Tropes you despise

>Empires are all evil
>Kingdoms are all good.

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The Empire is good. The Stormcloaks are not.

Empires conquer, control, and consume. They dominate, they take what is not theirs. They enslave peoples and destroy cultures and stamp out rebellions. I beg for a historical example to the contrary.

These things are typically portrayed as evil, or at the very least 'not good' because these things do not show respect or compassion towards people or the environment. Such is symbolized in the third cakra of kundalini, manipura, which represents the power of consumption, to conquer the outer world, one's winning drive, the impulse to violence. This same force when brought up to cakra 5, vishuddha, is transformed, instead of conquering the outer world, one conquers the inner world. Instead of conquering others, the aim of the meditator is to conquer one's self.

>Comedic relief isn't funny.
>Character that constantly insults someone can't take it when its thrown back.
>Character runs away when not given enough attention to.

>Two or more characters get really sad or mad over some big dumb misunderstanding that could have easily been explained

I hate these so much

>I beg for a historical example to the contrary.
The Persian Empire

>The humor is just "This character is annoying and insufferable"

Leonidas would beg to differ.

Roman Empire created peace for hundreds of years, expanded scientific and philosophical thought beyond anything humanity had ever produced before it, and revolutionized all aspects of society. It brought all of these things to the territories it acquired. Roads, aqueducts, advanced irrigation techniques, medical procedures, construction and engineering unlike anything the Gauls or the Libyans had ever seen before, law and order in previously savage regions. They were without question one of the most beneficial forces in the world at the height of their empire.

>Incite riots within peaceful Persian territories
>Play the victim card when they fight back

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An empire is always evil,but an Imperium never is. For it is provenance of all waht is good and divine. The Emperor protects.

It's the latin lessons really, they aren't worth the aqueducts.
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You don't become an empire by asking nicely.
"Empires are built out of separate units with some kind of diversity – ethnic, national, cultural, religious – and imply at least some inequality between the rulers and the ruled"

The Empire of Brazil.

>tfw it's because USA was founded as anti-imperialist, and it's wet fantasy is to be a kingdom.

Good joke.

None of this stands in contrary.

Hah

>hey guys, those Thalmor pricks have our nuts in a vice. I know we've had our differences, but if we pull together we can surely make a better tomorrow
>FUCK THAT! MUH NORD HERITAGE! FUCKING MERS GET OUT REEEEEEEEE

To this day i regret going Stormcloak my first play though. Buncha Nirn versions of Sup Forums, god damn......

>been reading Horus Heresy novels
>Big E truly wanted a unified, glorious humanity to dominate the stars
>willing to commit genocide/extinction events to do it

Even before things went to shit and everything became a theocratic nightmare, the Imperium was standing on shaky ground. If fucking Erebus hadn't fucked things over with the Interex we might have had a galaxy wide Federation with the Emperor at the helm

Fuck this.

Also, adding to the thread...

>Nothing bad ever happens to characters who are massive cunts
>Responsible sibling is blamed for shit caused by their youger and retarded counterpart

>Whoever is currently holding a deed to a property is the rightful owner

Do yourself a favor and never watch Kamen Rider Faiz.

>The humor is just "This character is fat, gross and farts and burps a lot"

You can joke about how bad the country is today, but back then, it was more prosperous and stabilized than all other Latin American countries.

>it was more prosperous and stabilized than all other Latin American countries.
That is a great achievment. The Brazilian "Empire" was just bunch of landowners with delusions of grandeur.

So, the HRE?

Even worse.

>look at this cute, adorable, wide eyed innocent little animal
>SIKE!!! its a violent maniac and crude and knows kung fu! aren't you suprised by this brilliant subversion of your expectations?!

That is every government. That is literally every government in the history of mankind. Feudalism, capitalism, socialism, communism, fascism, republics...

Every government.

>Governments
>list economic policies

>Empire of Brazil
>Slave-owning, native-killing, Paraguay-warring kingdom
>"Independence" from Portugal was declared by the prince of Portugal

>Male Straight Man
>Resident punching bag

>Female Straight Man (or straight woman, whatever.)
>Completely immune to slapstick.

Now you're just being obtuse.

>the dumbest female character is still smarter than the smartest male character

>Female character's expressions are never allowed to be too exaggerated
>Female of the group is always the boring straightman whose entire personality revolves around rolling her eyes at everything the males do

>Character that constantly insults someone can't take it when its thrown back.
Is this a trope you hate because it annoys you or because it's not a thing in the real world?

>this joke
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At least I know why they do it, kids under 8 think this is absolutely hilarious for some reason.

southern bastards blind mentor

>love triangle

The Republic was more like that than the Empire, that spent most of its time struggling to keep its territory united or end up like all the other Spanish colonies. The Republic was formed by disgruntled landowners after the Empire outlawed slavery. It wouldn't be until Getulio Vargas that the country modernized.

>Slave-owning, native-killing
That was done mostly by the Portuguese colonies. And slavery was outlawed by the Empire.

