>"...look at this fictional intelligent being that understands language and emotion"
The mean old government white guy is mocked by the film for believing that "Man is made in God's image" (inserting the naive misinterpretation of 'image' as meaning 'physical appearance' instead of mental ideality, having IMAGINATION) because hey lookit here an intelligent, empathetic, understanding fish-man. WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?
Meanwhile, in reality, no such beings exist. Scientists literally spent generations, entire successive careers of study trying to learn how to communicate with primates and couldn't get them to do anything approaching the complexity of our language. The projects were utter failures and embarrassments.
But even though the scientific community has concluded that nothing comes close to the order of human intelligence and creativity, Hollywood is still taking the piss out of us with this theme of "Humans aren't special".
Why?
"Humans aren't special..."
>scientific community of humans has concluded that nothing comes close to the order of human intelligence and creativity
Wow, such an unbiased evaluation must be absolutely correct!
Yeah this is exactly the problem here. Believing fiction over the actual scientific community. You can write the academic community of linguists all the guys who looked at this stuff. They'll be happy to tell you all about it. Email Chomsky if you like it is one of his favorite things to talk about their failures proved his shit right.
Animals can't learn human language, they just don't have the capacity of infinite creative generation as we do. If you believe otherwise than you're anti-science. Living in fantasy land. Informed by your movies and not reality.
you're thinking too literally
Imagine being this worked by based big dimes del Toro.
this is a film, it is not real. Hollywood is not real. Nothing committed to film and shown people is really real. Films are a fantasy, do not base your world outlook upon them. This is not real.
it's fiction
It's almost like you're a dumb twat for inserting real world politics into movies
I don't think I am. Films like "Shape of Water" are essentially morality stories built around disvaluing humans because "these fictional beings are just as special if not more". But in reality no such beings exist. You can only enjoy this movie if you have a masochist streak or have had one programmed into you and you enjoy being confronted with examples where you have to humble yourself, even if they are fictional.
Who even thinks about writing this sort of stuff, honestly? Why does it even cross their minds?
The good guys in Shape of Water are
>mute fish lady
>gay old artist who likes young working-class men
>Jewish Soviet Spy
>literally Aunt Jemima
And bad guy is
>religious, patriotic white guy.
This is a caricature intended to show that 50's America wasn't great at all huh. Using a fantastical construction as 'proof'.
This is textbook ideology guys.
Are we going to ignore, for example, neanderthals, who lived alongside with homo sapiens for centuries before they were either massacred or bred out of existence? It's an old sci-fi trope, humans are 'special' because we actively seek and destroy any species that can potentially rival our specialness in the future. Why do you think everyone is so afraid of AI? Because AI would be more special.
You guys don't understand how life imitates art, huh? You guys don't understand why that's precisely why we can't stop hearing demands for more powerful representations in media of everyone but white males?
Read some freaking Derrida ffs.
lol believing in neanderthals. just another fictional construction.
and no one's afraid of AI because AI is bullshit. More scifi fiction. There's no string of 1s and 0s that makes a consciousness magically appear, just like there's no magical spell for summoning demons.
ffs you guys' worldview is totally corrupted by fiction. you don't understand any of the real philosophy or science behind this shit that evaluates your concepts.
you might wanna tell society
ITT alt-right autists failing to understand the concept of fiction and art
This.
This thread is somehow amazing.
Yeah it is quite easy to understand how life imitates art. And this is precisely why every movie has to have minorities in positions of power, so viewers can identify with and be inspired by representations similar to themselves, and then act on that inspiration in reality.
This isn't complicated stuff, and you have to be pretty full of shit to pretend like it isn't a real phenomenon.
Lefties simultaneously submit:
>minorities aren't successful because there aren't enough movies about successful minorities
>making religious patriotic white men the villain of everything is just fiction and art guys no impact on reality
Can someone explain to me the thematic purpose of Stirckland's rotting fingers?
>the concept of fiction and art
The left lies so pathologically that they now deny that art has any impact on reality. It would be infuriating if it wasn't so pathetic.
You guys are so, so very sad.
Hanabiko "Koko" (born July 4, 1971) is a female western lowland gorilla who is known for having learned a large number of hand signs from a modified version of American Sign Language (ASL).
>lefties
user, its just a dumb ass movie about woman fucking a fishman because Del Taco has obvious monster fetish. Stop letting Sup Forums ruin your fun
>morality stories built around disvaluing humans because "these fictional beings are just as special if not more"
I think you might have skewed the point of the movie, which is surprising given its hamfisted simplistic nature.
The movie is about outsiders finding community with other outsiders, and how the status quo don't view them as complete beings because they aren't status quo.
