Fascism = Communism meme

Why do Libertardians claim that Fascism was identical to communism -- just because they were both "statist"? In their little minds, are these words synonyms for "statist"? So, by Libertard standards, even the Liberal Democratic capitalists who FOUGHT Fascism and Communism were also "commie fascists"? Are you morons too stupid to actually read books or something?

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do not try to reason with people that believe we should give more power to soros.

Yes, most libertarians have never read Mein Kampf or Das Kapital, or The Protocols. Hell most Commies probably haven't read them either, if they did they would likely no longer think Gommunism is a good thing.

> why does nobody read my fanfiction
> waah why do people hate socialism
Are you lonely user?

One gives the state power in the name of nationalism and the other in the name of helping the poor. They both lead to the same result which is the state ruling everybody and everything

Stalin=Evil incarnate
Hitler=Heroic leader and defender of all that is good

Communism in Soviet Union was actually Fascism masked in red drapes of Communism. Stalin was a Fascist.

Stalin was the only good Communist in that regard.

But the pure communism was never tried in any country. So you can't actually say that Stalin was a communist.

Pure Communism is bullshit that should never be tried.

I have never even heard of this meme you absolute waste of space.

>Hell most Commies probably haven't read them either
The only proof you need is 30 minutes on /r/communism or ##marxism on freenode

>Claims Stalin was a fascist
>NKVD was 80% Jews under Stalin
not sure what kind of fascism has that many Jews running around freely...

Stalin hated jews m8. He purged as many as he could from the party.


>"International Zionism shall by all means attempt to destroy our union, so that Russia could never rise again. The strength of the USSR lies in the friendship of the peoples. The sharp edge of the struggles will be directed, first of all, towards the destruction of this friendship, to the severance of the periphery from Russia. On this count it has to be acknowledged that we have yet not done much. Here is yet a large field of work." - Stalin 1939

The NAP passes the Kant test (it can be applied as a universal maxim without society collapsing) but fails the reality test (no society can be founded on the NAP because actual people capable of implementing it cannot be gathered together in one society by people implementing it). Their failure to see that divine command theory and virtue ethics are the only tenable moral positions leads them to overlook the existence of the state as being a matter of semantic and natural necessity.

>He purged as many as he could from the party.
When they tried to murder him and not before then.

>Stalin hated jews m8
No he didn't. Stalin was true believer in marxist values, and thus, he was an anti-racist.
>He purged as many as he could from the party
If you're referring to the Doctor's Plot, the Jews he purged were all zionists or people he suspected of being political enemies. They weren't purged because they were jews, what a joke. If he wanted to purge jews for being jews, he had millions of opportunities as supreme leader, and instead chose to promote tens of thousands of them to leadership roles throughout WW2, in multiple countries. Total bullshit calling Stalin an "anti-semite".

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Enforcing """communism""" requires facism

National socialism and """communism""" are both forms of socialism that vary only in stated goals and types of propaganda. The result is the same.

Acting like being nationalist when you speak fundamentally alters how your government is run is as retarded as believing a politician when he speaks

Pure communism is fundamentally not possible, even temporarily.

The only places communism can work is in a family or extremely small group of savages. And possibly some point in the future where we're forced into it because governments don't have to worry about production or competition

That second claim can be applied to any ideology. Corruption and 99% of people being retarded renders every government to merely being whatever helps them obtain more power and grow the state

It's meaningless to assert this as a criticism

>God's commands come from this book
>who says the book is God's word?
>god
>how do you know that?
>because it says so in the book
A godfag has no right to quote kant or criticize other ideologies for the logical shortcomings

>Enforcing """communism""" requires facism
you do realize that was a gibberish nonsense statement? The two ideologies are based on contradictory fundamentals. Also, you're begging the question -- I asked if idiots just think "communism" and "fascism" are synonyms for "statism" or "totalitarianism". You're an example of being this kind of dumb.
>National socialism and """communism""" are both forms of socialism
And Natsoc wasn't technically fascism, so what's your fucking point you illiterate fuck?

>implying Jews are a race
They are way too mixed to be a race. They are a religious and cultural identity, of which Zionism is the most cancerous aspect. The moment a Jew stops being culturally AND religiously Jewish he is about as Jewish as you or I.

