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He never said this in the book. Jackson made him into an incompetent bad guy because he's a hack.

What did he say in the book then?

FILE FOR YOUR LIVES.

He's in the movie for like 10 minutes anyway so who really cares

snatch and run y'all

In the books Denethor is actually a pretty capable, competent administrator at the beginning. He's the one who lights the beacons, not Gandalf. It's just that he's secretly using one of the palantiri that was found in Minas Tirith. He's using it to try and peer across Middle-Earth, but Sauron has one of the other palantiri, and through the link between them Sauron is able to fill Denethor with dread and despair, such that it taxes his mind. When he thinks Faramir has died he finally loses it and collapses into despair and grief. He wants to burn himself because he thinks there's no hope for men left.

It's a lot more tragic and pitiable than in the movies.

>a hack
>literally made the best trilogy of all time
>revolutionized the fantasy genre to an all different level

Did you see what he did to the Hobbit?

good post user

>Sauron is able to fill Denethor with dread and despair, such that it taxes his mind
>such that it taxes his mind
>taxes

Fuck off with this sacred cow bullshit. Jackson's LotR adaptations are mostly good they're not God's gift to cinema.

PEEEEE FOR YOUR WIVVESSSS

>taxes his mind

Different context. It was doomed from the start

kek, but they are. Current film makers brand it as unfilmable

Fuck

>Sauron has one of the other palantiri, and through the link between them Sauron is able to fill Denethor with dread and despair

it's not even that - Sauron could never beat Denethor in the straight contest of will over Palantir (which says a lot about Denethor - consider how easily Saruman fell) so he had to make sure that Denethor looked at things that filled him despair by putting on a really good show (not to say that he wasn't immensely strong but Denethor probably saw more than there was to Sauron's might)

my adult me kek'd at this
my child me kek'd at this

The real king came through and proved himself worthy of his place and he didn’t even think he deserved it. Beta denethor apologists can fuck off, this was the Chad king and everybody knows it.

lol theoden was so weak they only had to put wormtongue on him so getting him out of his funk was far easier

That’s funny, I remember some beta lighting his dumbass self on fire, and some turbo chad leading a cavalry charge against orcs and only being killed after a demon flying a plane sized snake monster literally threw him across a battlefield while still on horseback.

>not going out by jumping of a cliff while on fire instead of suffocating under your fatass horse for half an hour while a woman and a midget easily defeat the foe who killed you

who's the beta again?

Denethor wasn't a real king though, just a steward right? So it's kind of fitting that he'd not be courageous and a good leader.

The one that didn’t fight anybody, and died a complete failure whose own men did literally nothing even as Gandalf beat the shit out of him and threw him into a burning pyre.

It's somehow even better in the books:

At that sound the bent shape of the king sprang suddenly erect. Tall and proud he seemed again; and rising in his stirrups he cried in a loud voice, more clear than any there had ever heard a mortal man achieve before,

Arise,arise, Riders of Theoden!
Fell deeds awake: fire and slaughter!
spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered,
a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!
Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!

With that he seized a great horn from Guthlaf his banner-bearer and he blew such a blast upon it that it burst asunder. And straightway all horns in the host were lifted up in music, and the blowing of the horns of Rohan in that hour was like a storm upon the plain and a thunder in the mountains.

Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!

Suddenly the king cried to Snowmane and the horse sprang away. Behind him his banner blew in the wind, white horse upon a field of green, but he outpaced it. After him thundered the knights of his house, but he was ever before them. Eomer roder there, the white horsetail on his helm floating in his speed, and the front of the first eored roared like a breaker foaming to the shore, but Theoden could not be outpaced. Fey he seemed, or the battle-fury of his fathers ran like new fire in his veins, and he was borne up on Snowmane like a god of old, even as Orome the Great in the battle of the Valar when the world was young. HIs golden shield was uncovered, and lo! it shone like an image of the Sun, and the grass flamed into green about the white feet of his steed. For morning came, morning and a wind from the sea; and darkness was removed, and the hosts of Mordor wailed, and terror took them, and they fled, and died, and the hoofs of wrath rode over them. And then all the host of Rohan burst into song, and they sang as they slew, for the joy of battle was on them, and the sound of their singing that was fair and terrible came even to the City.

