So how would the eagles have gotten into the underground forge without the army encircling Mt...

So how would the eagles have gotten into the underground forge without the army encircling Mt. Doom noticing they were there?

>no one has any ideas apparently

So how is this a plothole then?

Technically, couldn't they have just dropped the ring into any volcano?

I mean, it's not like anyone was willing to dive into a volcano to retrieve it, and if the volcano erupted, or laid dormant and hardened, it would still never be found due to it being mixed in with hardened magma.

If God hadn't pushed Gollum off would anyone have been able to destroy the ring? I don't think it would be possible for any mortal to actually throw it in.

>Technically, couldn't they have just dropped the ring into any volcano?

No. Lava couldn't destroy the ring except in the forge where it was created, which is why the Fellowship couldn't simply drop it into the caldera of Mt. Doom.

They thought dragon fire might work too, but Gandalf accidentally killed the last one.

I didn't say destroy it, I meant make it irretrievable.

They could've saved thousands.

>I don't think it would be possible for any mortal to actually throw it in.

It's not, which is why Sauron didn't even consider the possibility that Gandalf would be desperate enough to try that. And not just mortals but Elves too, anyone who bore the ring would inevitably succumb to it, especially within the forge, the heart of Sauron's magical power where its influence was the most potent.

why not just put some lava in the termos and bring it to the ring

Sauron would still gather strength even if his ring was encased in a rock somewhere, eventually some watcher or balrog would find it.

What would have happened if Gandalf had 100% realized which ring it was while they fought Smaug?

Dragonfire could destroy rings of power, on account of its magical properties that made it more destructive than regular fire. That's how a couple of the Dwarven rings were lost. But Gandalf explicitly says that not even the fire of Ancalgon the Black could have destroyed Sauron's ring.

>make it irretrievable.

Destroying the ring was the only winning condition. Sauron was set to conquer Middle-earth whether he had the ring or not.

the ring would find a way. Dwarves or some shit would go tunneling there for whatever reason and Gimli's great great grandson would find it

He probably wouldn't have moved to destroy it though there'd be the best possibility of doing so then. Sauron hadn't reestablished himself in Mordor yet, which would make Mt. Doom easier to get to, but the situation then wasn't nearly so desperate either.

How intelligent was the ring? Was it a sentience of its own?

why not just put the ring on a dog(not on finger) and let the dog sniff some lava from mt.Doom?
Dog would surely bring the ring in the vulcano

It had its own sort of sentience, yes. It wasn't sapient so one couldn't really call it "intelligent" though. Its ability to act autonomously seemed to have been limited to changing its dimensions.

Dragonfire wouldn't have harmed the ring. Gandalf specifically states that even Ancalagon the Black couldn't have destroyed it.

Why not just convince Sauron not to be evil?

Because he didn't think he was evil.

>Sauron was of course not 'evil' in origin. He was a 'spirit' corrupted by the Prime Dark Lord (the Prime sub-creative rebel) Morgoth. He was given an opportunity of repentance, when Morgoth was overcome, but could not face the humiliation of recantation, and suing for pardon; and so his temporary turn to good and 'benevolence' ended in a greater relapse, until he became the main representative of Evil of later ages. But at the beginning of the Second Age he was still beautiful to look at, or could still assume a beautiful visible shape - and was not indeed wholly evil, not unless all 'reformers' who want to hurry up with 'reconstruction' and 'reorganization' are wholly evil, even before pride and lust to exert their will eat them up.
>In my story I do not deal in Absolute Evil. I do not think there is such a thing, since that is Zero. I do not think that at any rate any 'rational being' is wholly evil. Satan fell. In my myth Morgoth fell before Creation of the physical world. In my story Sauron represents as near an approach to the wholly evil will as is possible. He had gone the way of all tyrants: beginning well, at least on the level that while desiring to order all things according to his own wisdom he still at first considered the (economic) well-being of other inhabitants of the Earth. But he went further than human tyrants in pride and the lust for domination.

Sauron never wanted to destroy the world. He wanted to reform, reconstruct, and reorganize it. He was considering what would be best for the inhabitants of Arda. He wanted to make his perfect clockwork universe.

