Godfather Discussion

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original draft of Godfather 3
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In gonna make him an offer he absolutely can not decline - Michael Corleone

Why is The Godfather being discussed all of a sudden?

reddit arrived

'Godfather Origins: Luca Brasi' when?

No idea. Someone suggested it might be because it's on Netflix.

Came across Rocco in the 3 draft. I guess he was supposed to survive the Roth assassination. Maybe the plan was kill Roth, get arrested, take the minimum sentence, do the years and get a big reward when you come out.

>I hope their first child be a child that identifies as a male
Why was Coppola so PC in the 70s?

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Cicci fag here. What has his role been in the draft so far? And what's the original draft like? Haven't gotten to read yet.

Netflix.

This scene is perfect. I remember the ins and out and still how the tension escalates, the sound..
Is fucking amazing.
I have to say that plot and characters aside, the sequels don't have anything THIS good in my opinion. Lots of good, but not THIS.

this roach smacks your bf's ass and then looks at you like this, what do?

Movies don't use violence and blood as well as well as it used to be.

Shoot him in the head.
Him and his corrupted cop bodyguard that punched me.

He's literally Joey Zasa. They obviously crafted Zasa too replace him when the actor died.
Also got say, the Michael in this draft seems a lot more like the old Michael. Nowhere near as passive as the Michael that came to be in 3.
And the daughter character has had maybe two lines of dialogue in 40 or so pages.

Tell him he ain't that cleva

i feel bad for my older girl cousins. my new jersey naples trash family was heartbroken that they weren't masculine children.

why do the naples-descended new jersey italians look down on the siciggi? the ancient great-aunts in my family threw a fit when someone married a sicilian-descended new jersey italian.

god we're the worst.

>talking about The Godfather is rebbit

>talking about a reddit movie is reddit

What's the Tom stuff like?

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This is probably the highlight of both films for me, and it sucks I won't ever be able to watch this for the first time ever again

>Vito walking among the crowd as the fires of hell burn behind him

I always wondered if Tom knew about the abortion and when Mike found out, did he keep it to himself and that boiled over into some of his rage at the end of 2, when he asks if Tom is going to stay.

*I mean, did Mike assume Tom knew about the abortion?

i love how they danced around the fact that the NYPD was literally the irish mob

>I am a literal child and I think The Godfather trilogy is rebbit
Just honestly kill yourself.

Tom Hagan is so goddamn cool he's my favorite character of the entire saga

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>dude the 15th most reddit film of all time isn't reddit at all
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Watch all the extended Restoration material and you find out that there was an early draft of Part 3 where Tom and Michael tear the Corleone family apart in an internal died for power, brother against brother. Apparently, Duvall didn't want to do it.

*fued not died

>Apparently, Duvall didn't want to do it.

Based, it probably would have been just as bad as the version we ended up getting

Will you fuck off with your juvenile memespeak already? Christ, just discuss the goddamn film. I know you're a teenager, but learn some social cues.

Why discuss a reddit film here?

Part 3 really isn't that bad, people only think it's bad because it's compared to 1 and 2. It was a good conclusion to Micheal's arc, it had some pretty stark allegory and the only thing that really drags it down is Sophia.

I'm only 55 pages in and there's been absolutely zero tension between him and Michael. Tom was shot by the Russos (characters that aren't in Godfather 3) in an assassination attempt and Mike says "you're a consigliere again" when Mike advises them of the plan Altobello's working on with the Vatican. A lot of the Vincent stuff is quite similar. The apartment scene with the photographer is virtually exactly as shot. The rest of the story is completely different.

Come on now user. It's been so long since we have a good thread about a real kino.
Stop it with your plebbit fantasy, if you want to discuss kiddies movies capeshit or jewwar go to the other thread.

>rebbit rebbit rebbit rebbit rebbit
I try to imagine the type of person who gets this mad but I wonder, how exhausting this must be.

*record scratch*
*freeze frame*

Go make a thread about some random twitter screenshot user

>The rest of the story is completely different.
Although his son is still a lawyer who quit to become a singer so I'm guessing the opera climax is still there.

All these triggered redditors getting upset at being called out. Typical reddit behavior.

>250. The Cuckold
kek

>trying this hard
Really though, why?

