25% Less Spent On Comics In August 2017 Than In August 2016

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Quit shoving SJW shit that only appeals to like 4% of the population down everyone else's throat.

Serves them right for forcing all this diversity quota and sjw bullshit on their readers instead of producing quality content. I hope they keep getting hit like this until they learn their lesson.

I really wonder if the Big 2 can sustain themselves by mid-century? There's always going to be comics fans whether DC/Marvel or indies, but I honestly don't see cape comics lasting long.

I genuinely lean toward liberal issues, but when comics start to preach this shit instead of entertainment value, no wonder people are abandoning ship.

I honestly wonder what goes on in the minds of comic editors in DC and Marvel? Marvel specifically because not only do they give the finger to long time readers from before 2000, they also bash on white male fans; their largest demographics.

You won't be able to tell if they still shove that stuff in because 1-5 examples of it a year are enough to put off comics completely

Marvel might be fucked, but DC actually makes money in bookstores so there might might just see a shift to smaller physical runs for collectors but most stuff going digital first and then to trade.

I'll never buy a digital comic. I embrace everything in modern tech except for reading a comic or book electronically. I want to actually feel paper in my hands and not look at a screen.

I grew up reading Marvel, but lately, I've been buying a lot of pre-90's DC in bargain bins as well as getting TPBs of notable storylines. And I really enjoy their animated movies.

>Bleeding Cool

Having a liberal message are being bad are different things, hate to break it to you. Marvel are doing both, but you don't have to do both.

Anyway the real reason for these figures are probably because less Star Wars launches and a worse-selling big event than last year. Remember to never assume Rich the Leech is accurate, has done research or has journalistic integrity.

The lack of true ownership is what bugs me about it. I do prefer that physical feel too, but there are some positive qualities to digital (mainly no gutter loss).

It's still not a problem. The comic book industry is not dying. Fuck off, you shills. No one cares.

I remember when writers like Alan Moore, despite clearly having a political bias, still had the nerve to portray his side as morally ambiguous and flawed (V), and even views he completely disagreed with, he still had characters that represented them as sympathetic and real (Watchmen). Modern Marvel writers either don't or can't do that.

good
it must be purged and remade anew

Does Alonso feel shame knowing he'll go down as the man who killed Spider-man?

Peter David still works for Marvel

>le leftist culture is crashing down
THIS IS MY LAST RESORT

I can't see comic book writers today portraying Right-Wing characters with any respect that Rorschach was given. Moore stated once that he thought Objectivism was a total joke, but still gave Ditko's knock-off character a level of dignity that wouldn't be sold in Marvel comics. Apparently, the Nazis are still a strong faction that dwarfs real-life ISIS in the Marvel universe.

Who else /unironicallyhappy/ about this? It's happening!

Good writers can step out of their personal beliefs and bias, even for a moment, just to write a good story.

It's not so much as leftist culture as Hollywood is churning out shit. They're giving us remake after remake or not taking risks in writing a well-written story that makes a decent profit, but not blockbuster profits.

As much as it pains me to say this, I'm actually getting tired of how comic movies are dominating the film landscape. It's like how horror movies were from the mid-70's all the way to the early 90's. It's gonna crash and burn at some point.

Plus who wants to pay 15 bucks or more to be in a theater full of other people who are loud and/or smelly? I only go to matinees on Saturdays because I can't stand having too many people.

Leftists shoving their message down people's throats is just one part of the problem why Hollywood didn't do well this summer. TV is far more preferable now since the writing quality and productions have been increasing since the late 90's. Not to mention streaming from Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu with their original programming that's willing to take a chance.

Why would an artist work for a the Big 2 and allow themselves to be abused and underpaid when they could draw pinups and porn of random Sup Forums, Sup Forums, Sup Forums characters and make a lot of money via Patreon.

They can't get around their fanboyism over certain characters and dismiss others that they don't like or understand.

To propagandists, the propaganda is more important than anything

Okay. I don't read comics anyway, I just watch cartoons.

August 2016 was the second month of Rebirth. Of course it's down. Rebirth made it jump like 40% from the previous year. Even if SE weren't flopping like a fish it'd still be down from last year.

It's jarring how everyone assumes someone as right-wing is going to be a white supremacist gun-toting white hick. I don't much like modern Republicans, but if you portray everyone on the right as knuckle-dragging assholes, no shit they're not going to respond to you very well.

