How bad was the season 4 finale?

I heard a little bit about and from I heard it sounds like Filoni just doesn't give a crap anymore.

>sounds like Filoni just doesn't give a crap anymore
When he's are forced to play second fiddle to a bunch of idiots who are running his favorite franchise into the ground, knowing that he could run circles around them, can you blame him?

It was safe. It connected the entire series open threads and gave all the characters an happy ending. Fitting a show mostly for kids.
Since many hoped for something more dark, they were dissappointed.

I don't like him introducing time travel though. That's a franchise break there.

terrible

At this point the only way to save Star Wars is to pull a Days of Future Past and erase the sequels from the timeline.

I really don't get how they fucked it up so hard. Star Wars after Return of the Jedi should write itself and they had plenty of material to use as examples as what to do and not to do.

They brought back the god damn fucking Space Whales and that was Thrawns fucking downfall.
They didn't kill him and Thrawns current status is unknown,
but other than that I thought the ending was pretty solid, especially the final 2-3 minutes that shit had me screaming.
Zeb takes Kallus to Zeb people planet to show him that his people survive.
Hera fought at Endor and they confirmed the old man in Han Solos squad is Rex.
Hera and Kanan had a son.
Sabine gets a super qt lesbian short cut and turns around to Gandalf Ahsoka so they can depart to go find Ezra in deep space after he left with Thrawn and the Space Whales

Sounds like it creates a lot of problems for the Star Wars timeline and will most likely get covered up by future Star Wars material. It is a shame. TCW were good except for the Ones which were a stupid addition to Star Wars which Lucas was pushing for some reason.

You don't have to create multiple timelines just say that it isn't cannon. Just ignore it like everyone did the The Galaxy of Fear series.

Overall the finale I thought was fine other than lol space whales get rekt Thrawn.
But yeah Ezra used the space whales to hyperjump him and Thrawn to god knows where and that's that.
Show ends post Endor with Sabine and Ahsoka leaving to go find Ezra
queue next show, Filoni.
Oh yeah Ahsoka is Gandalf now.

>Oh yeah Ahsoka is Gandalf now.

Where are the eagles!?

we got them, they're just Space Whales instead.

>Where are the eagles!?
You mean wolves?

Star Wars was always supposed to be fantasy Sci-Fi was just what idiots wanted to see, and the Ones were what George wanted to show them.

Also it was originally George's idea to have Jedi that weren't Luke alive during the OT era.

>“I made Star Wars with George for almost a decade, and then I suddenly had to make it without him,” Filoni said. “It’s a huge responsibility. No matter what I had to do on Clone Wars, I could ask him and count on that as the right thing to do.

>“I believe very strongly that Star Wars has been a cultural phenomenon for more than 40 years because George really knew what he was doing,” Filoni added. “I’m a big believer in his storytelling and his message. And that’s what Rebels passed on to me. I have to try my best to remember what I learned, and pass it on to the crew. It’s a special thing, Star Wars. It’s a limitless galaxy of imagination. Anything is possible there, but there are certain rules that apply.

>“George always pushed it. always pushed it farther than anybody else,” he went on. “He was never afraid to try things and experiment. Everyone else would say, ‘We can’t do this, and we can’t do that.’ He used to say to me, ‘Don’t be afraid.’ And that’s the whole key to this. When you’re afraid, you start to make mistakes, you wall yourself off, you stop listening, you don’t trust other people, you go inward, and you get angry. Then you lash out. That’s all the Dark Side.”

>>“George always pushed it. always pushed it farther than anybody else,” he went on. “He was never afraid to try things and experiment. Everyone else would say, ‘We can’t do this, and we can’t do that.’ He used to say to me, ‘Don’t be afraid.’
This perfectly explains the prequels

>And that’s the whole key to this. When you’re afraid, you start to make mistakes, you wall yourself off, you stop listening, you don’t trust other people, you go inward, and you get angry. Then you lash out. That’s all the Dark Side.”
And the sequels

Cats, Porgs, Horse-things, Foxes, Wolves, Whales, Bendu (whatever it is)...

Why some alien-animals are playing the important role in the bloody Star Wars these days? It looks just wierd

Not everything that came out of George's head was a good idea. The Ones were one of these. Before Disney the majority of Star Wars wasn't created by him.

Please stop using the argument, "This is what George intended all along". Especially when its not true. George never intended to go beyond IV and he didn't have a plan. That's why he allowed other creators to create the history of Star Wars for him and most of them wrote Star Wars like science fiction and not fantasy.

Of course.

That was his problem. George had no sense of how to create realism within his fantasy. The man was an alright director and a terrible script writer. What he was good at was crafting worlds, people and machines. The big picture stuff. If he'd just listened to the people who said:

>You can't do this. This is a bad idea. This won't work

The prequels could have been so much better.

They're also not creative. The Solo poster isn't the only thing Lucas films is plagiarizing.

i wached a couple clips and that cow thing (that got later killed by Thrawn reminded me of Warcraft

>they confirmed the old man in Han Solos squad is Rex.
>Hera and Kanan had a son
nice

Having a time travel portal hub that can only be accessed through what is so far one single location is less franchise breaking than allowing hyperspace exiting/entering in-atmosphere or hyperspace ramming. Time travel is a rare occurrence that few might have the chance to mess with. Fucking with hyperspace has bad implications since it's technology that massive numbers of characters have access to.

Not defending the time travel - it's still fairly dumb - but shit was getting fucked up before then.