>Paraguay warring kingdom
Paraguay attacked first and was defeated. They were lucky they weren't annexed and a part of Brazil today.

>"Independence" from Portugal was declared by the prince of Portugal
That went on to become Emperor and the nation itself would never become subject to Portugal.

>Empires conquer, control, and consume. They dominate, they take what is not theirs. They enslave peoples and destroy cultures and stamp out rebellions.

THIS ACTION HAS NOT MY CONSENT.

You can make an Empire that is one of the good guys.

Take the Empire from Warhammer Fantasy Battles. Despite how it's named, it's a federation of provinces ruled by Elector Counts who elect from among themselves a new Emperor. They are not evil, but squabble a lot, yet when shit hits the fan, they unite to fight against a common enemy.

The reason they are so unified is that they were united by Sigmar The Barbarian. The guy who became a patron god for both the aforementioned uniting their barbarian ancestors against the Forces of Chaos, but also for a lot of badass stuff he did.

Compared to it's neighbor, The Kingdom of Bretonnia, the Empire is pretty meritocratic and advanced for a crapsack place, whereas Bretonnia, despite being a mix of Arthurian Britain and Medieval France, is in fact a place of horrid peasant abuse (though it's not because the Bretonnians are evil, but either stupid, incompetent, lazy, not caring, or a combination of all these, yet luckily there are those who do care for their peasants), though I blame it on Medieval Stasis due to Wood Elves and their bullshit.

The same about slavery. Araby and the Dark Elves have slave systems, but the former is one of the good guys, while the latter are massive assholes. Why? Because of how they treat their slaves. Araby has slave rights (after 40 years of work a slave is freed, the children of slaves are considered free people and it's guaranteed by Araby law, and slave owners that abuse their slaves will have their slaves taken away and have the same abuse done on them tenfold). Dark Elves see slaves as either cheap workforce, playthings to torture or sacrifices.

>look at this huge, muscular superhero
>PSYCHE! He's actually an obnoxious asshole and/or fraud!

>red herring is more interesting than the actual answer

Fuck Dr. Horrible so hard, holy shit.

More importantly, fuck Joss Whedon.

>90% of shows shots are done from a sitcom angle
This irks me because animation is a medium where this problem shouldn't even exist. sitcom angle made sense in live action because it was the fastest and cheapest way to shoot.

>Bully is extremely evil and cruel
>They had a bad experience once or they have family issues.
>That completely erases the past transgressions of assault and attempted murder.
This grinds my gears.

>series revolves around a group of people that get along well and are fun to watch
>by the end of the series, most of them are dead

I hate this more for what it does to my heart

Examples?

>Tropes thread
>90% of tropes listed could only apply to action cartoons that haven't aired in several years

>character sees something upsetting on TV
>crashes it in fit of autistic rage

Hitman.

The 70/30 rule annoyed me even when I was a kid.

And compare that to , who's entire underlying philosophy is "humans good, everyone else EXTERMINATUS".

The fact that their Emperor is a full fledged living god only hinders the Imperium. Sigmar's empire is run by normal humans who just happens to be total badasses. Karl Franz is just a dude with a booming voice and a big golden hammer, and yet he's repeatedly held the line against hordes of Greenskins verging on "numberless like grains of sand on a beach" levels. And the rest of the Empire's military are just guys with swords and flintlocks.

40k on the other hand has super human, titanic sized super soldiers, reality warping psykers and mountain sized mechs, not to mention several different means to destroy entire planets if the need ever arises. And barring some galaxy-ending threat and they have no other options, the Imperium NEVER allys with a xeno power, since again, their entire diplomatic policy is "if your not human, we WILL kill you and your entire species"

And yet arguably the daily life of some random schmo in Sigmar's empire is LEAGUES more pleasant than someone living in 40k's Imperium. Yeah, they can get tortured by Dark Elves or god-knows-what by the Beastmen, but at least they don't have to worry about a Black Ship arriving to round you up because MAYBE you're a latent psyker and MAYBE you're a threat to others, so we're gonna take you from your home with an 80% chance we'll sacrifice your very soul to keep the Emperor alive. That is if a hive world gang doesnt kill you or hidden Gene Stealers harvest you for genetic spare parts.

Tl:dr some Empires are better than others, no more evident than WHFB and 40k

What's that?

>The 70/30 rule

Que?

70% males/30% females?

Examples?

Not that user but Power Rangers is an obvious one.

Nearly every cartoon with a group of kids or a team of superheroes. It's not always strictly 70/30, but there's always more males than females, and as such the females usually have some kind of conflated importance.

Yeah, but I used the Empire as just that. An example. I know 40K is much worse than Fantasy in these regards, and that there are settings where the local Empires aren't stereotypical evil ones, but an example is an example. You can have an Empire that is one of the good guys, and you can have Kingdoms that may not be evil (nor good enough) yet pretty incompetent when it comes to every day life (and as I said, it's simply the rulers that are like that towards their subjects).

