losing. Dumbledore arrives and easily captures the death eaters and placing the anti apparition jinx on them except for Bellatrix, who was skilled enough to deflect the spell.Dumbledore animated the fountain of magical brethren to pin Bellatrix,
This all happened before Voldemort even appeared in the Ministry, so has nothing to do with the duel they had.
>protect harry
are you high? He didnt need to protect Harry, literally he did was knock him out of the way, its also important to note that the whole time Voldemort was dueling Dumbledore he was simultaneosly messing with Harry's mind
>absorb/deflect spells while using Fawkes to swallow death curses.
thats exactly what i said in my initial post, he was dodging death spells and barely staying alive
>Dumbledore projects a powerful bolt of magic that forces Voldy to conjure a shield which, on the impact, generated a deep vibrating sound from the force of the spell of Dumby.
Why "forces", why do you describe Dumby's moves in a way that makes them seem so awesome? Voldy literally deflected the spell with ease and didnt need gimmicks like moving statues around
>Voldy noted the spell was not meant for killing So not only was Voldy toying with Dumby, he also could see through his moves as well? He was taunting Dumby by pointing out that the spell wasnt for killing
>implied it was something much more powerful but was never revealed what it did
Literally your headcanon.
TL:DR you misrepresented the whole duel, which was my initial point. Now, fuck off
Its ounds like he was manhandling Voldemort and his pals. Why was this old fuckin voldemort in the butt ?
>Its ounds like he was manhandling Voldemort and his pals. Why was this old fuckin voldemort in the butt ?
only in that user's head, read the chapter itself, youll notice hes completely off with his description
Kek my point was dumbledore was easily overpowering his opponents. You are the one misremembering the duel in the books. Dumbledore wasn't hard pressed to survive--it was the order that was on the verge of losing. Not dumbledore himself. Dumbledore did not need to """""dodge""""" the spells--he had the exact countermeasures to deal with them
How's your shit memory serving you?
The "No!" gets me every time.
>only in that user's head
The absolute state of delusion
>After Voldemort missed Dumbledore, Dumbledore then sent a powerful spell at Voldemort, one which the Dark Lord was forced to block with a Silver shield; the spell did not harm the shield, but made a deep gong-like sound as it was deflected. Voldemort realised that the nature of the spell was not meant to kill him
After the first time he died (to baby Harry) he took, like, what? Ten years or more to fully regain his power?
If they could've killed him, horcruxes or not, they'd still be giving themselves roughly a decade to find and destroy the rest of them so that when he eventually returned they could kill him for good.
Why didnt Dumbledore tells everyone about the horcruxes anyway?
>Dumbledore flicked his own wand: the force of the spell that emanated from it was such that Harry, though shielded by his golden guard, felt his hair stand on end as it passed and this time Voldemort was forced to conjure a shining silver shield out of thin air to deflect it. The spell, whatever it was, caused no visible damage to the shield, though a deep, gong-like note reverberated from it - an oddly chilling sound.
>'You do not seek to kill me, Dumbledore?' called Voldemort, his scarlet eyes narrowed over the top of the shield. 'Above such brutality, are you?'
>'We both know that there are other ways of destroying a man, Tom,' Dumbledore said calmly, continuing to walk towards Voldemort as though he had not a fear in the world, as though nothing had happened to interrupt his stroll up the hall. 'Merely taking your life would not satisfy me, I admit - '
>There is nothing worse than death, Dumbledore!' snarled Voldemort.
"No!"
Yeah, just kill him seven times then. I don’t see what the big deal is.
It doesn't work that way. A lich has to be destroyed with the phylactery. Think Sauron and the ring
Because if Voldemort knew they were being hunted, he would have moved them. And that's what he does decide to do in Deathly Hallows, but at that point the only one left is the diadem in Hogwarts, so that's where they all meet.
What stopped Voldemort from just invading Hogwarts in the fifth movies and just avada kedavra'ing everyone inside who stood in his way?
