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How come no one's talking about this? Is it any good? Also, did Koresh actually do anything wrong?

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Haven't seen it yet, but I'm somewhat familiar with the incident. He was a wack job and polygamist, allegations of child molestation but never proven. Even if we accept the government story about saving the children, it's completely obliterated by them, you know, fucking gassing and burning over 20 children. It's more likely that the ATF was looking for reasons to justify their own existence as an agency. The rise of militias in the 90's helped them in this. The entire Ruby Ridge disaster started with them entrapping a right-wing innawoods guy.

WACO: Rules of Engagement

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Afterpozz, an "after-show" kind of review series

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The Paranormies on Ruby Ridge and Waco:

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Koresh was not a hermit. He went out and about in town to the store, to work out, and so on. Easily could have been arrested any of those times. What happened was flat out mass murder.

I should add that the Bundy Ranch incident a few years ago almost turned out similarly.

>How come no one's talking about this?
This is a capeshit/pedo board bro
>Is it any good?
Top kino, I'm Eurorich so I've never heard about this incident. Now I understand people wanting guns, fuck the FBI/ATF/BRAAAP or whatever murderous agency you have over there
>Also, did Koresh actually do anything wrong?
Plenty, nothing as bad as gassing a bunch of children or burning them alive though

youtube.com/watch?v=CmaFSreD1kw

Well in all fairness, they had to search the compound for illegal weapons or some shit, no?

so why not just take a few agents, drive right up, knock on the door and attempt to execute the search warrent? why go in with 50 heavily armed agents breaking in windows in a big "raid"? it's because the ATF is a holdover from prohibition which does things that could be handled by local law enforcement and thus has to justify it's existence by staging these big photo op attacks on "cults" etc

I mean...just for arguments sake, safety first no? If you got a tip off about some cartel hideout, you're probably not gonna show up and just knock and ask politely, cause you never know what to expect.

yes. yes.

Koresh most likely started the fire himself. you can blame the ATF for starting this disaster but it was Koresh who forced this end.
also his followers were straight up retards and nothing of value was lost that day.

>so why not just take a few agents, drive right up, knock on the door and attempt to execute the search warrent?
This is exactly how it's done and I mean it's done as in they do it like this every day. They wanted a carnage

most people that get raided don't live a compound with an arsenal

>Koresh most likely started the fire himself.
In the tv show they said there were about 12 precedents of fucked up FBI raids ending up in fires, that's sounds fishy right?

>Koresh most likely started the fire himself.

it's possible, but the facts are that none of the survivors said that's what happened and the FBI did lie about using flammable tear gas cannisters.

>but the facts are that none of the survivors said that's what happened

of course they are going to say that, they're loonies that were in his cuck cult

>nothing of value was lost that day
implying you hold any value in the eyes of your government

Well then do you trust the DoJ sponsored investigation as to the cause of the fire or can you toss out their findings on the same grounds? Besides, the survivors are no longer members of the cult, no?

nope. not trusting the DoJ doesn't make the crazy cult members in the right though.

I dunno. I'm just playing devil's advocate. My knowledge on the subject is rudimentary at best. From the sounds of it though, our government didn't handle the matter the best way possible.

Sure...a literal military operation, with Delta Force there as """advisors""" is not necessary to deliver a warrant. The ATF are the real, physical version of the gorilla warfare copypasta. They're glorified IRS agents, and they needed to justify their existence. They were close to being disbanded before that.

Burner rounds and flashbangs were used. Both are flammable of course. CS gas cans are as well.

cnn.com/US/9908/24/fbi.waco/

The ATF shot first. The door that the Davidians said they were shooting though was destroyed.

Everyone, check out what's posted here and check it all out yourselves.

>The ATF shot first.

this seriously doesn't matter. if the davidians shot first they would have been in the same situation regardless... they immediately got in a firefight so it's not like the davidians were sitting around with their thumbs up their ass, they armed themselves...

