So what did we think?

So what did we think?
Shit first half GOAT second half?
Because that's what I thought

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Everything but Michelle Rodriguez was GOAT

I wish it were Michelle "Angry military latina" Rodriguez.
It was discount angry brown lady.
Who was shit

That bear scene tho

black'd

>Lena was blacked
>movie says it was a form of self-destruction
R-redpilled?

>That bear scene tho
This. Holy fuck that scene. The rest of the movie is disposable

It was surprisingly shit.

How reliant on Stalker is it?
The trailer makes it look like a straight rip off.

It felt extremely amateurish.
Like the opening scenes were full of shot reverse shot 5 second cuts.
THAT'S ALL YOU COULD DO
Nigga's back from the dead and you tell that story by doing soap opera shit?

They can call it whatever they want. As long as my waifus keep getting BLACKED I'm all for it.

The premise is barebones the same but that's about it.
>People go into crazy zone. People want to get to heart of crazy zone. Shit happens inside zone.

why didn't the girls wear radiation suits or something?

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>that bear scene
>mfw "HEEEEELP! HHHHHEEEELP MEEE"

They had to walk for like a week. No one can do that in a hazmat suit.
That was like the least thing wrong with their preparedness. The worst part was how blase they were about everything
>Hey we're in a zone where no one for 3 years has come back alive
>Let's not be hyper-paranoid and afraid
>Set up camp?
>Sure let's dump our shit, lower our guns, and just chill.
The didn't act at all like they were in scary ass enemy territory

Terrible movie.
First half was so fucking bland.
Second half was OK but you can't ignore that 90% of the movie was shit.
Really bad character development too.

The ending shots feel pretty similar, but overall the tone is horror rather than philosophy.

Actually frightening, haven't felt that way in the cinema for some years.

>No one can do that in a hazmat suit.
hahaha

what was the point of her fucking the black guy?

It was a solid 6.5 out of 10. I agree with about the second half being much better.

>That bear scene tho

Now this was god-tier, also maybe that scene at the end with Portman staring into the technicolored vortex

Felt like a combo of The Arrival, Final Fantasy the Spirits Within, and Edge of Tomorrow, organised like 2001 A Space Odyssey

Bear scene was undercut by the dialogue that happened after
>UUHH HER MIND MUST HAVE BEEN TRAPPED IN DA BEAR

No, never explain this shit, don't do it you faggot. We already know that Area X is assimilating shit. That's enough. Don't spell it out

That was the first camp, which none of them remembered setting up. The second camp they set up a guard.

current year

5/10 film

and that's only because of the bear

The point of the movie was that the alien entity or whatever didn't have the concept of beginning and end. It was infinite. A loop. Like a mirror looking back at itself. See the Oroboros tatoo that clone-Lena has.

The BLACKED bit was about how all Earth life is about beginning and end. Self-destruction as Ventress puts it. Everything self-destructs. That's how Earth do.
But the alien does not.
The affair was a long and unnecessary bit about how everything on Earth self-destructs, cells, peoples, relationships

She was having an affair, she knew it was wrong, he knew it was wrong but they kept doing it anyway. Self-destructive acts was the backbone of the narrative, and her affair was killing her inside.

Or is it because he was black that you have a problem with it?

It was all the camps.
When they get to the army base, the milf says "We sleep here" And they all drop their bags and guns. They should have went around and cleared the entire building and complex before even considering sleeping.
And they did it again in the town.
They get into on house and were like "Yeah, we're inside that's good enough" Fucking CLEAR the house.
What if there's a rape wolf in the bathroom?
Shit, they also just saw a tape about how the last team cut each other apart. What if one of them lived and was in the house?

What was the reason for the all women team, just because the other teams had been men?

>Or is it because he was black that you have a problem with it?
Everyone who is not a cuck has a problem with it.

It was taken from the book, where it was like the 100th expedition into Area X. Every expedition has a different variable to see if someone comes back.
The movie had it be like the 2nd expedition to the control sample shit didn't translate.
I think we're supposed to think it's a coincidence in the movie

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. GOAT first and third acts, lesser second act.