They missed that boat, after Melkor fell, Sauron was truly repentant, but was too afraid of punishment that he hid in middle earth, and while he did so, he grew bitter at the damage the gods had wrought and how they abandoned middle earth so his autism took over again. Sauron just wants everything to be perfectly efficient, and for that to be all those pesky idiots need to be slaves to his force of will.

The Ring had a parcel of Saurons's will and might
it was merely an extension of his power, but a small portion compared to his ability to manifest physically and infiltrate minds half a world away.
it still had a fraction of Sauron's cunning and desire, hence it's ability to be found and enslave minds

To be fair to Sauron the gods did fuck everything up. They always had. It wasn't until dealing with Sauron that they'd finally learned their lesson and did not personally involve themselves.

Sauron however was as misguided as the Valar were in thinking that he deserved or was obligated to control beings lesser than himself. God never wanted the gods to rule the world but to nurture it.

>be Feanor, firstborn of Finwe, King of all Noldor
>such a bad motherfucker that mommy commits suicide because she knows she will never have a more perfect child
>daddy remarries, has two more sons, Fingolfin and Finarfin (hereafter referred to as Fingolcuck and Finarcuck)
>Feanor is immensely talented, gets a qt waifu, becomes a smith, creates an alphabet
>greatest creation is the Silmarils, three magically created jewels that perfectly captured the light of Telperion and Laurelin, the two trees that light the entire world
>at this time Melkor is in Valinor because the Valar are fucking retards and believed the shit about him repenting
>Melkor starts planting ideas in Feanor's head that Fingolcuck is a faggot and going to try to usurp his position as Finwe's heir
>Feanor agrees, but decides that Melkor is a faggot too
>one day Melkor meets an eldritch abomination spawned from the void outside creation called Ungoliant
>Melkor convinces her to help him destroy the trees, she agrees because she's a fat cunt that exists only to eat shit
>they do just that
>the Valar determine that the only thing that can restore the trees is the light of the Silmarils, and ask Feanor for them
>he tells them to suck his cock
>at this time, they receive word that Melkor and Ungoliant raided Feanor's place, killed Finwe and made off with the Silmarils
>Feanor 200% mad
>he and his sons swear an oath to fight any nigger that gets their grubby mitts on his Silmarils
>takes his host and goes to the Teleri boat niggers (elves), demands all of their boats
>they tell him to fuck off
>he murders them
>Fingolcuck and Finarcuck are trying to pretend that they're important too and join onii-chan in the kinslaying
>after this Finarcuck realizes that he's not actually important and goes back to Valinor
>there aren't enough boats to carry everyone, so the host of the Noldor marches north to a big ass ice sheet that separates Valinor from Middle Earth
to be continued

>Feanor is the eldest, so he goes first, using the Teleri boats to ferry his host to Beleriand
>once the entirety of his host is across, he burns the ships
>Fingolcuck is forced to march his people across the ice (lmao what a faggot), lots of them die (they get super butthurt about this)
>Feanor and his host arrive in Middle-earth, get ambushed by Melkor's armies as they're setting up a camp
>they win, but Feanor is 300% mad, goes straight for Thangorodrim
>outpaces his entire army, winds up surrounded by Balrogs, including Gothmog, the King of the Balrogs
>holds his own until his sons finally arrive and drive the Balrogs away, however Feanor is mortally wounded
>was so fucking mad when he died that his body burned to ash, something that never happened before and would never happen again
That's the story of Feanor, who did nothing wrong.

It could only be destroyed where it was created. Like the universe.

Why are LOTR threads so much better than other threads in here, even though they are like 50% shitposting?

Really makes you think...

What if they put the ring into a volcano and it drifts into the lava of mount doom eventually because like the ocean, all lava veins are connects to each other

Because Tolkien is best and his critics like Morecock and GRRM are just butthurt that their stories will never have the richness and complexity of Tolkien's because they lack his imagination.

I'm going to have to agree with this.

Tolkien was able to tell a story that was great just because there was so much to imagine. It all painted a picture in your imagination.

Gurm, on the other hand, has to rely on sex, betrayal and murder to make his books interesting.