>put wormtongue on him
Saruman literally possessed Theoden. It wasn't just Wormtongue influencing him.

>Be careful of your words, Master Peregrin! This is no time for hobbit pertness. Théoden is a kindly old man. Denethor is of another sort, proud and subtle, a man of far greater lineage and power, though he is not called a king.

>‘He is not as other men of this time, Pippin, and whatever be his descent from father to son, by some chance the blood of Westernesse runs nearly true in him; as it does in his other son, Faramir, and yet did not in Boromir whom he loved best. He has long sight. He can perceive, if he bends his will thither, much of what is passing in the minds of men, even of those that dwell far off. It is difficult to deceive him, and dangerous to try.’

virgin horsebreeder vs Chad Numenorean

>taxes his mind

>So it's kind of fitting that he'd not be courageous and a good leader.

God damn it he WAS. Gondor would have fallen before the council of Elrond even convened if it hadn't been for his excellent leadership. His downfall was supposed to be as tragic as Boromir's. They're both paragons of knightly virtue who tragically succumbed to despair.

Hackson didn't even include this but prior to getting crushed by a pterodactyl Theoden went 1v1 with the standard bearer of Sauron's cavalry and kicked his ass.

LET'S TAKE SOME LSD!

What were the elves and dwarves doing?

What the fuck is their problem?

ABANDON YOUR DUBS! CHECK, CHECK FOR YOUR LIVES

There aren’t a lot of elves left. The Third Age has almost all of them depart, LOTR is very much a magic goes away type story. By the end of LOTR there are almost no elves and at most 2 wizards left active, but we don’t even know if they’re alive or dead or what they’re even doing or why.

>What were the elves and dwarves doing?

Fighting Sauron in the north. Some Dwarves served Sauron and most Elves were just leaving Middle-earth, but Erebor and Lothlorien were fighting against Sauron's fortress in his backup HQ Dol-Guldur.

>most 2 wizards left active, but we don’t even know if they’re alive or dead or what they’re even doing or why

There were three wizards in Middle-earth. Radagast the Brown spend all of his time being a hippie and fucking around in the woods because he decided that being an environmentalist was more important. The two blue wizards were in Rhun where they either died or were corrupted and started magic cults or whatever.

Yeah, I meant by the end LOTR there are at most 2 in some way active. Tolkien flip flopped on whether Rhadagst was a successful wizard or not, and whether he failed at his mission or succeeded at it. Either way he’s not active anymore, and the 2 blue wizards aren’t likely active either. The elves are leaving and there’s no rings or evil overlord anymore. The hobbits will eventually intermingle with humans so much they’ll disappear and I can’t rememebr what the eventual fate of dwarves is.

kek

>Tolkien flip flopped on whether Rhadagst was a successful wizard or not

Not really, he failed. His mission was to help the inhabitants of Middle-earth defeat Sauron. He didn't do that, he spent all of his time talking to trees and birds. That's not why the Valar made him their emissary. Yavanna did not send him to care for nature. The only question as to Radagast's conduct would be whether and when the gods would let him return to Valinor on account of it.

>10-year-old Faramir practising swords in the court
>he hears a commotion in Denethor's halls, curiosity brings him there
>heavy panting coming from the back door behind the throne of Gondor
>young Faramir opens the door two inches and peers inside
>Denethor is standing naked in the back room, surrounded by a circle of 20 muscly and hairy Gondorian soldiers, also naked
>BRING WOOD AND OIL

Their relationship was never the same.

>WOOD
Is it implied that this is referred to the Gondorian soldiers penises?

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clever boy

kek