Where did the DCEU go wrong?

Directors?

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kys capemong

when they hired zack snyder

Firing Snyder from JL is where they went wrong.

*fired

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Josh Whedon

Is Suicide Squad the ultimate pleb filter?
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sure buddy whatever helps you sleep at night

Rush everything, hiring Snyder, hiring whedon, cuts everywhere.

they thought shitty comics could make not shitty movies

suits

the answer is suits

they need ONE guy in charge. like based feige. somebody competent, somebody who knows their shit, and somebody EVERYBODY else answers to.

but WB isn't built that way, they'd never allow it. they all want credit and they all want to business their way into box office glory so they can pop champagne. they should spinoff DC into their own separate division but that would make sense. and no johnsfags, johns is not the guy either.

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WB got rid of Alan Horn. Kevin Fujihara is a panicky faggot who doesn't know how to commit to a course of action

And yet the WB had a great year at the box office. Why is DC one of their few high profile fuck ups?

The executive producers

If the DC studio had a Kevin’s Feige in charge they could’ve had great movies. Probably better than the MCU without fucking Disney’s meddling

How hard would a Superman, World’s Finest, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and Aquaman movies be?

Then only Flash and Martian Manhunter would not have solo movies before Justice League. Flash is introduced as already knowing GL and gets his solo post-JL, and Martian Manhunter is very involved in the beginning plot of JL and gets his introduction thereby.

Let’s be honest, each DCEU movie was terrible from top to bottom. The only mistake they didn’t make was Cavill’s casting as Superman. The casting of every other JL member, aside from Cyborg who has no business being in JL before TT (b-but muh new 52!!), was fucking horrendous.

Actors, directors, scripts. Basically everywhere

MCU has its fucking flaws but holy shit, Chris Evans, Hemsworth, even quipmachine RDJ are perfectly casted for their roles. The $14 billion franchise Disney has was propped up on their shoulders.

Affleck and Gadot are laughably terribly suited for Batman and Wonder Woman.

1. Much too rushed, trying to catch up to Marvel

2. No long term plan

3. No one person with a single unified vision. i.e. to many cooks in the kitchen

4. Too much reliance on Zach Snyder. he's a capable director with the right material but no visionary.

5. Poor vetting. Affleck has been a basket case since the conclusion of Argo's awards season but DC didn't seem to know or care.

Trying to cater to Marvel fans instead of cultivating their own small but growing fans.
People are cliquey bandwagoners and are easily led by online opinions. WB entered into a hostile reviewer environment unprepared. They never stood a chance. A fanboy is a fanboy and he cares only for a brand and not the quality. People say BvS is bad and act like it's the worst movie ever made, yet it stands at 27% at RT while Thor 2 stands at 66%.
Noone can say with a straight face that Thor 2 is better than BvS. The brainlet meme is real.

Thor 2 was a soulless cardboard cutout flick made to just leave up to Avengers 3.

BvS was terrible casted, with cringey dialogue and even story, and was offensive to the source material

>People say BvS is bad and act like it's the worst movie ever made
it is, but not worse than suicide squad

I definitely enjoyed Thor 2 more than BvS. Loki's trick at the end and him becoming king was kino, too bad it lead to nowhere in thor 3 but still.

No they forgot Josh Whedon in the credit there.

By expecting too much from the audience. This isn’t an argument painting the general as misogynists for rejecting poorly-sketched, badly handled female character, or “alt righters” for hating on a film out of racial or political motivations.

It’s calling the general audience and the overwhelming majority of “critics” culturally illiterate morons for being too lazy to actually engage with film, and too stupid to understand it even when they try. If that were where it ended, it would be bad enough, but it’s compounded by the fact that “critics,” whose primary role in society is to attempt to critique art and entertainment solely on its merits, willfully ignores or acknowledges artistic merit based upon factors that lie outside the film itself, as well as what they perceive a work’s message to be. That’s not film criticism. That’s social commentary and editorializing. In other words, not their fucking jobs.

If they had a modicum of integrity, they would mock films like “The Last Jedi” for being the incoherent, contradictory mess that it is. They would lambast Aronofsky’s latest film for being masterful execution of an incredibly poorly-constructed, muddled allegory, that obscures its own message through its self-serving intellectual cowardice. And they would ignore the color of the director of Black Panther’s skin and attack it for borrowing so heavily from pre-existent works, some of which verge on compounded plagiarism, considering who made the Lion King and where it stole from to begin with.