>muh "they armed themselves"

As was their right. "B-b-but they had full autos..." which were legal at the time with the tax stamp and paperwork. The Sheriff had checked them out earlier regarding that and said they were legit.

>How come no one's talking about this?
we had very long threads about it while it aired.

>Well in all fairness, they had to search the compound for illegal weapons or some shit, no?
yeah, that's why you roll up with a whole army against a compound full of women and children who didn't make any trouble in 60 years.

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>Koresh most likely started the fire himself.
no. cs gas became dry, covered the whole building. the tanks ripped big holes in it to maximise the air flow. several people (with guns) were filmed exiting the building and calmly walking away. a drone recorded infrared images of gunfire towards the compound.

>most people that get raided don't live a compound with an arsenal
that would even be more a reason to NOT storm the compound with an "shoot first, ask later"-attitude, no?

>MUH RIGHTS

atf had evidence from a former member that they had m16 lower receivers and were converting guns illegally, giving them the legal ability to conduct a raid. how does the big dick of the government taste cuckboi?

why would the davidians get into an firefight with the feds? koresh tried to deescalate, but they had their battle plan and failed miserably. davidians had every right to defend themselves.

stop assuming. no one knows what happened that started the firefight. no one knows who shot first. it's all he said she said bullshit

>atf had evidence
a tip off is no evidence you retard.

go cry about it, that's all they need.

>How come no one's talking about this?
We have daily threads. They usually devolve into all out shitpost fests due to Sup Forums bootlickers

>ATF had a battle plan to storm the compound. the agents climbing on the roof had to enter the building within 33 seconds after arriving
>"dog team" kills the dogs with guns, shooting first
>the video tape showed ATF agents shooting at the compound but not a single bullet towards them
>three of the four killed agents were killed inside a room a helicopter shot at and the only known video tape is heavily edited
it was a clusterfuck.

How far gone to you have to be to actually defend the atf in this- or any situation lmao

at the time full-auto conversion was legal as long as you had a $25 permit.

Hence the radio-dude's gag about being sure to pay your parking tickets.

because it makes gun nuts absolutely butt mad and getting gun nuts mad is hilarious

i don't defend them, i'm just clarifying that a tip from an former member is no "evidence".

and they didn't pay it, so what's your point

you don't desert storm a compound full of women and children over a $25 permit.

How much soylent have you ingested today

>ATF admitted they were for the ceasefire because they were running low on ammo

This is the best.

a compound full of women and children with a giant arsenal of guns

are you posting from your underground silo bunker, dudley?

They had been paying it though, according to the sherrif. The most that could've happened is the permit lapsed due to an oversight.

I know this gets posted in every thread, but I really liked how the real Thibs and the real Gary each got cameos in the finale

And the local sheriff's office had done just that. Also Koresh had offered for the ATF to come and check out their guns and paperwork. The ATF declined

>Koresh most likely started the fire himself
Source?

>several people (with guns) were filmed exiting the building and calmly walking away
And is any of this footage available?

>hi officer, i didn't pay to renew my license, you'll let me go right? i dindonuffin

Are you trolling or do you legit wanna fuckin die? I swear to god at least half of Americans are just begging for the fuckin gulag. Some supposedly unpaid tax stamps (even though I told you the Sheriff said they were fine) is not a legit pretext for a military raid and mass murder.

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>a compound full of women and children with a giant arsenal of guns
yeah, so giant that nothing blew up while it burned down and so dangerous that FBI agents walked within the ruins while it was still smoking.

>Waco
more like
>Wacko
because they are looney tunes

This gubbermint worship shit doesn't seem like Sup Forums, granted I haven't been there in months.

why would anything blow up lmao wtf

Something about all the coddling the west has done over the years has created people with a very hard predisposition to licking boot.

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That's not gubment worship probably read it before commenting on it?

always with the ruby ridge. if he showed up for his court date none of it would have happened, every single thing that happened was his fault

fire + ammunition = discharging ammunition

>And is any of this footage available?
about minute 27.