Nagini survives and is placed in a magical barrier
muh "Dumbledore was the only one he ever feared" trope, when he literally had no reason to fear Dumbledore and even Dumbledore himself told Harry that even at the height of his powers he wouldnt have been a match for Voldemort
>What stopped Voldemort from just invading Hogwarts in the fifth movies
Dumbledore. Voldemort's mistake from the first wizarding war was he openly declared himself so people rose against him
In the books, he hid under secrecy and fought a shadow war to keep people from rising up like last time, and he worked behind the scenes to pain Dumbledore as a warmonger who sought to dismantle government when it was Voldy who was secretly infiltrating the ministry to solidify his power through the puppet government
Yes, but it's not like he'd sacrifice the other 4 just because he has a snek
Dumbledore was too busy cruisin for cock to actually hunt down Voldemort
This, he was busy rescuing his dudes from Azkaban and builing up his army, and setting up the logistics for when he did come out into the open so he could take over quickly.
I didnt mean that. I was just pointing out the diadem wasnt the only one left
Voldemort was actually smarter that time. He prevented the order and the government from working together. By the time the ministry caught up it was too late. Voldy has amassed his forces, was gaining international support especially with giants, and his agents in the ministry were already in place
if nobody was allowed or would say voldemorts name why didn't they just all start calling him tom riddle again?
So where is that "dodging dumbledore" user? Kek
Why didn't Dumbledore just get a gun and shoot him instead?
Barely anyone knew who he really was
Because they already have #youknowwho and #hewhomustnotbenamed
Yeah but it's just a lot easier to call him tom, tommy, riddle, or something like a normal person.
They werent normal people but le quirky magic folk
And like this user said, very few knew who voldy really was
Why didn't Snape just kill James?
based "No!" poster
Azkaban is really, really terrible. Like, the NSA would look at it and say "too far".
I personally think it would be best to kill his body, then find the horcruxes. I mean, it didn't seem easy to revive him. It took an entire movie worth of shenanigans to bring him back the first time. It would give them much needed time to destroy his powerbase and find and destroy the things.
That's certainly a strong possibility, but Voldemort is also very smart, and I suspect after the difficulty with bringing him back the first time he'd have set something up to speed up the process if he died again, like briefing Bellatrix and maybe a couple of others on where to meet him if he appears to die again and what potion ingredients to bring with them.
I never felt he was smart. Just powerful, ruthless and without any kind of scruples.
I mean, both times he dies its literally because he did something stupid. 90% of the shit he does shows a complete lack of foresight, and most of what makes him powerful is a bunch of psychos willing to follow him and his willingness to do every forbidden thing under the sun.
If Voldemort was inside Harry's head, how come he didn't notice there was a piece of him inside Harry?
inb4 no!
Keep in mind that the horcruxes were mostly a theory Dumbledore had, and that's why he needed the HP to get the memory from Inspector Frank Butterman who was the only one who REALLY knew.
Although I don't remember any decent reason for him to hide that crucial potential world-saving info until Harry used his luck potion that somehow never comes into play in any of the rest of the series.
>Hides the pieces of his soul in obvious nostalgic places instead of in a hole in fucking Luxembourg or the bottom of the ocean
He was the biggest dumbass of the series I swear
Was Dumbledore a top or bottom?
>BITCHES IN THE BACK LOOKIN RIGHTEOUS, IN THE TIGHT DRESS, I THINK I MIGHT JUST...
since when does a wizard's power decrease with age?
if anything, wizards become MORE powerful with age.
He was too old to have a sexual relationship by the time he met Harry and realized his orientation. So it's just one of those things we'll never know.
Did you forget the ending of Book 5? But maybe Dumbledore could only beat him because he had the elder wand.
Being gay was illegal in the UK until 1967 when he was 86 years old, he was probably a celibate gay like Kenneth Williams.
IT'S FUCKING COLD IN MY ROOM
Grindlewald had the Elder wand when Dumbledore beat him and won it as a result. How does Grindelwald + Elder stack up against Voldemort?