Whatever happened to having a nuanced approach to people and ideologies? Where are the balance centrists and moderates?

>but there are some positive qualities to digital (mainly no gutter loss).
True, but I'm usually very careful with my comics. Plus you can always DL a scan of physical copies you own as a back-up to read.

he is a DC sleeper agent, so no

I have the link:

youtube.com/watch?v=qSdZETnEacA

>Alan Moore thinks Rorschach is the most unpleasant right-wing character he has written for Watchmen
>Says outright that Rorschach's politics is completely mad from his point of view
>Despite this, Moore claims Rorschach almost becomes the hero of Watchmen, in a cast that's mostly morally grey, if not worse.
>Writes Rorschach with the one with the most moral integrity
Mad respect for Moore here. I may not like all of his works, but the way he writes his characters with such nuance and depicts them in a positive light above even characters more politically aligned to his politics, just demonstrates his dedication to his craft.

Shhh, this is't a thread for logic. It's yet another thread where we bitch endlessly about muh SJWs at muh Marvel and trust completely in Bleeding Cool.

I think that one is just Hollywood being more creatively dead than ever except this time even the general audience is starting to realize it.

>Where are the balance centrists and moderates?

We're being called nazis too.

>July 2017 Sold 25% Fewer Comics Than July 2016 – Overall 2017 Sales Fall For First Time
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>25% Less Spent On Comics In August 2017 Than In August 2016 As Direct Market Sales Fall Off A Cliff
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Holy shit bros!! How did the comic sales drop so much from July and August of last year?! It dropped 25%!! That's fucking crazy!! Comic shops everywhere are going to close!! Clearly it's the fault of those ESS JAY DUBYAS!

>Have we started the fire?

Holy shit Marvel shipping 39 more books than DC yet could still barely beat them.

To be fair, two Marvel/DC events running at the same time should be able to match a relaunch even if the normal ongoing didn't. SE massively underperformed, sold worse than fucking normal Batman issues.

>ESS JAY DUBYAS!
Why are you pronouncing it like a nigger?

Lee and Didio said they're focusing on evergreen trades, short self contained stories with beginning and ending.

>To be fair, two Marvel/DC events running at the same time should be able to match a relaunch even if the normal ongoing didn't.
Not really. Just about every DC Rebirth issue was selling close to or over 100k. That's not going to be beat when DC is just putting out Metal right now and even if SE wasn't an embarrassment.

being called worse than nazis in some cases. people seem desperate for an enemy nowadays.

No it's the SJWs fault!!!!!!

>Papa Roach got their first album made with Dreamworks Records
>Dreamworks had their own fucking label
You learn something new every day.

based Marvel crashing the cancerous industry

>D&C and Capn Cummies were right

Apologize

Fuck off and stop shilling your awful youtube channel

IT ALL RETURNS TO NOTHING

a 4% that doesn't even buy comics to begin with.

>Comic shops everywhere are going to close
Actually, they are.

>Print media stores suffer closures post year 2000
Real big surprise here.

I don't think you understand how successful Rebirth was initially.

The western comic industry's total collapse would be a godsend.

Even a Patreon model would be preferable to the fucking mess we have now.

>I don't think you understand how successful Rebirth was initially.

>initially

Exactly. Rebirth was just another quick gimmick to boost sales, just like all the other shitty gimmicks that ultimately had no consequence. It was a brief spasm of life in a dying business.

>BC clickbait sales threads have more replies than the threads whose OP is sales rankings nowadays
The absolute state of Sup Forums

Tell that to that Japs

>Cheap print media created by practical slave labor and sold to a population of NEETS so hardcore that their national birth rates are plummeting to emergency levels due to nobody fucking isn't suffering as badly as elsewhere.
Real big surprise here.

For a long time people on Sup Forums seemed to understand that BC was trash, but lately there have been threads taking it at complete face value. I assume it's newfags looking for something to be triggered about.

A certain youtuber has brought BC back to popularity in Sup Forums

Marvel has few editors, meaning it's Brevoort, Alonso, Amanat, and Bendis's fiefdom.

By focusing on the Milkshake girls, the YouTube conservatives are missing the target and letting the real chiefs get away with it.

Alot of Marvel's writers, if they wrote Babylon 5, would have portrayed the Vorlons as the good guys.

Same could be said to whites in general.

Stay salty.