>all those reddit films
Yikes

>I can't avoid memespeak for a second, everything has to be filtered through muh rebbit
What a life.

3 is a great film, I enjoy it more than 2, it's a great finale for the saga and you can't do nothing about it.


Fuck you.

hey reddit

You done yet? Getting paid by the word?

I agree that 3 is a great film, but I honestly can't see why you'd ever think that it's better than 2.

>I enjoy it more than 2
Could you uh...explain why?

>>Vito walking among the crowd as the fires of hell burn behind him
Wait, you mean movies had visual themes

Didn't say better, I said I enjoy it more. Of course, de Niro´s part on 2 is just fucking great, but the whole cuban plot is confusing and slow. 3 is kinda fan service mixed with nostalgia. The moment they get to Corleone the movie becomes beautiful, and I love Pacino in it. Don't hate Sofia Copola, it's not a great actress but not terrible either, don't get all the hate.

BUt yes, overall, 2 is a much better film.

All great actors act with their eyes.

Michael is fucking terrified of what he's about to do.

Sup Forums has had godfather threads since before Reddit existed. Cry more.

yea, watch it again and keep an eye out for the color orange.

I think at the end is a good thing they did not have the actors at the right time to ruin Tom Hagen and Clemenza.
I am biased tough, they are my favorite of the whole saga.

>terrified
i see it more as Michael recognizing it as a point of no return to his previous life, including temporary exile.

>Cuban plot is confusing
Not if you know a tad bit of history about communist Cuba and Castro's rise. It is actually true to a degree that organized Italian families sought refuge with the Cuban government, who accepted trafficked drugs, weapons and money in and out of the country.

In the movie, it's right before the Revolution, which makes Roth feel like the current administrative government is stable and they cut him a big slice of Cuban pie to take his American and Italian business interests to Cuba at lower tax costs and little oversight. Mike is weary after he sees the rebels, makes him want to back out of the deal...and why Fredo doesn't give them the money yet, it's sitting in a hotel room. Mike uses his reluctance to partner with Roth to fish for info and see if Roth is gonna put a hit on him while in Cuba, since he knows that Roth ordered the hit at his Nevada home (with Fredo's info).

*wary

It also goes back to what Sonny told him, he had never killed a man on short range distance before.

There's terror, anxiety, hesitation, contemplation. So much conveyed in just a few moments. Apparently the Paramount executives weren't convinced at all that Pacino was right for the part until they saw this moment.

ah, fantastic. thank you.

>Apparently the Paramount executives weren't convinced at all that Pacino was right for the part until they saw this moment

i can believe that. thank you.

Same with part 3, is related to Calvi and Sindona and the Banco Ambrosiano affair.
The makers were not shy to make RL references and did not go for the least common denominator.

Sicilians have mixed African and Middle Eastern blood. Some mainlanders look down on that. And the Northerners look down on the Southerners

cant do it sally

Did anybody finish reading the first draft of 3?

I always thought it was werid how they treated micheal as if he never fired a gun, let alone the fact he is a USMC Combat Veteran with the Navy cross, i know a hit and military combat arent the same persay, but its as if they thought he woulsnt be able to compose himself under pressure

Sicilians are often swarthy but it depends.
The sub-saharian genetic component does not go above 5%. They have a strong north-african and levantine genetics, but then again there are blonde berbers.
Normans and celts (the latter moved there by romans) lived in sicily, albeit albainans moved there, and muslim when it was an emirate. This added to the original population(s).
My sicilian grandmother was blonde and blue eyed, but many other relatives there could be takes for, say Tunisians or even Iranians easily.

It was a bit overplayed but I think that is a way for the movie to draw a clear line between war and murder.
It avoided unfortunate implication for the servicemen since Michael used to be one.

my 3/4 sicillian cousin looks exactly, 100% exactly, like the composite photo for the arab phenotype. he is always chosen for enhanced screening at airports and the blacks he works with do not consider him white, which drives him crazy.