Muggle technology acts weird around magic
>I never felt he was smart
he was literally like the Top Student in Hogwarts History, his main downfall was impulsivity and being quick to anger, there was nothing wrong with his intellect, to be a powerful wizard or witch in that universe its pretty much a pre-requisite to be intelligence, you cant be dumb and master the spells and magic
his pride was another cause of his downfall, he wanted objects of magical importance or significance to be his horcruxes, it had nothing to do with nostalgia
The problem is that somebody else needs to find the horcrux
>I don't remember any decent reason for him to hide that crucial potential world-saving info until Harry used his luck potion
Oh, btw, I helped make Hitler immortal, no hard feelings, right guys?
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shame i just finished a marathon of this the other day
glad you faggots are still around though
Well the memory would make it obvious that he was freaked out by the idea and didn't know who he was dealing with. I'm a selfish dickhead, but I'd share that. I mean, especially if it would help stop the guy that could potentially take over the world and kill/enslave me.
Slughorn's obsession to collect students caused many of people to die.
WRT nostalgia, I was thinking about hiding gone in that one cave place he knew as a kid and his favorite pet snake specifically.
Also with the snake, nice job on saying "I need to keep you safe," then letting it wander around alone during the battle. I mean jeez. At THAT point I'd know I was in trouble and hide the snake in a cage somewhere hidden.
Its not like anyone knew how to destroy a horcrux, except fo Albus Percival Wulfric Brian "All according to my keikaku*" Dumbledore.
He was also kind of a prideful pompous ass, he has a throw away line when Harry asks why he didn't tell and he just says "It would have ruined me."
*translator's note: keikaku mean's dullest franchise.
Doesn't he lose something upon each death?
Based based "No!" poster poster
And he had to be saved by the phoenix
Is that what happened to his nose?
Why don't wizards just cast spells + fire a gun immediately after? That should mess with their defenses, no?
Why not just have a spell that makes guns that shoot wands?
harry or someone held two wands once and had a more powerful spell
>WIZARDS BLEED JUST LIKE US
>PICTURE ME BEIN SCARED OF A WIZARD THAT USE THE SAME PORTKEY AS ME
>WIZARDS BLEED JUST LIKE US
>PICTURE ME BEIN SHOOK BY A WIZARD WITH SOUL PIECES STUFFED IN A BOOK
It wasn't dumb luck, we already know Draco has cold feet about his involvement in the Death Eaters. He didn't let himself get disarmed but he also probably felt relieved when he was
Came here just to see this
He had Fawkes absorb the death curse because phoenixes don't die permanently. It would have destroyed one of his statues or killed him outright because it's unblockable, so he used a different and original line of defense. Are you stupid?
When Harry is "killed" he thinks nobody else knows about the horcruxes. I do think it was stupid to bring the danger noodle to Hogwarts and then make Neville stand in front of it with a sword though
Tbf he had giant allies in the first war, but the dementors were a new ally (I'm pretty sure)
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So why didn't they go full voltron to defeat volemort and rubber band all the wands together and cast abra cadabra?
>Harry, did I ever tell you about Time-Turners? They are magical devices that allow the user to travel backwards in time. This incredible power may even be used to save lives, as you and your friends discovered with Buckbeak. Although the Ministry has an entire closet full of Time-Turners, it never occurred to them to use one to stop Voldemort during his reign of terror. It would have been as simple as using one after he killed someone, then lying in wait for him to appear, and stopping him. Alas, time-travel is simply too dangerous to be used lightly; unless it is for the express purpose of letting a little girl take extra classes one semester, and only if she is a good friend.
He assumed the curse that rebounded on him had tied him to Harry's mind by linking them through the blood magic. He didn't realize his attempt to make a new Horcrux had actually been expended on Harry himself.
>because the Elder Wand
Wait is THIS why dumbledore was the only wizard Voldemort ever feared?
He loses something each time he splits his soul
>This incredible power may even be used to save lives, as you and your friends discovered with Buckbeak.
It's a causality loop user. Buckbeak never died because they had already gone back in time to save him.
his strategy is retarded because the books are retarded. it makes absolutely no sense that dumbledore, the greatest wizard of his age, could not track down the horcruxes. harry, hermione, and ron track them all down in like one fucking book. what kind of idiot shit is this