>miss court date
>FBI shoots your wife and son
>file taxes wrong
>IRS does a no-knock raid and shoots your dog
>don't trust the petrodollar
>terrorists funded by the american government start a civil war in your country
Dog bless am*rica

civilized people show up for court dates and file their taxes

forgot the link youtube.com/watch?v=PQ1b-PHdFZU

That can be simplified to simply

>be american
>get shot

We were raised to believe that the state was the ultimate authority, the only protector. People dont realize that the "state" is just other people, people fueled by compeltely personal reasons and motives.

If things ever go the way of Russia in the 1910s, the biggest group we'd have to contend with are group-think, collectivist, mob-mentality liberals.

This but unironically

>liberals
>implying the right isn't just as group-thinky

group-think is almost a default of human minds.

because gun nuts aren't collectivist with a mob mentality LMAO

Not an argument. Make excuses for the mass slaughter of U.S citizens by the State, I'll make sure you end up in such an abattoir yourself.

Yes, but, at least they are able to defend themselves.

Implying unarmed group-thinkers would be a barrier is pretty silly.

Hard totalitarianism isn't going to happen again. It simply creates in people the desire to fight back, then is toppled, and something else replaces it.

Brave new world is closer to the future we're going to get (read: are living in right now).

no, it's not an argument, it's a fact. they didn't pay for the permit, look at them now, too bad lmao

>defend themselves
the people at waco were able to defend themselves too, oh wait no they couldnt LOL

Whats your endgame with posts like these?

They gave him a date in March, the date in their records was February.

Keep on lickin, boy.

nope, get your fact straight. his court date was in feb and they changed it to march

The post referred to "Sup Forums bootlickers". Last I knew, not many on Sup Forums were the boot licking types.

>watch Waco
>The Pest shows up
What did they mean by this?

>the people at waco were able to defend themselves too, oh wait no they couldnt LOL
The ATF got their asses handed to them. If they didn't negotiate a cease fire the Davidians could easily have killed more than four ATF agents

desu Weaver didn't even show up for his court date on february. He obviously had no intent to show up.

>be american
>get continuance
>get shot

They worship this zionist fuck and constantly defend the police shooting innocent people

>The ATF got their asses handed to them

a fire kicked the davidians ass lmao

no it's more like
>be american
>have no intention of showing up for court, but retards keep repeating that they changed his date despite the fact he never showed up for his first court date in the first place
>get shot

So what you're saying is
>be american
>get shot

nope
>be american
>break the law
>get shot

So capital punishment is to be expect for every infraction.

>and that's a good thing!

nah, some should be let go, specifically the black people, they never do nuffin

So what is your endgame here?

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So validation via imagined response. Gotcha.

I've been reading the Waco threads that haven't fallen out off the archive here yet. He's been posting in every Waco thread. Stop replying, my dude.

0/10 you're just butthurt

The final episode was kino.
>Gary flipping out on his boss
>That look David Koresh and Thibs exchanged before Thibs jumped out of the window (that was very anticlimatically on the first floor)
>the HRT guy realizing that he went too far and killed the kids instead of saving them

>HRT guy realizing that he went too far

That was total bullshit though.

Yeah, tacked on to humanize them. Feds aren't people.

Not even Gary the FBI agent?

Didn't say that, but the feds did rationalize their failure on the davidians not just doing what they said.

around 90% of that character was hindsight from the real guy, who was involved with the writing.

yeah, in reality they
>had a tank stand for 2h on top of the bunker exit, smashing the part of the building building with the entrance to it inside the moment smoke came out of it
>shot at people who tried to escape from the dining room area
>blocked firefighters over a bullshit excuse from entering the area for hours
LAND OF THE FREE

lies lies and more lies. explain how and why there are survivors if it was their intention on killing all of them.

Not him, but most of the survivors got out tens of days before the fire. Also executing people after they had gotten out would be too hard to cover up even for the FBI

>we need someone to play a totally unapologetic piece of shit quite possibly completely lacking in any and all self-awareness

and yet there are survivors who ran out of the fire and survived...