The EU was heading down hill before Disney bought it. I find both time travel and ftl ramming to be equally stupid.

if the whole plot is not about time travel in the first place (like in the Back to the Future series) then it's a stupid idea to introduce it in the first place

the EU at its worse is not nearly as bad as Last Jedi

I really liked it.

He was pretty much forced to end the last bastion of actually good SW shit despite it being light-hearted kiddy shit. He took all the good shit he learned from working with Lucas and made a moderately good episodic series. It's really obvious that Disney wanted him to kill off all of their characters so the sequel trilogy could properly have its lol look at those OT failures.

Except in 4 the Force was clearly mystical. So if anything the original "plan" was as fantasy.

The fact that George did not care for the minutia of world building is irrelevant. Star War is fantasy and it's at its best when it stays fantasy. Hell one of the few works of the EU that George genuinely enjoyed was Dark Empire, and how is Palpatine Soul surfing, and having to be trapped in the nexus of the force by the souls of dead Jedi not super fantasy.


I genuinely cannot understand a mindset that prefers a safe placid Sci-Fi instead of straight up quasi-religious magic but set in space.

>Pellaeon enters canon over comm only to be killed in orbit by space whales
I'm glad he didn't stick around to watch the First Order emerge.

So who won the ahsoka vs vader thing?

>the EU at its worse is not nearly as bad as Last Jedi

You really want to fucking go there user?

this didn't ruin Luke Skywalker`s character
and Thrawn was such a great villain that Disney copy-pasted him

>Luuke
Put some effort into it next time

It was a pretty good episode. The show is mostly shit though.

>implying Snoke isn't basically bigger Luuke

I'd say they are both equally bad. They both defeat the point of the original.

Also Luuke really isn't that terrible. Clones were a technology that was known. It would make sense to clone one of the most powerful force users and use him as your own. Makes more sense than Luke becoming a morally grey asshole. The name is retarded though.

>ruin Luke Skywalker`s character
Not that user but most new fans like me never really cared for Luke.

I can't say if his character was ruined but even is that true so what? He's just one character in a whole bloody galaxy.

>Luuuke
>not the torture porn aliens with stupid names

Basically kiddie feel good garbage with tons of dumb plot contrivances and zero tension because da good guys never get hurt.

So ya know par for the course. The show really peaked at the end of season 3. The season 2 and season 3 finales were by far the best episodes.

I can't tell if making thrawns demise an uncertainty was dumb or genius so they could bring him back when Disney stops running the franchise into the ground.

>He's just one character

Why does Vader have red eyes?

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Season 2 > Season 4 > Season 3 > Season 1

i like how the lead character is a big-nosed jew literally named ezra. what were they thinking

>Not that user but most new fans like me never really cared for Luke.

the way how fans reacted to Last Jedi proves you wrong

>Don’t be afraid

>Inter-species breeding is now a thing
Absolutely degenerate.

Did people genuinely think any of these characters would die? It's pretty clear they're going to do another series and bring these characters back as either cameos or side characters, if not as main characters.

Kanan died though.

The whole first part was just a battle sequence. Stormtroopers still cant hit for shit. Governor Pryce is an idiot. The imperials lose again. Thrawns assassin loses again. Ezra is the only making up plans and everyone agrees with him. The rebels take over the Lothal imperial dome and over the intercom the ex-governor claims he is ISB Colonel Yularin (the guy from the death star) to trick the imperials even tho he wasn't on Lothal. Thrawn arrives right before the rebels are about to win. Some stuff happens making you think the imperials might win for once Ezra is separated from the the rest of the group. But due to his aladdin hax power he beats royal guards and a few stormtroopers. The other rebels are in the generator room fighting when Gregor and Hondo's pig sidekick gets shot. Gregor dies but the pig has a comedic fake death scene and survives.The space whales arrive because they are Ezra's best buddies and they only attack the imperials. Ezra and Thrawn being stuck on Thrawns ship get attacked by a star destroyer sized whale but it conveniently only wraps its tentacles around Thrawn. The ship is then sent out into hyperspace by the space kraken. Sabine turns into a dyke. Zeb didn't die.

>pig has a comedic fake death scene
was depressing as fuck with honda telling him they're not heroes, they're filthy expendable pirates

Ya made me feel a little bad too. I just got down re-watching the pirates trilogy over the past 2 weeks and having the character getting shot and then getting the cliche "spin and fall down with you arm out" felt wrong.

It was terrible.

1) I didn't care for them connecting the show to the post return of the jedi sequels story in the ending. If you want to imagine something different happening there you can't do so with this show in tact. All this prevents this show from operating as a prequel.

2) Doubling down on the time travel plotline. I actually liked the previous episodes, and the Mortis storyline. That could be explained as a closed loop, and I defended it as such to others who complained about the time travel. But in this episode Sheev actually said there are infinite possibilities, which means genuine time travel is a part of Star Wars canon now. There are infinite possibilities and timelines, but apparently Rebels has to be tied to just one post-ROTJ storyline because they didn't want it to function as a prequel.

3) What they did with Thrawn. This whole episode's depiction of Thrawn was pretty indefensible. He threatens to kill the civilian population on the planet, beyond that he had no real plan. Thrawn was replaced with his stupid villian other half. To top it off they end his storyline on a weird cliffhanger. Rukh never really amounted to anything in the show.

4) The whole premise of the final battle involving the whales was a cheapshot and poor writing. At least with the season three finale, the Bendu didn't directly help the rebels and he was more of a neutral player, but in this for some inexplicable reason these whales are totally on the side of the rebels, and they give them their victory. This is why the finale of season three was better. Even by the standards of Rebels itself, this finale wasn't even that good.