>The worst part was how blase they were about everything

Until the first weird thing happened and Michelle Rodriguez was all

>no no! trick of the light! trick of the light! there is a rational explanation

Bitch where do you think you are?

>Or is it because he was black that you have a problem with it?

Why do people like you have to make everything about racism?
It served no purpose.

What was up with the tattoo? Natalie didn't have it at the start of the expedition. I thought it might have been an editing/continuity error.

>clone-Lena has.

Why do you think she was a clone

Dude, how'd you miss that?
The NettaLee at the end was not the girl who went in. It was a clone like fake bad accent Oscar
It was the copy that got out, not the human

That's why at the end she goes to Oscar and is like "You're not him" and he's like "You're not you"

What a crock of shit.

legit trash

>The movie had it be like the 2nd expedition to the control sample shit didn't translate.
>I think we're supposed to think it's a coincidence in the movie

No. They've been sending in all male military expeditions for three years. It's not the second one.

They beat you over the head with the tattoo.
The blown up soldier with the eel guts was the one with the tattoo. The real Lena didn't have a tattoo on her arm.
The copy did. Because it was made of all the parts of the humans that got assimilated or whatever.

The Lena that got out was like the Kane that got out. A copy.

Hershlag's alien burned in the lighthouse, she got out.

Nah, it was another copy.
Oscar's eyes go all glowy and we know for sure that he's a clone. And then Hershlag's eyes do the exact same.
The ending is quite clear that no human left Area X

She's the first one out that isn't a clone though - she's the first one out that is beginning to change and possibly adapt.

The tattoo was first seen on Lena during the interrogation. Then on the corpse of the dude Kane cut open. Then on Michelle Rodriguez.

All the humans DNA or cells or whatever were combining with one another. Just like the plants and animals.

We watched the mirror die, though.

I'm not sure about the unreliable narrator trope here because the movie made it clear that the greater phenomenon of the shimmer ended with that white phosphorous grenade.

The movie also made it clear that the shimmer was changing them, but that doesn't necessarily confirm that Natalie at the end was the mirror and that the real one died. I thought the tattoo was the first notable side effect of that.

I thought so too, but we also see original, non-clone versions of characters becoming assimilated in their DNA. Now I think that it was in fact the original Natalie who got out, but with a few assimilations including the tattoo that had mixed in with her person

The staging makes it pretty clear the original set off the WP grenade and ran out, then the clone crawled back into the hole.

Her eyes glow at the end because she was already changed irrevocably by the journey.

But they're not familiar with what one another are. if they were both clones they would be. You have clone/alien (Issac) meeting new creature (Portman adapting/growing from the Shimmer) meeting one another and embracing as the old/new and alone now on Earth

I hadn't thought about it like that.
Don't they say in the movie that whatever comes out, it won't be the same that went in?
Derp, it's pretty obvious that way.
REAL Lena taught the copy how to die.
But then "REAL" Lena was already changed to something that made her not at all the same as the Lena that went in.

I guess I was too biased by the book

The deer had a clone that was mimicking it as well, but neither looked like normal deer anymore.

>I guess I was too biased by the book

But the book wasn't anything like the third act though if I remember correctly. Doesn't she just sail up the coast looking for Kane?

how did kane convince his clone to film him killing himself?

Yeah it's a lot different for sure

Yeah that's how the first book ends
But the second book begins with a fake clone Biologist back in the Southern Reach

desu the series is not that good. The first book is good in a "Whoah mystery" way, but the other two just drag on

He said yo nigga, grab the camera I'm finna dab on these fools

So why didn't they remember setting up camp?

So, the alien decided to kill itself? This had me thinking for a while, because it looked initially unfazed by the fire, but then it decided to spread it around the lighthouse and I wasn't sure if it was with intent or just some blank reaction. THEN it decided to huddle up as the fire consumed everything like it knew what it was doing and chose to burn to death.

Was this supposed to be a side-effect of merging with human consciousness? It also inherited the suicidal/self-destructive nature of man?

Real Kane was going insane, he probably that fake Kane was the sane version of himself that could survive and escape

Everything was refracted, even their memories

The bear scene was cool, but when they talked about how the bear wasn't just mimicking screams, but the people it killed actually had fragments of their consciousness trapped in it, stuck in agony.