What this guy said
It just seems like a complete waste of time to get invested in a bunch of new minority characters that even the authors cant be bothered to take the time to introduce, build up and hand off the legacy title to. Half the time there was a comparable minority character already lined up to claim the legacy title but the author fell in love with his new donut steel character and so pretended to forget about any other minority characters that existed before


Its the same thing with the new ghostbusters film. It would have been interesting to see a sober hand-off from the old generation to the young generation. Maybe even touching to see them go into retirement and hand the proton pack to younger and fitter busters. but NOOOOOOO telling a good story is not the writers' goal, SJW memes are instead

Good thing I'm not white!

Good writers seek to make you understand a character, and why they do what they do.

This is 100% true. Like if you want good Marvel comics, you need to get rid of Brevoort Bendis and Alonso. They're the ones who've overseen this incredible lack of editorial oversight, lazy writing and horrible movie synergy.

Oh right, that makes sense. They probably love each other, mutual clickbait.

>Where are the balance centrists and moderates?

Being blamed for Trump, called fence-sitters, etcetera.

It always goes back to those three. But there were huge cutbacks back in 2011 or so when the entire editorial office got gutted.
It's a meme, but Marvel literally does not have a lot of editors anymore

Right but what actually happens now is:
>character is anything other than generic white guy, has any kind of liberal opinion of social problem at all
Sup Forumsniggers REEEEE the fuck up about it, blame muh Jews/cultural Marxism and go nuts on twitter and Sup Forums
>character says anything remotely problematic or unprogressive
tumblr REEEEE the fuck up about it, take it as the author's own opinion and go nuts on twitter and tumblr

We're trapped in a cyclone of ever-increasing idiocy where nobody can say anything sincere or meaningful. No wonder can't write.

MARVEL, PLEASE HIRE ACTUAL EDITORS AND LET THEM DO THEIR JOBS

It doesnt even make any because they clearly dont REALLY care about the new BLACKED versions of characters. Because the MCU still uses the popular white versions of them. If Marvel really cared about diversity they would replace the movie versions with the new diverse versions.

The incredible lack of editorial oversight is because of Perlmutter gutting the editorial department in 2011. If you just get rid of even more of their editors then that will only make the editorial oversight problems even worse.

Marvel's problem is that they need to spend money to make money and Perlmutter refuses to allow them to spend money, so you end up with an understaffed and underpaid editorial department combined with horrible working conditions causing anyone with a shred of talent running off for greener pastures.

I think the abscence of editors comes from Perlmutter being a toy guy. With a toy, it doesn't matter how batshit insane the premise is or how it affects continuity because kids will eat that shit up regardless.
Comic book readers will eat shit, but there's only so much shit they can eat before it stops appealing to them.

I'd love to see an executive meeting where they propose that to the higher-ups. I wonder how it would go?

I don't mind race/gender bending but 99.999999% of them are written as shit.

Here, I'll write a better Riri

>Riri's mother is dying
>confess to her that her real father is some superhero
>It was Toney
>which she kept secret also and didn't golddigged because don't need no man
>Riri now confronts Toney
>He hologram
>Hologram toney can't compute and AI tries to compensate processing
>Adventures begin here
>After many issues Toney gets resurrected
>This becomes clusterfuck father-daughter arc
>Riri is more closer to Hologram dad than the real
Etsetera x2

Are they going to realize they're pandering to a demographic that doesn't buy comics?
Are they going to realize making marginally more money now by discouraging your readers forever doesn't work in the long run?
Are they going to realize any of this shit is their fault, address it, and fix the problem?

No, it's going to be sexism or piracy or whatever other boogeyman of the year and then they're going to make some shit up about how online communities sharing comics are the problem or whatever the fuck they can think of and just continue trashing the industry longterm for a quicker buck right now.

Why does this have to happen EVERYWHERE?

Japan's birthbate has actually rised this year thanks to their government and companies making an effort to encourage relationships instead of importing thirdworlders to artificially keep it up.

I think they thought that leftism is the future since Obama won. Now they gone too deep and can't just remove commies within their ranks

>they also bash on white male fans; their largest demographics.
This is the most baffling thing. You would think something like pic related would be cause enough for Marvel to call these offenders in and give them a warning, but considering people like Gabby continue to say this stuff and not delete the tweets, it's clear that isn't happening.