>Jews behind Stalin
>Leo Trotsky
Are you fucking serious?

Its similar but completely different.
Fascism is a mobilization of the nation, where all classes come together to fulfill the unified national goals. Communism is the stripping down of all classes and rearranging them in either the government class or the ones who work for the government class. Communists achieve global prosperity by redistribution, fascists by unification and camaraderie among every citizen. Mussolini thought of himself as "Lenin reworked", erasing the flaws from communism and transforming it in something people can support willfully.

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>jews aren't a race
They most definitely are.

>implying Trotsky wasn't a jew
Are you feeling ok, user?

You don't understand my position
>the two ideologies are based on contradictory fundamentals
>based on
Great, the way they operate is the same.
>you're begging the question
I answered your question with why I think they're the same as a libertarian, yoh fucking idiot.
You're a naive fool in thinking stated goals and execution cannot possibly diverge. As if when Barack Obama says he's pro free market he's not just being a lying asshole.

>wasn't technically fascism
That's because it wasn't around long enough. Judging an ideology on less than 50 years and ignoring any long term effects is being willfully blind. It's easy for anybody who doesn't subscribe to a retard form of government bourne out of desperation that it's eventual collapse would have to reconcile with diverging politics and resort to totalitarian fascism.

When state absolutism is written into the ideology, it's fundamentally fucking retarded to say, "well nobody dissented yet, so it wasn't fascism"

Trotsky was Stalins greatest enemy m8. Are you fucking retarded? How was he a Jew behind Stalin?

>They most definitely are.
>Shephardi Jews are Arabs

What is this supposed to prove?

>Great, the way they operate is the same.
Why, because they're both "statist"? Is that the only distinction you comprehend? That's what I'm asking you libertardians.
>that's because it wasn't around long enough
You don't have the slightest clue what you're even talking about, do you?

I haven't mentioned the word statist.

The point in saying flatly they operate the same is that you insist what they say they do or are going to do is what they actually do, because you faithfully believe it.

>you don't know what you're talking about
Well, such a deep rebuttal can only mean I've been btfo

Jews are a race m8, factual statement.
Assuming it's not a race, most converted Jews marry into ancestral Jewish blood. The child would than have Jewish blood from the sand people.
Making him racially a Jew, even if he does not practice.

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>Trotsky was Stalins greatest enemy m8
After being his greatest ally, friendo. He was instrumental in Stalin coming to power. Many people who supported Stalin wound up in a gulag or dead for their loyalty.
>Semites are a distinct subspecies
A race is a subspecies m8y
>I haven't mentioned the word statist.
you haven't been specific about anything at all. "They work the same" is vague -- how so? They're oth authoritarian? Both statist? Both wear snappy clothes? Articulate your argument pls.

To add to this, communism is revolutionary where fascism is reactionary (revolutionary towards democracy and reactionary towards communism). Communists sought the conflict between the working class and the "oppressing" class, while fascists wanted an unification of all classes working together against both democracy and communism for the common national good.

>chose to promote tens of thousands of them to leadership roles throughout WW2, in multiple countries.
Hitler did this too.

From the libertarian position they both control industry, they both control behavior, they both become totalitarian, they're both nationalistic (but absolutely so), and as a result of fucking up their own country, they must necessarily become imperialist or face collapse (which resource acquisition merely delays the collapse).

And they both fail as a result, communism faster because it has no market prices from which to judge value, whereas socialism keeps a vestigial market that doubles as a scapegoat to blame everything on.

>Hitler promoted tens of thousands of jews to leadership positions
Try tens, of half and quarter Jews. The Nuremberg laws made is very hard for Jews to hold power of any kind.

>they're both nationalistic
Communists are internationalists, and look on nationalism as reactionary and backward. Just like they see religion as "the opiate of the masses"; it was on the list of commie no-no's.
>they must necessarily become imperialist or face collapse
This is another popular libertarian canard. What about wither system necessitated expansion? The German economy made a miraculous recovery before the war, and was slowly obliterated by having new territories to manage, most of which were still "second world" in terms of development. Natsocs were capitalist, and capitalist economies tend to suffer from new acquisitions in war -- though the soviets profited, because communists cannibalize wealth.

Are you beginning to notice how the difference actually matter in explaining how things went?