Makes sense though.
An empire by definition is a state comprised of several nations/people, almost always with people of one nation/people ruling over others, often after violently conquering them. Hence "imperialism".
Couple that with the history of the 2nd half of the 20th century being all about nation-states and self-determination and it's easy to see why empires are seen as antagonistic in the zeitgeist, regardless if they're benevolent or bring progress in some areas.

>let's give our characters sharp weapons!
>in a kids cartoon with no blood and PG violence

Does fucking anyone like this aside from hack writers?

And the Gauls thaught them how to properly forge a sword.

>Despite how it's named, it's a federation of provinces ruled by Elector Counts who elect from among themselves a new Emperor.
Then it's not actually a fucking Empire, dingdong, it's a federation with a title that sounds more grandiose.

Pfff, should have taught them how to brew the magic potion.

It's still an Empire. The Empire of Sigmar. And Sigmar was the first Emperor.

> I beg for a historical example to the contrary.
Mongol Empire

It's not an Empire, it doesn't fit the definition of an Empire. You can call a cat a dog that doesn't make it a dog.
It's like saying France is a kingdom because it used to have a king.

>it's good nature vs evil technology conflict

>Biggest place in the Old World
>Bigger than any human kingdom
>Not an empire

Just because it's not fitting that stupid definition doesn't mean that it's not one.

The mongol horde did that too they just didn't if they didn't have to. Something they had in common with Darius the Second and Cyrus the Great. Both of whom could easily be viewed as despots by the people they ruled.

The word empire used to have a specific meaning back in the day, not like how people today use it. If you ask medieval christians, they would say that there was only ever 1 empire, the Roman empire, broken into two halves, east and west. There was a universality to it, as the emperor of Rome was the rightful secular mortal ruler of the entire mortal universe. Gods repersentative on earth and ruler of Christendom.

>shortsighted
>filled idiots ready to follow the first rabble rouser they find
>authoritarian
>xenophobic
>the guy who they follow and idolize is their enemy's agent and is using them to make it easier for his masters to complete their plans

It fits.

>villain's only motivation is "I want to fuck that bitch"
Frollo is the only time I'd let it slide.

Well, Frollo also wanted to kill all the gypsies. But that's a pretty heroic motivation, so I don't think it counts.

>huge conflict could be solved literally ANY MOMENT if they just talked
>the opposite sides just says sorry without resolving, or even mentioning the actual issue again

>nothing bad ever happens to characters who are massive cunts

I know there are plenty of Sup Forums examples, but NO ONE grinds my fucking gears more than Gina from Brooklyn 99.

What if the villain wants to conquer the realm and take that bitch as his queen?

This is why more protagonists should wield clubs.

Frollo used the church as his excuse to kill and fuck whomever he wanted. He was slime, plain and simple.

>huge conflict could be solved literally ANY MOMENT if they just talked
>the opposite sides just says sorry without resolving, or even mentioning the actual issue again
>even worse when one side was obviously in the right

>nothing bad ever happens to characters who are massive cunts

I know there are plenty of Sup Forums examples, but NO ONE grinds my fucking gears more than Gina from Brooklyn 99.

The worst part is that 90% of the time the writer behind that crap is someone who's only contact with nature is via TV and occasional walk in a local park.

If you kill them, you're just as bad, if not worse as them.

It's somewhat understandable, but the whole Earth/Humans are special" thing can get really overdone. Looking at you GL. Stop bullying the lil blue men.

>Injustice.jpg

Skyrim and Fallout 4 badly needed a No Gods No Masters ending. As well as a conversation-based means of getting everyone to shut the fuck up and get along long enough to shuttle you to the final boss that you can talk into pissing off.

...fuck, New Vegas was great.

We found the Tuff fanboy.

Not Holy, Roman or an empire.

Huh?

They were super rapey.

>character A is dead
>character B travels to the past/alternate timeline where character A is alive and is surprised to see them
>"what's wrong? it's like you've seen a ghost"

Yeah.

Except the Holy Roman Empire was literally the Empire from Warhammer Fantasy, because GW made a fantasy Chinese knockoff of real history since the guys that wrote it were hardcore historians and the only good sculptors on the team at the time. Like Professor Fred and George Weasley.

One of them blew his arm off with a cannon at a reenactment once. He learned to sculpt one-handed, then made this and told everyone King Arthur was going to be in Warhammer and to suck his cock. Then it was so.

Empires are evil. But so are kingdoms, usually.

Tuff Puppy is one of the only times a female straightman was also a slapstick punching bag.

At least putside of Japan anyway. Female slapstick straightman is one of their tropes for villain trios.

Me with my friend now because I made fun of him for having is main OW cucked by the latest patch.

/blog

so your argument is that tyranny and cruelty is an acceptable price for convenience?

>A thing in one form of popular fiction.
>Happens in another form of popular fiction.

>Character that constantly insults someone can't take it when its thrown back.
FUCK Morgana.

>Galactic empires are peaceful and orderly
>Space tribes are barbaric and savage, even though they have interstellar travel

Also
Cal arts style

>boys vs girls episode
>boys become overly sexist even though they weren't before
>girls win