They knew that he wouldn't consider both types of killing as the same thing; one was for your country and from afar, the other one was for revenge, business and family.

sure is Reddit in here

As Italian, I can tell you that there are in fact 2 so called "mediterranean" phenotypes.
One is swarthier, often has curly hair, a north african face but regular, like Zidane, so to say.
Then you have more levantine features in others, longer noses often seen in Iranians and Jews.
Of course, you can have a mix of these features, or even features like those above mixed with lighter colors - I have been taken for an Ashkenazi Jew because I am levantine in the features but light in the complexion. Oy gevalt.

Tom, can you get me off the hook? For old times sake?

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based Clemenza

>I have been taken for an Ashkenazi Jew
that's so funny - same here. in fact, it's often assumed when in their company. sometimes terroni + irish == a chosen person. i assume napolitan are considered terroni, correct?

>he puts so much meat in that pan

Just realised he bumps the camera when he walks past at the end. Or am I a fucking retard.

more accurate than the Goodfellas "liquify the garlic" nonsense.

That actually is true, you make butter garlic that way. Sometimes I forget some of you are neets who don't cook.

>i assume napolitan are considered terroni, correct?
They are the terroni-est, even if they are in the northern part of what we consider the south of the country.
Their organized crime is more thuggish and savage than sicilian mafia, BTW. See Gomorra.

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GOBBOLA IS AN HACK

Yeah. I just did. It's not civil war between Tom and Michael. It's actually pretty similar to the Godfather 3 we got except Michael gets shot in the head after the opera and then they have a montage of clearing all those responsible that parallels Michael's funeral, sort of like an inverted Baptism montage. There's a couple of other big differences like they use an armoured car to assassinate the Russos and Cicci instead of thoe horseback assassination that they used on Zasa.
It's obviously a rough draft and desu not very good. The story and script from the movie 3, whilst similar is better and cleaner. I don't know where this civil war between Tom and Mike came from now. Did Coppola pull a Lucas and just say that's what he wanted to do after the fact? This draft is not like that at all.

>first cousins having sex


wincest arc was the great redeemer of 3

So what is Tom's role?

Tom was the acting capo at the end of Godfather 2, remember? You don't just go

>ok, give it back now

So shit like Vincent being Michael's successor and Mary getting caught in the crossfire still happened?

Lawyer working with Mike to get the Vatican deal over the line. He eventually takes on the role of consigliere after the Russos attempt to assassinate him when he stumbles on the counterfeit certificates the Vatican and Altobello are producing to give him in exchange for the money he's paying the Vatican to cover the money the Archbishop lost. Vincent becomes acting don almost instantly. Michael has no hesitation giving him the role in the script but wants him to only be defensive, not initiate anything. Tom gets pretty much pushed to the side after that.

Vincent is Michael's successor but way earlier. His romance with Mary barely happens. They have two short scenes together. Mary is barely in it at all. She doesn't die at the opera, only Michael does.

Good because that romance always weirds me out. Man they're direct cousins

Actually sounds like a better ending. Michael keeling over of old age always seemed out of place.

I did like the reflection of all his loves leaving him though. The movie has a few good scenes with Michael reflecting on his life. Coppola had a great vision on the human themes but the plot was lacking in the 3rd film.

It's a good contrast to Vito dying of old age in his garden and Michael going out in bloodshed like he came in

Yeah, I always found it weird too.
In this script Michael tells Mary they can't marry because they're first cousins but then in the same scene just basically says fuck it, do what you want. The Immobilaire chairman character doesn't exist either so Vincent never goes to Altobello pretending to want to betray Michael to be with his daughter.

>Actually sounds like a better ending. Michael keeling over of old age always seemed out of place.
I am conflicted about this.
A swift death could be merciful for Mike and make his damnation less poignant.

Reminder that the book included a subplot about Sonny’s massive cock causing his wife, to the point that she was relieved when he found a mistress with a freakishly large vagina. Said mistress eventually ran to Hollywood, befriended Johnny Fontane, and got plastic surgery to make her puss smaller. She then married the plastic surgeon. Copolla chose not to include this subplot, for some reason.

The ending is certainly better structured and makes more sense for Michael to die there rather than Mary. Maybe if Mary was likeable it would feel more tragic but most people don't seem to care or welcome it. I also like the idea of the funeral montage contrasting with the baptismal montage from the first film.

This sounds like a subplot from a porn parody.

>for some reason.