That really baked my noodle

Then why did that only happen once? You'd think it would have been a common occurrence throughout their trip.

>So, the alien decided to kill itself?
Basically.
It was an unending being. It had no beginning or end. It just didn't understand death.
Earth life is all about self-destruction. Birth then death. Beginning and end.
When it touched dead Kane, it understood end. So it did that thing of which it just learned.

Natalie Portman's character was a liar. Her clone was a liar too. It lied about it being Natalie Portman being the one who made it out and not the alien.

Because of this, mate
Entry, then gap.
There are no gaps while it is within the medium

>make a shit movie based on good book
>book would have been a very serviceable movie
>add in key stuff and never explain like book did (time skips)

Bear scene was tense but movie was just awful and only getting praise bc normies are illiterate and cant think.

I never read book two and three.

Did Garland make up all of the third act or did he pull from books 2 and 3?

Why does everything need an answer? Especially if it involves something otherworldly?

Agreed, that kinda ruined it

what would have fixed the film?

The only part he took from the other two books was that the whole thing started from a meteor/comet.
He made everything else up.
In the book, the Biologist (named Lena in the movie, she doesn't have a name in the book), goes off searching in Area X for her husband.
Back in the real world, a clone comes back and is interrogated by the Southern Reach research facility.
The new director (the old one was the psychologist who went with the Biologist) is a crazy dude on his own right and then frees the clone Biologist and helps her make a new portal to Area X somewhere else.
They go inside and the find out that time is funky inside Area X. The Biologist, the real one, was alone in there for 30+ years.
She turns into a whale monster made of eyes and hate.

But Portman made it out not the clone. It was so obvious.

It was a changed Portman, changed by the Shimmering, and who knows what will happen with that.

Hopefully the Southern Reach CMU explains it

Makeup. Though Lena soes go back and is aliem enhanced

Was it a shared consciousness? Because I'm also thinking about Ventress' last moments, and whether or not she was a clone. I think she was, and her lack of eyes was supposed to hint she wasn't fully baked yet.

If so, the alien chose to birth itself again, and then it chose to die because of human influence.
If she was a copy, I don't think she consciously chose to lie, unless it was just that good at being human.

You'd go insane too if you were as good looking and as awesome as Covert OP's Oscar Issac and your Jew wife still fucked the black dick while you were off possibly dying.

Cut like 20 minutes
Have the beginning actually tense and not soap opera style. Have her in the Shimmer faster. Shit, start with Hersh going into the Shimmer and do some flashbacks.
Don't start with domestic bullshit.
Focus the flashbacks more. We see so much shit we don't need to.

Pretty much, this movie wanted to be Arrival but trippier. So make it MORE Arrival and less shit it actually was

I agree but does this mean it chose to die and experience death for the first time?

Or was it the lasting part of a species that had evolved past death and could travel the universe implementing itself onto planets and life

So would it cease to exist after imitating or experiencing death? Or still be immortal

The purpose of her fucking another guy was to develop the motivations of her husband. He went into the shimmer because he knew his marriage was failing. The clone of her husband came out of the shimmer and immediately went to Lena because all the husband ever wanted was to be back together with her. The clone assimilated the husbands desires and feelings and that’s why the clone was able to return from the shimmer.
Similarly, Lena’s desires were driven by the guilt that she felt by having an affair. She was able to destroy the alien creature because it had assimilated her thoughts of self hatred. That’s why everything the alien had been a part of and was created by the alien burned down in the end.
The clone husband didn’t burn with the alien, however, because of its strong desires to be reunited with Lena.
It’s reflected throughout the movie how the desires of the people inside the shimmer related and intertwined with the environment and organisms also inside the shimmer.

>normies

Disregarded.>She turns into a whale monster made of eyes and hate.

lmao

I think the clone of Lena did die. And Area X died.
But Kane was still alive. And through knowing death, it was able to save Kane-Clone and live through it.
And also through Lena who was changed (or might be a clone herself)

Either way, an alien mind learned how to be mortal

It was, in the interview he said she'd been gone months when she thought it had been weeks.