Fishman being a nonhuman isn't relevant or intergral to the idea they were trying to convey. which is why it's such a boring lame movie. The same story could be given any coat of paint because it'a a basket of cliches just like Avatar.
That picture is really fucking ironic since Sup Forums literally doesn’t consider Jewish peeps white.
So the picture’s very own intent is hypocritical. Weird.
“Are Jews white?”
“NO. But...they’re not allowed to say it!”
Fucks sake man I’ve even seen the claim on this board. Come on guys. At least be fucking consistent.
*tips fedora*
>waah waah, this mobie triggered muh feelings!
lmao
>unbiased evaluation
That's a fact, you're a dumb ass chimp.
>film's creator is preemptively chiding us for not buying into his contrived beastiality fantasy
It's literally all presented in the movie.
The usual damage controlling canard
Yeah and it shows just how misinformed the American public is that you think that Koko's "sign language" was anything significant.
It didn't approach human language at all dude.
Write Chomsky over this. Or any other linguist dept at a decent university if you don't trust Chomsky.
Just look at how all these programs to "teach language to primates" are shut down dude. No one pursues that research anymore because they know it is a DEAD END.
They gave up like 30 years ago. You're decades behind scientific consensus.
>believing in neanderthals. just another fictional construction
I bet you believe dinosaur bones were planted by god to test your faith too
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>concept of fiction and art
>left use fiction and art arguments
make you think
How much of a moron you have to be to make that idiotic reasoning
>fucking a unintentionally racist caricature of how disgusting non-whites are to own the normative bigots
This animals are so smart they are probably mixing concrete for their next sky scraper as we speak
Maybe the status quo is the status quo because the people in the status quo are the best and most efficient at getting done what needs to get done for society to prosper. If that WAS NOT the case, then the status quo would quickly be overthrown by the many millions of public people who vastly outnumber them and could easily remove them from power were their needs not being met.
Maybe the losers are loser because they just suck, because they aren't as good as the people on top in that particular place at that particular time. And maybe we should stop leveling ourselves to feel sympathy for losers.
Maybe we should stop listening to the fantastic propaganda they produce to make us feel sympathetic to their failures. Maybe we ought resist their slave morality.
space cop
Imagine constantly living with this mind state.
Alt-right retards can't do basic HS math and physics and they love preach their pseudo-intellectual beliefs.
>Chomsky
>Knowing anything
>least of all linguistics
he ruined linguistics and set it back about 60 years. Neuroscientists are finally undoing all the retarded shit he forced onto the field and solving all of the intractable problems he set out in the 50s and made zero progress with. Chomsky (because of the inner jew) claimed all language was like some computer program and you just needed to fit all the pieces together. Today it's well accepted language is more like a hilly topography with peaks and valleys of connections and we learn in a very probabilistic and haphazard way.
When he finally dies we can put all of his shitty ideas to bed and completely crack human and near-human AI.
To give you another explanation, Chomsky thought language was a mutation and did not evolve, he literally said God did it because he couldn't find a linear explanation for language capacity. He is a theorist of computer languages and pushed that field in the wrong direction, setting back AI at least AT LEAST for 50 years. Without Chomsky we go with the behaviorists and skinner, and we make curiosity driven computers which learn based on what the user teaches them, instead of the monolithic monstrosities we have today with operating systems and deterministic software.
Decades and decades of going in the wrong direction.
I would argue Chomsky is one of the main reasons we don't have robotics today. Because the software of robotics has to be neural and human like, not programmed and procedural. Could you imagine programming every activity a robot can do by hand? This was literally what they thought a human was back then.
So fuck Chomsky, fuck his politics, but especially fuck this meme that he's a linguist and should stick to linguistics. Linguistics left Chomsky behind a long time ago, he was a hindrance, and only set the human race back with a WRONG idea.
No, I believe you have to be literally insane to find a little chip of bone and pretend like it is evidence for an extinct gigantic reptilian species. All those skeletons you see are dramatic reconstructions built off a tiny little chip, and you're stupid for believing any of it.
Even stupider for believing that there was some other 'special species' called neanderthals that were just like the fictional fishmen, all smart and emotional and language but then mean old humans killed them all.
be sure and hate yourself some more! that's what is important! it is ever so hard to enslave the proud.
off by one
This is a satyrical post, right?
Or this place is really a shithole without hope for redemption?
>fishman literally eats cat
>intelligent, empathetic, language
ok....
lol this moron is completely ignorant, so ignorant like you shouldn't even be alive.
If it weren't for Chomsky, then the society you're living in right now would be a totalitarian Skinner box.
You'd be ruled by people who still believed that you're just a blank slate to be programmed, not an independent being with intrinsic creative potential.
You can thank Chomsky for living in a society that still has a concept of humanity not totally informed by cybernetics. And at the rate you idiots are going you may not have that society much longer.