Did the Holocaust really happen?

Did the Holocaust really happen?

did WW2 really happen?

or was it a global coverup for the last alien invasion?

Does it matter?

It doesn't matter. Not an argument against fascism.

Any evidence?

A tip: Documents written by the winners, historical texts written several years after the war, or affirmations made by the enemies of Germany are not a valid source.

I am not going to believe something just because the allies and the soviets said so. I am not that dumb.

Of course not. They had internment camps with Jews and the Allies managed to starve them by destroying supplies getting to the camps. The Germans never had a systematic way to kill (((them))) notes

>anything execept hitler rising from his grave and telling my in person, or someone showing it to me with a time machine is forged evidence anyway :^)

wew lad

Yes, but there was good reason.
I, personally, would have deported them to Israel however.
No one has to suffer.

THESE ARE CTR SLIDE THREADS

He did deport them under the Haavara Agreement.

They really force fuck that pill down your throat don't they?

My grand fathers brother was murdered by the nazis, because he fell down some stairs and they thought its a liability to treat him, while my grandpa was fighting for them on the front.

>BUT NO i fogot the nazis were the good guys :DDDD because le eveil jew maymay faked all the history and they are behind everything topkeklmaooo

Just shut the fuck up you have no idea what you are talking about

You said it as a joke but that is the problem. We have no way nowadays to know the truth, because one of the sides was pushed into silence so we can no longer listen to both versions.

Judges, jury and executioners are all the same. How can we get any truth out of that? It's an insult to intelligence.

did the Nazi party round up Jews? yes
where they put in camps? yes
did many of them die because they were mistreated? yes
was there a systematic plan to eradicate them? documentation is scarce
was 6 mil Jews wiped out? physical evidence (gas chambers, crematoriums, ash layer in soil, etc) is lacking. also, that's something like 1 Jew every second for two years. that's a lot of killing with no witnesses

tl;dr in all likely hood may Jews died during WWII, but not to the extent of claimed numbers or in such methods as popularized

I tend to believe this too. It's the only thing a rational person would believe, because there is no real evidence of something else.

>My grand fathers brother was murdered by the nazis
>Therefore six trillion jews were systematically killed by the nazis

no

nope

I doubt 6 million jews died.

This persecution, mistreatment, and a lot of pointless death? Definitely.

Systematic genocide? Maybe.

Systematic genocide on the scale claimed in modern history books? Absolutely not.

Can you prove ANY historical event really happened?

Like the Boston Tea Party. Can you prove it happened? You could probably make a good argument for why it DIDN'T happen.

Nazis burned a shit ton of documents and were notoriously shitty with the documents they did keep.
Nuremburg trials were biased and used torture
No accurate census of the ammount of jews in the occupied areas
State of israel benefits from the holocaust and reparations creating a conflict of interest

no solid evidence of "muh six billion jews" or "da joos made it all up"

A bunch of Jews died, but the exact manners in which they died and number of deaths remain unclear.

Is Hitler the most misunderstood person in history?

>tried to save the world
>70 years later people think you are the most evil man in history

Seems like your 'personal' tragedy has given you a dog in this fight.

Never said the jews were behind all evils in the world, just said that you shouldn't accept the first narrative as the only narrative.

People were forced to go to camps and a lot of them died there. There wasn't enough to eat and disease was rampant. It's just that what they tell you in school is bullshit. They never told us that americans send japanese-americans to concentration camps.

They keep saying Hitler was the biggest warcriminal out there even though he wasn't even the biggest at the time. Stalin had quite a lead on him, like most marxist dictators.

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No. There weren't anywhere close to 6 million Jews in Europe. All BS so that they could get Israel and be that eternal victims even though they run the world. Allies killed the Jews when they bombed the supply roots to the camp.

Yup

>70 years later people realised that you tried to save world

Fix'd that for you

the holocaust was actually done by Jews on the Germans, the Nazis were zionist jews, when they lost the war they bribed survivors to lie
spread the word, wake up sheeple

Yeah, death toll was probably more in the 2 million to 3 million range though and that includes a lot of political dissidents, eastern Europeans, gypsies, gays and retards in addition to the Jews.

The idea that the Germans were using shitloads of fuel to incinerate bodies at the end of the war when they didn't have enough to keep their planes and tanks running is pretty ridiculous.

The Jews want the total to be really high like the 6 million number to ensure that everybody thinks of the Holocaust as being special and definitively the worst genocide in history. If the total was more in the 2 to 3 million range then there would be comparisons to Cambodians, Armenians, Rwandans and the like and they want to be special snowflakes.

OP didn't come back,
CTR loves bringing up hitler
sage in the option box, all by itself, will prevent the thread from being bumped so if you must fall for an obvious ctr thread, at least do something smart and keep it from being bumped.

Nah I'm still here. Just enjoying the replies.

Doesnt even matter if it did. What matters is that every single person should be aware of the fact that the numbers are inflated as hell. The left will usually tell you that the numbers dont matter, but they are fooling themselves if they seriously believe that. The Holocausts only selling point ARE the numbers.

Systematical eradication happens constantly. Throwing a bunch of people into a gas chamber and pulling the lever at least leaves the victims with some dignity. If I rob and plunder a village, rape every girl I can find and slit their throats infront of their husbands then that a) sure as hell is a worse way to die and b) is also systematical eradication. I didnt kill them because they are black, white, Jewish or Muslim, but because they happened to live in that village I just gutted. Same with the US bombing cities in the middle east. How the fuck is that not systematical?

People have systematically killed each other for millennia. French hunted gypsies, Soviets killed whatever, Americans gutted the natives and plenty of countries they invades for oil. The list goes on. The Holocaust only has its numbers, nothing else. And the problem with the numbers is that there inflated as hell, see Majdanek for example.

Yes. One of my grandfathers helped liberate one of the concentration camps in France. My dad still has some of his photos.

An old man's word and a bunch of black and white photos.

He tried to...google the Haavara agreement.

It happened so hard that it fucked up 6 million jews all the way back to the 1800s apparently

You should double check your math.

60 sec/min * 60 min/hr * 24 hr/day * 365 day/year * 2 years * = 63,072,000

No, but the day of the rope will.

I thank the jews for giving us an idea to work with.

Yes, LoLocaust was real in my mind

This really fucks me up. I've never seen anyone able to say anything against this.

The camps themselves existed, exactly why is mostly a toss up, every source is conflicted in regards to that.

But nobody has an explanation for this.