>But Portman made it out not the clone. It was so obvious.
You're seeing what the Alien describes in the movie. The Alien is a liar sometimes.

>I think the clone of Lena did die. And Area X died.
>But Kane was still alive. And through knowing death, it was able to save Kane-Clone and live through it.
>And also through Lena who was changed (or might be a clone herself)

Exactly this.

>You're seeing what the Alien describes in the movie. The Alien is a liar sometimes.


Movie was a bit better than the unreliable narrator excuse.

>Movie was a bit better
It really wasn't. It was entertaining and affecting, but you fucks trying to puzzle out this movie like it's sacred geometry is embarassing

I like Alex Garland, but I don't think he's bold enough to make an entire movie's narrative unreliable.
I think that Changed/Clone Lena told the story as it really did happen.

Also, nigger, what the fuck is the point of movies if you don't "puzzle" the fuck out of them?
I mean shit, I got nothing else to do. It's not like I'm doing this instead of bible study

They didn't remember setting up camp because they were all part of the shimmer from the moment they entered. The entire movie was about the shimmer viewing itself through playing the parts of the four women and absorbing/combining them within itself to understand how to be human. Through self-destruction it was reborn. A perfect loop, finalized by the shimmer meeting itself outside as "humans" to continue itself. Thus the infinity tattoo. The film ended where it began.

>but you fucks trying to puzzle out this movie like it's sacred geometry is embarassing

Sorry.

Also something no one has mentioned yet - "time" inside the Shimmer is very dreamlike.

in dreams one second you are here, one second you're there, the next you are this person and the next you are ten people but it all makes sense.

It's only when you're awake and try to rationalize it while no longer dreaming and in the shimmer does it not make sense.

God you people are a bunch of pedantic, contrarian faggots

You're right, why would the narrator be unreliable? They were just in a dreamlike world that completely warped reality and induced madness in everyone who entered it

That would explain how they were all disoriented similar to Kane in the prologue too.

They were copies all along.

>They were copies all along.

Nowhere is there evidence of that.

They were part of the shimmer. Not so much copies as part of its collective unconsciousness.

It learned to be human and thus self destructed and lived on as two humans outside of itself. Its a loop of constant change, its the entire point of the film.

The opening scene with Portman explaining about cells says it all.

>The opening scene with Portman explaining about cells says it all.
And it gets hammered in again with Ventress saying she has cancer. And then she becomes the host of the alien being.

The alien is like cancer. No end point. No self-destruction. It learned to self-destructed from humans.
We see it when it strokes Kane when it's all Willy Pete'd up

Dude you need to watch the movie again. You're too literal.

Howeso? The entire film was about the nature of humanity. The Shimmer is us and we are the shimmer.

>The Shimmer is us and we are the shimmer.
I disagree with that.
The Shimmer is the anti-us. It is eternal. It doesn't have life death or change. It is forever. It is oroboros.
Earth life is however full of change life death and all that jazz. And when it gets all fucked up with Earth, it fucks up all of Earth. What's mutation, says the permanent immutable being.
It doesn't have death. It doesn't have change. It doesn't have growth.
Lena taught it how to die. That's the climax. It saw Kane kill himself but did not understand.
Oh you're going to be a burnt crisp now. Cool. I've never been one before, but like cool taht you're doing it.
But when Lena got the copy to do it. It learned what they both wanted. (Real)Kane and (Real)Lena wanted death. For Kane, himself, and for Lena, for it.

Annihilation is like if Adam fell to Earth today with zero understanding how shit works.

I did a shitty review of it just for my own benefit but it's basically my thoughts on it.

youtu.be/B0zdTF_7tVo

I'm listening now and what triggered me was that you said it was "technically beautiful"
In the first 30 minutes, it was absolutely. Basic bitch cinematography. The meeting of realLena and fakeKane was undercut by how amateurish the camera work and editing was.

Gonna listen to the other 8 minutes.

I'm kind of just a sucker for even the slightest amount of effort in cinematography, to be honest. I came buckets in 2049 because it was the most effort I had seen put into that element of film making in a long time.

I went to the bathroom and missed the part where they watch security footage in the military base. What was it and was in any good?