None of these things happen in the vast, reverberating echo chamber that the entertainment-social-media complex has become, so we can expect to be inundated with yet more uninspired, line-assembled, focus-tested, flavors of the month that are yet more rehashes of earlier, better works.

You have only yourselves to blame. You chose this. Now get back in line for the next thousand helpings of bread for the next thousand circuses.

sorry to tell you this kid, but Jesus references aren't kino

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>its a black man educates the DC executives episode

I love these episodes.

Not understanding that capeshit is inherently bereft of any emotional impact. People don't see capeshit to see Superman as an allegory of Jesus, they see it because they want Superman to fuck up Lex Luthor.

They were banking on a director with very limited mass appeal who tried to make good movies rather than popular movies, which the public rejected. Then they tried to overcompensate by basically doing the the same thing as the competition, but worse, which people didn't watch either because it's the same as the competition, but worse.

Didn’t take their time. Expected to launch a super franchise with no build up

They de-canonized the nolan batman movies

Executive Meddling.

We have this thread once a day ya simp and come to the same conclusion.

without executive meddling, they'd all be man of steel, and that was shit

What about Horus references?

Zack Snyder directed the whole film. He's even credited as the director. Stop pretending that trainwreck was Whedon's fault.

MoS was meddled with as well, ya bam. The only one that wasn't heavily meddled with was arguably Wonder Woman, but it was meddled with in different ways that the director managed to accommodate. The entire film is framed around a Zack Snyder plot link he was forced to add in to BvS.

Or Apollo references?

>Executive Meddling

It's obvious that Snyder had way too much freedom when making BvS. I think the problem is actually the lack of executive meddling

>affleck is a terrible Batman

Holy shit is it 2013 again? please say yes. I miss uni

Or Jehovah references?

Almost everything bad about MoS was Snyder's vision

no, he was right the first time

This. Marvel casting is perfect for the most part. Of course they have fuck ups too, see the Carter women, Black Widow, Heimdall and "valkyrie" for proof, but the rest of the Avengers and characters like Bucky and Falcon are 10/10.

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Brainlets.

yeah, thanks to it all the pleb stays in DCEU fans basket

>way too much freedom when making BvS
>Couldn't even release his intended cut, another company cut it down by 30 minutes
>Forced to tie in all future movies
>Forced to add cameos
>Forced to add Batman when he wanted a MoS sequel

Yeah nah.

They were never part of any "canon" bigger than themselves. They were a trilogy of movies with no attachement to anything else. These used to exist.

Do you think we'll get a tell all book/story in a couple years when this officially collapses?

>Snyder’s major change was convincing Nolan to agree to let Superman snap Zod’s neck
Great, so he was responsible for the dumbest part of the movie

And now, how about proving me right, proving how little you really know about comics, and proving that even with me spoon feeding you, you’re still too fucking dumb to interpret what you’re seeing?

If you want to save yourself some time and admit you don’t like thinking and really aren’t all that good at it because you’ve devoted your entire existence to letting other people do that for you, that’s fine, too. Either way, you’re still proving my original point.

>Not the bland color or the serious tone
Nah

I agree with that, but they could have used those movies as the springboard into an expanded universe, rather than reboot.

That's the best part, user

Supes ever kill Zod in the comics?

how is this one Jehovah?

Snyder loves both of those things. But Supes agonizing over being forced to kill an evil space alien after personally destroying half of a major city is by far the most retarded thing in the movie.

He just explained it, idiot.

Dunno, but I doubt supes ever killed thousands of civilians as collateral damage and then cried over killing a villain in the comics.

Bitch, just stop, OK? The same people who used to like Marvel comics, also liked DC. Everyone had his own preferences, there was always some rivalry, but your vision of angry nerds hating each other is retarded. The actual tribalization is a product of normies who suddenly wanted to "join a group" when MCU and DCEU started to compete with each other.

It’s a reference to the Passover. That’s as Old Testament as it gets.

what does the old testament has to do with Jehovah?

>DCEU
>expecting too much from the audience
Nothing worse than a pleb thinking he's a patrician.

Are you fucking kidding me? I really hope you are.

God isn't Jehova m8, that's the jewish god.

Thanks for confirming you know jack shit about comics.

They should let patty Jenkins take the reigns.

too many cumskins

In the comics, he executes a capured, subdued Zod with Kryptonite.

Affleck was a perfect Batman so ...