Do they think having people like this be the face of certain series is good business? Fucking Gottfriend got fired from Aflac for way less.

>I genuinely lean toward liberal issues
kill yourself

Why do you retards always lump in DC with Marvel's faggotry?

It's the same thing. You only look stupid by denying it.

they are written by people who dont understand emotions or care for their history and backstory, also people who just don't like superheroes.
Answer me this, in any of these beige'd capes, do they act like the humans with real problems that marvel became famous for. Have you seen them drastically change expression in just a panel or two? That is because the people hired to write comics all got there through nepotism and have underdeveloped emotions and psyches, all the good comic writers and artists have to scrape out a living drawing disgusting furry porn comissions and web-comic patreons. Thus is the fate of any centralized systems.

Because prices are lower?

Is he the guy who made up doctor endless wholecloth?

Sales are down too, user.

Yep. Years ago he claimed that he had information that would sink the entirety of one of the Big Two, but refused to tell anyone (or any actual authorities). He said that it was something worse than Jimmy Saville, but instead to telling people, just pumped out clickbait about how important the person is.

Sup Forums assumed that it was something about Ike Perlmutter, and theorized that it was related to his time in the military. Johnston now denies that he ever had something that big and important

This attitude on both sides is a big part of the problem.

"Anyone who disagrees with me should "kys" is a childish, fascistic attitude.

Well, Perlmutter is certainly reclusive.

Manga sales have been in steady decline for years now. A major method of distribution, cheap entertainment for public transit users, was ripped away by mobile gaming and internet.

Get used to it, the two sides dont disagree on the best way to get to a shared goal, they want totally opposing things and only one can win.

If you don't want your opponents to kill themselves you aren't even politically engaged

70 percent of aflac's business came from japan. gottfried made a whoopsie.

I'm not American so what baffles me is how people are allowed to single out whole groups of people like this. Assuming this is a real tweet she wants to fuck with you just for being white and straight. Why is that OK?

they really fucking need to promote more new, original contents
Stop using the same old heroes or cape stories from the fucking 50s for fuck sake

>Stop using the same old heroes

DC is literally doing this in a few months with Dark Matter and Young Animal was about breathing new life into forgotten characters. To bad it wont pay off because this industries readers are cancerous characterfags

Are you actually insinuating that people don't want gender and racial politics in their comics?

>G I Joe writer Aubrey Sitterson calls Luce’s cover ‘one of my absolute favorites to date’, as it portrays the Dreadnoks in a decidedly hyper-masculine throes of wrestling. And as it’s the first time a queer creator has tackled these staunchly heterosexual characters and property, it’s nice to see Luce play with it a bit with more than a pinch (or should that be headlock?) of homoeroticism.

>I mean, that is an olive drab I see in a right pocket there. You know the hanky code, right?

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But if I recall, he said that way before the Twitter days, right? It was during some stand-up performance. And most people didn't even KNOW he did the voice to begin with, firing him pointed out that he did.

>Paste: Speaking of Scarlett—she’s thrust into a leadership role as soon as Revolution kicks off, without Duke, Flint, Hawk or other past team leaders in sight. What do you want to tell readers about Scarlett’s new role?

>Sitterson: It’s time, right? It’s well past time for Scarlett to be in charge. Scarlett has always been, not just a strong female character, but a strong character period, full-stop. And that was one of the Joe concept’s great strengths: the creators’ insistence on a level of both gender and racial diversity and representation that wasn’t just progressive for the time, but practically unheard of. But still, looking back on the Scarlett of the past…she’s always left me wanting more.

>While it was great to have her up in the mix, showing that she’s just as competent as her male colleagues—if not more so—at the end of the day, a distressing amount of Scarlett’s stories had to do with her being the center of one love triangle or another. Not to get all gender theory on you, but that’s troubling, as it turns her from an actor in her own right to a kind of damsel or prize to be won by the men in the storyline. Also: she did it all while wearing what amounts to a furry bathing suit.

>No more of that. In our G.I. Joe, Scarlett is the boss. The buck stops with her. She’s not running things on behalf of someone else—she’s the leader. And she’ll be confronted by all of the challenges and difficulties that any leader would face in her position. And what’s more? She’s ditched the furry bathing suit.

>The crossbow ain’t going anywhere, though. I love that on a team with a dude lugging a humongous cannon around, Scarlett is such a badass that all she needs is a medieval weapon.

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