This is a good point about Argo I think he has mental problems that have never been properly addressed because he comes from Boston and there is some macho upbringing getting in the way of that. You can tell when he sabotaged his marriage with a ugly whore and briefly considered converting from Catholic to Muslim that he was really hurting and especially didn't hurt that BvS had such a horrible reception.

I hope he can find peace somehow.

Humans are one thing but he was agonizing over having to kill the final part left of his race and planet, in the heat of the moment of trying to save Earth he killed people but never intentionally did so it was collateral damage.

Also he stared at the scared crying family and realized what he'd done and how he killed innocents. It was actually a really brilliant idea for a scene if people would stop autistically throwing a shitfit because of Superman killing people is some unforgivable sin even though it basically killed him by sacrifice.

Superman was psychologically scarred and looking for any reason to make it up to humanity after this event. Its brave and original to put him in the position of stripping away his heroism and goodness and giving Superman a realistic reaction to recklessly using his powers.

The Old Testament is the Torah. The Pentateuch, the first five books of the Old Testament, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy, is the same as it is in the Torah.

Being forced to personally kill a person with your bare hands is difficult business for a good person, no matter who they are. Superman is a good person and this is the first time he's been in that situation or any situation like it

Exactly. Along with Faora and Non, if I remember correctly.

When they tried to make a Superman trilogy directed by Nolan but he wans't to make more capeshit, so they go to the next guy in the list and after the avengers sucess they changed the Superman trilogy to a rushed "cinematic universe"

Like any of these people watching the movies read comics just stop.

Oops, I forgot Numbers.

This is really the answer. Man of Steel was done filming before Avengers even was on screen, it was clear from the get-go that it was supposed to be a Nolanesque take on Superman, and then Warner Bros shoved extended universe in there, and it all went downhill from there

>but he was agonizing over having to kill the final part left of his race and planet
Which he didn't even fucking know about until very recently
>Also he stared at the scared crying family and realized what he'd done
If he weren't retarded he would have realized it when the first skyscraper fell. And if he actually cared he would have tried to lead or force Zod away

Yeah, but if it's Sup Forums we're talking about, there's a lot of us growing up with comics and cartoons based on them. Do you know anyone who loved Batman: The Animated series but hated X-Men in the '90s? Yeah, me neither.

I thought superman being a stupid hypocrite was just in Injustice, not Superman proper

Superman is a good person, that's why he destroyed a satellite for looking at him and threatened to murder batman

Where's this copypaste from?

When they hired Zack Snyder and gave him full control over the universe and then allowed BvS to happen as the second movie in the universe.

His vision sucks

>all these homos defending batfleck
Lol have you fucking losers been crying behind ur computer screen since 2012? Pathetic

>read the comics, Snyder!
based

BTAS/JLU>X-Men=90s Spider-Man>>>>>>>>>Iron Man/Avengers cartoon. Who would have thought The Avengers would be the biggest movie franchise?

If you had told me 10 years ago when The Dark Knight debuted that Marvel would dominate cape films, I would've laughed. I honestly believed that trying to create a Marvel movie continuity would be too convoluted compared to DC. This is because the Justice League cartoon would've served as the best template to create a DC movie continuity.

WB's execs really need to get their heads out of their asses, collaborate with people in DC that understand the characters and how to sell it to viewers, and most of all, take their fucking time and not rush things.

Seriously, why didn't WB just do a live action adaptation of the DCAU? Would have been great

EMH>>BTAS/JLU

>Who would have thought The Avengers would be the biggest movie franchise?
Exactly. It wasn't until Earth's Mightiest Heroes from 2010 that Marvel had a counterpart to Timm-Dini's Justice League.

Because the suits in charge think they know better. Seriously, execs have their heads so far up their asses that they truly believe they know best compared to DC writers and animators.

Its allright, Shlomo. Jesus.

You know what EMH and the Ant-Man movie managed to do that the comics couldn't? Make Hank Pym into a likable badass. Even EMH Wasp was awesome compared to the bitch that she is in the comics.

Both Lex and the Batman are foreshadowed in MoS. Highly doubt that’s coincidence. It wasn’t like the cinematic universe concept was some huge industry secret at that point.

Why don’t you try searching it?

Zod wasn’t interested in being led away. He was interested in dying a warrior’s death. He knew the best way to bring that to pass was by *keeping* the fight in a populated area.

Agreed.

Firing Zack Snyder. The DCEU was immensely successful before that, regardless what the Disney-bought media narrative was saying.

Who is the women next to Snyder??

This

James Wan